Pentax K-3 II successor on September 2020

**jersey** · 09-04-2020, 11:09 AM

@pqberger - nice find, thanks

I do not mind as much lack of tilting screen, never used one so I do not know what I miss

But I wonder why there is no dedicated Pentax chimney viewfinder, making one mounted on the standard viewfinder should not be that problematic and would solve at least some problems generated by lack of tilting screen.

Breakfastographer · 09-04-2020, 11:25 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Enrique S Toso

Hope is 4k 60p h265 10bit, If not, Im leaving Pentax behind.

Trying to squeeze 4k from a 24 megapixel sensor does not make sense.

**pichaser** · 09-04-2020, 11:49 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pqberger

So the flippy screen debate can rest..... it would have been nice but it's fixed.

Product Stories of New APS-C Vol.3?Wakashiro? | PENTAX official

It is good to find the cow after avoiding the BS . Flippy screen is something I need like a third nostril . Thanks for some definate info sir .

**ThorSanchez** · 09-04-2020, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by normhead

So far, I' can't discern exactly what it's designed for. There's no information on AF, buffer size, the rate at which the buffer clears etc.

They haven't directly said yet, but we can make some reasonable implications from what they've said:

- The videos have talked a good bit about "dynamism" as opposed to field or landscape or portraits

- It has an autofocus joystick

- It has new image processing engine and other guts, presumably for better performance from things like buffer, but also high ISO and autofocus

Ooku has referenced out-doing the D500 multiple times.

Pentax has fairly recently released the 55-300 PLM, and is soon going to release the 16-50 PLM, both very fast focusing lenses.

As an 20-something MP APS-C camera it will have some inherent advantages over full frame in both reach and speed to transfer its smaller files.

We'll know for sure in a few weeks or months, but all of this is pointing towards the most action/sports/birding oriented Pentax ever.

reh321 · 09-04-2020, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by pichaser

It is good to find the cow after avoiding the BS . Flippy screen is something I need like a third nostril . Thanks for some definate info sir .

Speaking from experience, you won’t know you need it until you do need it.

I took a picture over a chain-link fence; I struggled to see the LCD at that angle, until I suddenly remembered that my KP does have a LCD that tilts

**jatrax** · 09-04-2020, 12:17 PM - **5 Likes**

Originally posted by pichaser

It is good to find the cow after avoiding the BS . Flippy screen is something I need like a third nostril .

Agree with @reh321. I derided all forms of flippy screens until I bought the K-1. And then had to eat my own words as I find it quite useful. I generally shoot with both K-3II and K-1II and find myself occasionally missing the flippy screen when I shift to K-3II.

That said, most of the time the K-3II is used in situations where I don't have a need for a flippy screen. And I suspect the K-new will be the same. For me a flippy screen on the K-1II "field camera" is very useful. On a K-3II replacement, at least for my use case, it would be nice but only occasionally. And certainly not worth worrying about.

The only really important thing in all this is that Pentax is releasing a NEW, APS-C, K-MOUNT, FLAGSHIP, camera. Personally I think we should all stop the wailing and gnashing of teeth over little details and just be happy that K-mount lives.

#K-mountlives

**pichaser** · 09-04-2020, 04:13 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

Speaking from experience, you won’t know you need it until you do need it.

I took a picture over a chain-link fence; I struggled to see the LCD at that angle, until I suddenly remembered that my KP does have a LCD that tilts

There are a number of photos that are easier or made possible with moveable LCD without a doubt . Such flexibility is not without great utility for the widest variety of situations .

---------- Post added 09-04-20 at 04:45 PM ----------

Originally posted by jatrax

Agree with @reh321. I derided all forms of flippy screens until I bought the K-1. And then had to eat my own words as I find it quite useful. I generally shoot with both K-3II and K-1II and find myself occasionally missing the flippy screen when I shift to K-3II.

That said, most of the time the K-3II is used in situations where I don't have a need for a flippy screen. And I suspect the K-new will be the same. For me a flippy screen on the K-1II "field camera" is very useful. On a K-3II replacement, at least for my use case, it would be nice but only occasionally. And certainly not worth worrying about.

