Permit Needed for Commercial Wildlife Photography in Northwest Territories [Canada]

**RGlasel** · 12-17-2019, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by brewmaster15

*Quads and dirt bikes in the forest*Jet skis in coastal areas and river /lake system

The NWT operates on a very different scale than what most operators of powered recreational equipment are used to. Over half a million square miles and less than 50,000 people (half of whom live in the territory's only city, Yellowknife). Roughly 99% of the territory is inaccessible by road. Other than bears and ravens hanging around garbage dumps, people to animal interactions are extremely rare. Compare that to Yellowstone with 3500 square miles and an average of 3.5 million visitors every year.

**Mikesul** · 12-23-2019, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by normhead

They've now been banned in Algonquin park so at least for me, my worries are over. I still think I should be able to buy a jammer that will crash them if they come near my property, but hey, that's a whole other level of control.

Go for it Norm! Drones in wild areas are a menace.

automorphism · 12-31-2019, 11:49 AM

I fully support requiring permits for this kind of behaviour, especially drones. I honestly hate drones.

But in general, this is no different than requiring a fee for entry into a park. Kakadu NP in Northern Territory, Australia, does that for non-NT residents.

Commercial nature photography is making money off the natural resources of the Northwest Territories, which doesn't have a lot of resources. Requiring a permit helps upkeep of the area and also prevents a ton of people from trampling around and ruining a natural habitat (hey it's happened before that influencers on the internet have ruined a nice place with their mindless posting).

**aslyfox** · 12-31-2019, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by normhead

. . . I still think I should be able to buy a jammer that will crash them if they come near my property, but hey, that's a whole other level of control.

a shot gun might be more sporting

but probably would be illegal for you to destroy such property

**monochrome** · 12-31-2019, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by normhead

They've now been banned in Algonquin park so at least for me, my worries are over. I still think I should be able to buy a jammer that will crash them if they come near my property, but hey, that's a whole other level of control.

12 ga .380 buckshot should do the trick.

bertwert · 12-31-2019, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

12 ga .380 buckshot should do the trick.

I imagine even the cheapest #8 target load would work well enough.

**aslyfox** · 12-31-2019, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

12 ga .380 buckshot should do the trick.

over under or side by side or pump would be best

semi automatic reloader wouldn't be fair

bertwert · 12-31-2019, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by aslyfox

over under or side by side or pump would be best

semi automatic reloader wouldn't be fair

Why shoot clays when you can shoot drones?

swanlefitte · 12-31-2019, 01:29 PM

People have been asking if they can shoot down the drone armada over Colorado.
Growing mystery as unidentified drones spotted in Colorado skies

**monochrome** · 12-31-2019, 01:42 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bertwert

I imagine even the cheapest #8 target load would work well enough.

Yeah probably but wouldn’t be nearly as much fun. Why use m43 when you can use MF?

bertwert · 12-31-2019, 04:17 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

Yeah probably but wouldn’t be nearly as much fun. Why use m43 when you can use MF?

...because I'm cheap... and have a case of target load...
What's the saying, the best ~~camera~~ shot is the one you have on you?

Or for a challenge, get out the .22 and try for the rotors.

**monochrome** · 12-31-2019, 04:37 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bertwert

...because I'm cheap... and have a case of target load...
What's the saying, the best ~~camera~~ shot is the one you have on you?

Or for a challenge, get out the .22 and try for the rotors.

Slingshot and gravel from the neighbor’s landscape bed.

bertwert · 12-31-2019, 04:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

Slingshot and gravel from the neighbor’s landscape bed.

Snowballs.

**barondla** · 01-01-2020, 10:27 PM

Devil's advocate here. While drones and vistors can cause problems, I think the wildlife officials had better tread very carefully with this science. If drones raise an animal's heart rate that much what does their capturing and tagging animals do? Betting it's worse than a drone.
Thanks,
barondla

**Rondec** · 01-02-2020, 03:54 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by barondla

Devil's advocate here. While drones and vistors can cause problems, I think the wildlife officials had better tread very carefully with this science. If drones raise an animal's heart rate that much what does their capturing and tagging animals do? Betting it's worse than a drone.
Thanks,
barondla

I suppose the issue is that one is (hopefully) a one time event while the other could be a more ongoing issue. Personally, if I am going hiking in a national park or some such place, I would prefer to have it drone free. For some reason, having a lot of techie devices floating around spoils the experience -- even if it wouldn't frighten the wildlife.

