Pentax K-3 II successor on September 2020

**Merv-O** · 05-11-2020, 06:20 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

That sounds like the viewpoint of a videographer.
Most {still} photographers prefect a tilty screen because it stays behind the camera in all positions.
I know I really like the one on my KP.

I like the KP screen as well....SInce I previously stated I use a DSLR for stills and a movie camera for movies, I have no issue with Pentax these days. The AF in the K-1 series is fast enough for me to capture excellent sport images, while th 36mp FF sensor is more than enough for the largest blow ups moat amateurs need. Anyway....

**Serkevan** · 05-12-2020, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by reh321

That sounds like the viewpoint of a videographer.
Most {still} photographers prefect a tilty screen because it stays behind the camera in all positions.
I know I really like the one on my KP.

To me (stills only) the usability goes:
1. Cross-tilt: full 90º for low angle landscape-orientation shots, 45º for high landscape-orientation shots, low/high portrait-orientation shots and those "stretch your camera arm to a side because you're hiking and there's kind of a cliff there so you can't stay behind the camera" situations. It's as all-terrain as the K-1, I've used every feature of the screen

. Being built like a tank is also a reassurance.
2. Tilt screen (KP-like): full 90º for both low and high angle landscape-orientation shots (so it's got one use case where it's better than the cross tilt) but doesn't have portrait-orientation usefulness.
3. Swivel screen (K-70 like): I guess this is the one you mean by fully articulated, but I'm not sure MJKoski means this or the K-1 type (which is also fully articulated if we get technical). This design has the most movement range (90º up and down in both landscape and portrait orientation) and is the best for video (since it allows self-recording) but it has to be flipped out and the swivel makes it frankly inconvenient to hold the camera with the screen pulled out to the side, particularly if you're lifting it overhead with a decently sized lens. Takes longer to set up than either of the others, too (although I don't think it makes a difference in getting the shot or not, you typically don't need the screen for fast reaction snaps).
4. Fixed screen: never again -for me. None of the usability at negligible improvements in durability (has anyone ever broken the articulation on a Pentax?) and barely noticeable decreases in weight/thickness when compared to a tilt screen. The Cross-tilt of the K-1 is certainly heavier and bulkier, though.

Kobayashi.K · 05-12-2020, 04:25 AM - **3 Likes**

So what's the point of joining PentaxForums when you encounter the flippy screen and video zealots everywhere.

**Serkevan** · 05-12-2020, 04:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kobayashi.K

So what's the point of joining PentaxForums when you encounter the flippy screen and video zealots everywhere.

So Pentax cameras should never have any kind of movable screens?
Ricoh Imaging clearly disagreed when the K-1 actually innovated in that regard, though

I mean, if we want to remove features, why even have auto focus.

**Larrymc** · 05-12-2020, 05:10 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Serkevan

So Pentax cameras should never have any kind of movable screens?
Ricoh Imaging clearly disagreed when the K-1 actually innovated in that regard, though

I mean, if we want to remove features, why even have auto focus.

How exactly could a feature be removed if it wasn't there in the first place? I for one will buy the K-New whether it has an articulated screen or not.

**Serkevan** · 05-12-2020, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

How exactly could a feature be removed if it wasn't there in the first place? I for one will buy the K-New whether it has an articulated screen or not.

Removed in the sense of the 645Z, the K-S2, the K-70, the K-1 and the KP all having articulated screens. The K-new would be the only current camera not having one. Which is fine, really, since for the intended audience it's not a feature that is super needed... but then it's also slightly less of a generalist camera. To be clear, it's of course not a deal breaker for the majority of people who are in for it - but let's not pretend it's better for not having the feature.
And yes, I'm very aware that this is armchair discussion for me since I don't usually shoot action, and when I do the K-1 is plenty good... so I wasn't gonna get the K-New regardless

aitrus3 · 05-12-2020, 07:15 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Merv-O

I have a Samsung video camera that is the size of a SIGMA telephoto lens and provides high def video. I carry that in my camera kit case and when the need arises, I take perfectly clean video....I have never used my Pentax kits nor my Leica kits for video. In fact, i am glad that Leica has removed video from some of its cameras because it adds weight and unnecessary complications...cheers.

Generally what I am referring to are the ones who rely on DSLR's for video because they're cheap and they're a "production company" that can't afford a proper video camera.
There is a reason why we have a plethora of out-of-sync audio-video and this is why. Folks thinking that a DSLR has professional features and yet they don't allow you to clock video and audio with one external 'god clock' (as it is referred to in the industry). So to complain about something that, at best, is really only good for home-videos to begin with, is ludicrous. But to outright demand/slag/ridicule/hate on Pentax because of a minor feature that truly doesn't even come close to making it a pro video camera... no words.
Until a DSLR comes out with the ability to externally clock it with true Tri-level Sync...