The only really important thing in all this is that Pentax is releasing a NEW, APS-C, K-MOUNT, FLAGSHIP, camera. Personally I think we should all stop the wailing and gnashing of teeth over little details and just be happy that K-mount lives.

#K-mountlives

I failed to express adequate regard for fellow Pentax users purposes for which I sincerely apologize . Daily photos are submitted to this forum that are amazing and beyond my ability . We can all use a brighter easier to use optical viewfinder but my desire to capture birds in flight or otherwise is not the vision of all other photographers . Pentax can do well without foolish comments from me .

Dr_who · 09-04-2020, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Breakfastographer

Trying to squeeze 4k from a 24 megapixel sensor does not make sense.

Isn't 4k about 8MP?

**Serkevan** · 09-04-2020, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Breakfastographer

Trying to squeeze 4k from a 24 megapixel sensor does not make sense.

Wait, what? A 12 MP sensor can get you 4K (which is typically 3840 × 2160 pixels) and, in fact, is the resolution that Sony chose for their A7Siii (which does 4k120p). Most 4K cameras are around 20-24 MP: A 24 MP camera gets 6000x4000 pixels so there's a good deal of downsampling room. Getting to 60 fps is another story altogether.

---------- Post added 09-04-20 at 05:53 PM ----------

Originally posted by Dr_who

Isn't 4k about 8MP?

Yes but on a 16:9 aspect ratio. On a 3:2 camera you'd need about 10.6 MP (which is still much lower than available).

noelpolar · 09-04-2020, 06:20 PM

For me....this camera has a chance of being connected to my DFA 150-450.... hopefully it has been worth waiting 5 years for.... just needs to nail the stuff Norm outlined..... and maybe a few more pixles would be nice for the fairy wren shots.

**TwoUptons** · 09-04-2020, 07:31 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by normhead

For those of who started with a twin lens reflex and waste level viewfinders, it lets us emulate our first cameras. I guess younger shooters don't have the same level of comfort with that shooting style.

And when the K-1 firmware update let us shoot square pictures, I was very happy (even if I rarely do it).

Though, weirdly, nobody has complained that the K1 square format images in live view are backwards from all the TLRs

-Eric

dbs · 09-04-2020, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by noelpolar

For me....this camera has a chance of being connected to my DFA 150-450.... hopefully it has been worth waiting 5 years for.... just needs to nail the stuff Norm outlined..... and maybe a few more pixles would be nice for the fairy wren shots.

Hi Noel

You just need a punt for the Currency ....... to get closer........... the K new would also be nice,......

Dave
ps .... be down your way in 2 weeks ..... are you in the local camera club ?

reh321 · 09-04-2020, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Speaking from experience, you won’t know you need it until you do need it.

I took a picture over a chain-link fence; I struggled to see the LCD at that angle, until I suddenly remembered that my KP does have a LCD that tilts

I purchased my KP on Black Friday, 2018. After doing some thinking, I found the photos I took over a chain link fence - it was about six months later in May, 2019.
SD-40's at Work - PentaxForums.com
The first two photos were taken with the OVF; the second two are the ones which were taken over my head using LV on the tilting LCD.

noelpolar · 09-05-2020, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by dbs

Hi Noel

You just need a punt for the Currency ....... to get closer........... the K new would also be nice,......

Dave
ps .... be down your way in 2 weeks ..... are you in the local camera club ?

hahah... I'm up your way tomorrow.... van packed and wife and I are heading north. Tried the local club a few years ago.... but turns out I'm not a club kind of guy! It was all mostly competition... and I'm not into photography to compete. What are you doing down this way Dave?

dbs · 09-05-2020, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by noelpolar

hahah... I'm up your way tomorrow.... van packed and wife and I are heading north. Tried the local club a few years ago.... but turns out I'm not a club kind of guy! It was all mostly competition... and I'm not into photography to compete. What are you doing down this way Dave?

Hi Noel

Camera club annual holiday , this time in Goolwa. I just do the holidays and outings work gets in the way for meetings.
Flinders again ?