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12-17-2019, 08:04 AM	#31
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,227	Originally posted by brewmaster15 Quads and dirt bikes in the forestJet skis in coastal areas and river /lake system The NWT operates on a very different scale than what most operators of powered recreational equipment are used to. Over half a million square miles and less than 50,000 people (half of whom live in the territory's only city, Yellowknife). Roughly 99% of the territory is inaccessible by road. Other than bears and ravens hanging around garbage dumps, people to animal interactions are extremely rare. Compare that to Yellowstone with 3500 square miles and an average of 3.5 million visitors every year.

12-23-2019, 08:07 AM	#32
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by normhead They've now been banned in Algonquin park so at least for me, my worries are over. I still think I should be able to buy a jammer that will crash them if they come near my property, but hey, that's a whole other level of control. Go for it Norm! Drones in wild areas are a menace.

12-31-2019, 11:49 AM	#33
automorphism Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Ontario, Canada Photos: Albums Posts: 791	I fully support requiring permits for this kind of behaviour, especially drones. I honestly hate drones. But in general, this is no different than requiring a fee for entry into a park. Kakadu NP in Northern Territory, Australia, does that for non-NT residents. Commercial nature photography is making money off the natural resources of the Northwest Territories, which doesn't have a lot of resources. Requiring a permit helps upkeep of the area and also prevents a ton of people from trampling around and ruining a natural habitat (hey it's happened before that influencers on the internet have ruined a nice place with their mindless posting).

12-31-2019, 12:01 PM	#34
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,581	Originally posted by normhead . . . I still think I should be able to buy a jammer that will crash them if they come near my property, but hey, that's a whole other level of control. a shot gun might be more sporting but probably would be illegal for you to destroy such property

12-31-2019, 12:12 PM	#35
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by normhead They've now been banned in Algonquin park so at least for me, my worries are over. I still think I should be able to buy a jammer that will crash them if they come near my property, but hey, that's a whole other level of control. 12 ga .380 buckshot should do the trick.

12-31-2019, 12:16 PM	#36
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by monochrome 12 ga .380 buckshot should do the trick. I imagine even the cheapest #8 target load would work well enough.

12-31-2019, 12:18 PM	#37
aslyfox Seeker of Knowledge Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Topeka, Kansas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 24,581	Originally posted by monochrome 12 ga .380 buckshot should do the trick. over under or side by side or pump would be best semi automatic reloader wouldn't be fair

12-31-2019, 12:26 PM	#38
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by aslyfox over under or side by side or pump would be best semi automatic reloader wouldn't be fair Why shoot clays when you can shoot drones?

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by bertwert I imagine even the cheapest #8 target load would work well enough. Yeah probably but wouldn’t be nearly as much fun. Why use m43 when you can use MF?

12-31-2019, 04:17 PM - 1 Like	#41
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by monochrome Yeah probably but wouldn’t be nearly as much fun. Why use m43 when you can use MF? ...because I'm cheap... and have a case of target load... What's the saying, the best ~~camera~~ shot is the one you have on you? Or for a challenge, get out the .22 and try for the rotors.

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12-31-2019, 04:37 PM - 1 Like	#42
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by bertwert ...because I'm cheap... and have a case of target load... What's the saying, the best ~~camera~~ shot is the one you have on you? Or for a challenge, get out the .22 and try for the rotors. Slingshot and gravel from the neighbor’s landscape bed.

12-31-2019, 04:44 PM - 1 Like	#43
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by monochrome Slingshot and gravel from the neighbor’s landscape bed. Snowballs.

01-01-2020, 10:27 PM	#44
barondla Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: midwest, United States Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,714	Devil's advocate here. While drones and vistors can cause problems, I think the wildlife officials had better tread very carefully with this science. If drones raise an animal's heart rate that much what does their capturing and tagging animals do? Betting it's worse than a drone. Thanks, barondla

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by barondla Devil's advocate here. While drones and vistors can cause problems, I think the wildlife officials had better tread very carefully with this science. If drones raise an animal's heart rate that much what does their capturing and tagging animals do? Betting it's worse than a drone. Thanks, barondla I suppose the issue is that one is (hopefully) a one time event while the other could be a more ongoing issue. Personally, if I am going hiking in a national park or some such place, I would prefer to have it drone free. For some reason, having a lot of techie devices floating around spoils the experience -- even if it wouldn't frighten the wildlife.