**csa** · 05-12-2020, 08:04 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Kobayashi.K

So what's the point of joining PentaxForums when you encounter the flippy screen and video zealots everywhere.

This I don't understand. I've been a member for quite sometime, and have not encountered this "everywhere". Only when I'm specifically looking for these two items, do I see it. Certainly far from "everywhere". Besides, I have a K3, and would love to have "the flippy screen"; to add in my photography.

thibs · 05-12-2020, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Removed in the sense of the 645Z, the K-S2, the K-70, the K-1 and the KP all having articulated screens. The K-new would be the only current camera not having one. Which is fine, really, since for the intended audience it's not a feature that is super needed... but then it's also slightly less of a generalist camera. To be clear, it's of course not a deal breaker for the majority of people who are in for it - but let's not pretend it's better for not having the feature.
And yes, I'm very aware that this is armchair discussion for me since I don't usually shoot action, and when I do the K-1 is plenty good... so I wasn't gonna get the K-New regardless

Yes and no, the 645Z has bigger sensor than K-1 which has a bigger sensor than APS range. Do anyone moan because they removed something ? Nope.
Now, this is half tongue in cheek comment as it is deliberately a bit provocative but not really wrong per se either IMO.

thibs · 05-12-2020, 01:29 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by csa

This I don't understand. I've been a member for quite sometime, and have not encountered this "everywhere". Only when I'm specifically looking for these two items, do I see it. Certainly far from "everywhere". Besides, I have a K3, and would love to have "the flippy screen"; to add in my photography.

The (hypothetic) problem is not that you'd like a flippy screen. I would like one but my K-5 is way to old.
It is the (sometimes and it depends from who) constant yes but the screen, if it has no flippy screen booooohaaaa shame on Pentax. This is idiotic as possible.
This extremist behaviour get people on nerves and once someone reasonably say he/she would have like a flippy screen, it guys fed up with the issue will react too sharply.
Culprits probaby on both sides IMO.

This is akin to mirrorless issue though most of those guys did in the end go buy their mirrorless and desert this place which in the end isn't the worst possible ending.

We need to move on on this screen issue and video issue as well btw. It actively poisons News and Rumors threads.

MJKoski · 05-12-2020, 01:49 PM

It is lot more serious than it seems. If the new one does not have any kind of tilting/articulating screen, it means that Ricoh is overriding Pentax ergonomics step by step. Soon they look like big stick with K-mount on top - Theta Max.

Kunzite · 05-12-2020, 02:00 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by MJKoski

It is lot more serious than it seems. If the new one does not have any kind of tilting/articulating screen, it means that Ricoh is overriding Pentax ergonomics step by step. Soon they look like big stick with K-mount on top - Theta Max.

More nonsense.
There are 30 Pentax digital K-mount cameras (DSLRs + the K-01), from which only 6 have some form of articulated screen.
By no means articulated screen can be associated with "Pentax ergonomics".

And the prototype we've seen? Typical Pentax.

**Serkevan** · 05-12-2020, 02:02 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by MJKoski

It is lot more serious than it seems. If the new one does not have any kind of tilting/articulating screen, it means that Ricoh is overriding Pentax ergonomics step by step. Soon they look like big stick with K-mount on top - Theta Max.

Okay, this is far too extreme. While I agree that an articulated screen would be better, it really is no big deal to not have it, particularly for the users who are likely to get this camera (action shooters who will have the eye to the OVF most of the time).

---------- Post added 05-12-20 at 02:05 PM ----------

Originally posted by Kunzite

And the prototype we've seen? Typical Pentax.

Absolutely agreed. The prototype certainly looks like a natural progression on the K-7 platform - it takes some styling cues from the K-1/KP (most notably the prism housing) but it's decidedly a Pentax camera. I doubt the ergonomics will be anything worse than excellent.

thibs · 05-12-2020, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Okay, this is far too extreme. While I agree that an articulated screen would be better, it really is no big deal to not have it, particularly for the users who are likely to get this camera (action shooters who will have the eye to the OVF most of the time).

See you responded to a post showing exactly what I described in my response to csa.

Then someone will argue that Alex (Kunzite) is overreacting. No wonder.

And again, and again...

Kunzite · 05-12-2020, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by thibs

See you responded to a post showing exactly what I described in my response to csa.

Then someone will argue that Alex (Kunzite) is overreacting. No wonder.

And again, and again...

This is precisely the effect a toxic forum member will have on an online community.
But it isn't the normal people's fault, even if we naturally react to this toxicity.

05-12-2020, 01:41 AM	#62
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by reh321 That sounds like the viewpoint of a videographer. Most {still} photographers prefect a tilty screen because it stays behind the camera in all positions. I know I really like the one on my KP. To me (stills only) the usability goes: 1. Cross-tilt: full 90º for low angle landscape-orientation shots, 45º for high landscape-orientation shots, low/high portrait-orientation shots and those "stretch your camera arm to a side because you're hiking and there's kind of a cliff there so you can't stay behind the camera" situations. It's as all-terrain as the K-1, I've used every feature of the screen . Being built like a tank is also a reassurance. 2. Tilt screen (KP-like): full 90º for both low and high angle landscape-orientation shots (so it's got one use case where it's better than the cross tilt) but doesn't have portrait-orientation usefulness. 3. Swivel screen (K-70 like): I guess this is the one you mean by fully articulated, but I'm not sure MJKoski means this or the K-1 type (which is also fully articulated if we get technical). This design has the most movement range (90º up and down in both landscape and portrait orientation) and is the best for video (since it allows self-recording) but it has to be flipped out and the swivel makes it frankly inconvenient to hold the camera with the screen pulled out to the side, particularly if you're lifting it overhead with a decently sized lens. Takes longer to set up than either of the others, too (although I don't think it makes a difference in getting the shot or not, you typically don't need the screen for fast reaction snaps). 4. Fixed screen: never again -for me. None of the usability at negligible improvements in durability (has anyone ever broken the articulation on a Pentax?) and barely noticeable decreases in weight/thickness when compared to a tilt screen. The Cross-tilt of the K-1 is certainly heavier and bulkier, though. Last edited by Serkevan; 05-12-2020 at 01:53 AM.

05-12-2020, 05:37 AM	#66
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Larrymc How exactly could a feature be removed if it wasn't there in the first place? I for one will buy the K-New whether it has an articulated screen or not. Removed in the sense of the 645Z, the K-S2, the K-70, the K-1 and the KP all having articulated screens. The K-new would be the only current camera not having one. Which is fine, really, since for the intended audience it's not a feature that is super needed... but then it's also slightly less of a generalist camera. To be clear, it's of course not a deal breaker for the majority of people who are in for it - but let's not pretend it's better for not having the feature. And yes, I'm very aware that this is armchair discussion for me since I don't usually shoot action, and when I do the K-1 is plenty good... so I wasn't gonna get the K-New regardless Last edited by Serkevan; 05-12-2020 at 05:43 AM.

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05-11-2020, 06:20 PM - 1 Like	#61
Merv-O Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Philadelphia Photos: Albums Posts: 2,098	Originally posted by reh321 That sounds like the viewpoint of a videographer. Most {still} photographers prefect a tilty screen because it stays behind the camera in all positions. I know I really like the one on my KP. I like the KP screen as well....SInce I previously stated I use a DSLR for stills and a movie camera for movies, I have no issue with Pentax these days. The AF in the K-1 series is fast enough for me to capture excellent sport images, while th 36mp FF sensor is more than enough for the largest blow ups moat amateurs need. Anyway....

05-12-2020, 04:25 AM - 3 Likes	#63
Kobayashi.K Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 716	So what's the point of joining PentaxForums when you encounter the flippy screen and video zealots everywhere.

05-12-2020, 04:37 AM - 1 Like	#64
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Kobayashi.K So what's the point of joining PentaxForums when you encounter the flippy screen and video zealots everywhere. So Pentax cameras should never have any kind of movable screens? Ricoh Imaging clearly disagreed when the K-1 actually innovated in that regard, though I mean, if we want to remove features, why even have auto focus.

05-12-2020, 05:10 AM - 1 Like	#65
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by Serkevan So Pentax cameras should never have any kind of movable screens? Ricoh Imaging clearly disagreed when the K-1 actually innovated in that regard, though I mean, if we want to remove features, why even have auto focus. How exactly could a feature be removed if it wasn't there in the first place? I for one will buy the K-New whether it has an articulated screen or not.

05-12-2020, 07:15 AM - 2 Likes	#67
aitrus3 Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Kamloops B.C. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,432	Originally posted by Merv-O I have a Samsung video camera that is the size of a SIGMA telephoto lens and provides high def video. I carry that in my camera kit case and when the need arises, I take perfectly clean video....I have never used my Pentax kits nor my Leica kits for video. In fact, i am glad that Leica has removed video from some of its cameras because it adds weight and unnecessary complications...cheers. Generally what I am referring to are the ones who rely on DSLR's for video because they're cheap and they're a "production company" that can't afford a proper video camera. There is a reason why we have a plethora of out-of-sync audio-video and this is why. Folks thinking that a DSLR has professional features and yet they don't allow you to clock video and audio with one external 'god clock' (as it is referred to in the industry). So to complain about something that, at best, is really only good for home-videos to begin with, is ludicrous. But to outright demand/slag/ridicule/hate on Pentax because of a minor feature that truly doesn't even come close to making it a pro video camera... no words. Until a DSLR comes out with the ability to externally clock it with true Tri-level Sync...

05-12-2020, 08:04 AM - 2 Likes	#68
csa Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Montana mountains Posts: 10,133	Originally posted by Kobayashi.K So what's the point of joining PentaxForums when you encounter the flippy screen and video zealots everywhere. This I don't understand. I've been a member for quite sometime, and have not encountered this "everywhere". Only when I'm specifically looking for these two items, do I see it. Certainly far from "everywhere". Besides, I have a K3, and would love to have "the flippy screen"; to add in my photography.

05-12-2020, 01:23 PM	#69
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Serkevan Removed in the sense of the 645Z, the K-S2, the K-70, the K-1 and the KP all having articulated screens. The K-new would be the only current camera not having one. Which is fine, really, since for the intended audience it's not a feature that is super needed... but then it's also slightly less of a generalist camera. To be clear, it's of course not a deal breaker for the majority of people who are in for it - but let's not pretend it's better for not having the feature. And yes, I'm very aware that this is armchair discussion for me since I don't usually shoot action, and when I do the K-1 is plenty good... so I wasn't gonna get the K-New regardless Yes and no, the 645Z has bigger sensor than K-1 which has a bigger sensor than APS range. Do anyone moan because they removed something ? Nope. Now, this is half tongue in cheek comment as it is deliberately a bit provocative but not really wrong per se either IMO.

05-12-2020, 01:29 PM - 2 Likes	#70
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by csa This I don't understand. I've been a member for quite sometime, and have not encountered this "everywhere". Only when I'm specifically looking for these two items, do I see it. Certainly far from "everywhere". Besides, I have a K3, and would love to have "the flippy screen"; to add in my photography. The (hypothetic) problem is not that you'd like a flippy screen. I would like one but my K-5 is way to old. It is the (sometimes and it depends from who) constant yes but the screen, if it has no flippy screen booooohaaaa shame on Pentax. This is idiotic as possible. This extremist behaviour get people on nerves and once someone reasonably say he/she would have like a flippy screen, it guys fed up with the issue will react too sharply. Culprits probaby on both sides IMO. This is akin to mirrorless issue though most of those guys did in the end go buy their mirrorless and desert this place which in the end isn't the worst possible ending. We need to move on on this screen issue and video issue as well btw. It actively poisons News and Rumors threads.

05-12-2020, 01:49 PM	#71
MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	It is lot more serious than it seems. If the new one does not have any kind of tilting/articulating screen, it means that Ricoh is overriding Pentax ergonomics step by step. Soon they look like big stick with K-mount on top - Theta Max.

05-12-2020, 02:00 PM - 4 Likes	#72
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by MJKoski It is lot more serious than it seems. If the new one does not have any kind of tilting/articulating screen, it means that Ricoh is overriding Pentax ergonomics step by step. Soon they look like big stick with K-mount on top - Theta Max. More nonsense. There are 30 Pentax digital K-mount cameras (DSLRs + the K-01), from which only 6 have some form of articulated screen. By no means articulated screen can be associated with "Pentax ergonomics". And the prototype we've seen? Typical Pentax.

05-12-2020, 02:02 PM - 4 Likes	#73
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by MJKoski It is lot more serious than it seems. If the new one does not have any kind of tilting/articulating screen, it means that Ricoh is overriding Pentax ergonomics step by step. Soon they look like big stick with K-mount on top - Theta Max. Okay, this is far too extreme. While I agree that an articulated screen would be better, it really is no big deal to not have it, particularly for the users who are likely to get this camera (action shooters who will have the eye to the OVF most of the time). ---------- Post added 05-12-20 at 02:05 PM ---------- Originally posted by Kunzite And the prototype we've seen? Typical Pentax. Absolutely agreed. The prototype certainly looks like a natural progression on the K-7 platform - it takes some styling cues from the K-1/KP (most notably the prism housing) but it's decidedly a Pentax camera. I doubt the ergonomics will be anything worse than excellent.

05-12-2020, 02:07 PM	#74
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by Serkevan Okay, this is far too extreme. While I agree that an articulated screen would be better, it really is no big deal to not have it, particularly for the users who are likely to get this camera (action shooters who will have the eye to the OVF most of the time). See you responded to a post showing exactly what I described in my response to csa. Then someone will argue that Alex (Kunzite) is overreacting. No wonder. And again, and again...

05-12-2020, 02:08 PM	#75
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by thibs See you responded to a post showing exactly what I described in my response to csa. Then someone will argue that Alex (Kunzite) is overreacting. No wonder. And again, and again... This is precisely the effect a toxic forum member will have on an online community. But it isn't the normal people's fault, even if we naturally react to this toxicity.