Dave

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09-04-2020, 11:09 AM	#496
jersey Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: 3City agglomeration Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,057	@pqberger - nice find, thanks I do not mind as much lack of tilting screen, never used one so I do not know what I miss But I wonder why there is no dedicated Pentax chimney viewfinder, making one mounted on the standard viewfinder should not be that problematic and would solve at least some problems generated by lack of tilting screen.

09-04-2020, 11:25 AM - 1 Like	#497
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by Enrique S Toso Hope is 4k 60p h265 10bit, If not, Im leaving Pentax behind. Trying to squeeze 4k from a 24 megapixel sensor does not make sense.

09-04-2020, 11:49 AM - 1 Like	#498
pichaser Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,781	Originally posted by pqberger So the flippy screen debate can rest..... it would have been nice but it's fixed. Product Stories of New APS-C Vol.3?Wakashiro? \| PENTAX official It is good to find the cow after avoiding the BS . Flippy screen is something I need like a third nostril . Thanks for some definate info sir .

09-04-2020, 11:56 AM	#499
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,807	Originally posted by normhead So far, I' can't discern exactly what it's designed for. There's no information on AF, buffer size, the rate at which the buffer clears etc. They haven't directly said yet, but we can make some reasonable implications from what they've said: - The videos have talked a good bit about "dynamism" as opposed to field or landscape or portraits - It has an autofocus joystick - It has new image processing engine and other guts, presumably for better performance from things like buffer, but also high ISO and autofocus Ooku has referenced out-doing the D500 multiple times. Pentax has fairly recently released the 55-300 PLM, and is soon going to release the 16-50 PLM, both very fast focusing lenses. As an 20-something MP APS-C camera it will have some inherent advantages over full frame in both reach and speed to transfer its smaller files. We'll know for sure in a few weeks or months, but all of this is pointing towards the most action/sports/birding oriented Pentax ever.

09-04-2020, 11:57 AM	#500
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,181	Originally posted by pichaser It is good to find the cow after avoiding the BS . Flippy screen is something I need like a third nostril . Thanks for some definate info sir . Speaking from experience, you won’t know you need it until you do need it. I took a picture over a chain-link fence; I struggled to see the LCD at that angle, until I suddenly remembered that my KP does have a LCD that tilts

09-04-2020, 12:17 PM - 5 Likes	#501
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by pichaser It is good to find the cow after avoiding the BS . Flippy screen is something I need like a third nostril . Agree with @reh321. I derided all forms of flippy screens until I bought the K-1. And then had to eat my own words as I find it quite useful. I generally shoot with both K-3II and K-1II and find myself occasionally missing the flippy screen when I shift to K-3II. That said, most of the time the K-3II is used in situations where I don't have a need for a flippy screen. And I suspect the K-new will be the same. For me a flippy screen on the K-1II "field camera" is very useful. On a K-3II replacement, at least for my use case, it would be nice but only occasionally. And certainly not worth worrying about. The only really important thing in all this is that Pentax is releasing a NEW, APS-C, K-MOUNT, FLAGSHIP, camera. Personally I think we should all stop the wailing and gnashing of teeth over little details and just be happy that K-mount lives. #K-mountlives

09-04-2020, 04:13 PM - 2 Likes	#502
pichaser Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,781	Originally posted by reh321 Speaking from experience, you won’t know you need it until you do need it. I took a picture over a chain-link fence; I struggled to see the LCD at that angle, until I suddenly remembered that my KP does have a LCD that tilts There are a number of photos that are easier or made possible with moveable LCD without a doubt . Such flexibility is not without great utility for the widest variety of situations . ---------- Post added 09-04-20 at 04:45 PM ---------- Originally posted by jatrax Agree with @reh321. I derided all forms of flippy screens until I bought the K-1. And then had to eat my own words as I find it quite useful. I generally shoot with both K-3II and K-1II and find myself occasionally missing the flippy screen when I shift to K-3II. That said, most of the time the K-3II is used in situations where I don't have a need for a flippy screen. And I suspect the K-new will be the same. For me a flippy screen on the K-1II "field camera" is very useful. On a K-3II replacement, at least for my use case, it would be nice but only occasionally. And certainly not worth worrying about. The only really important thing in all this is that Pentax is releasing a NEW, APS-C, K-MOUNT, FLAGSHIP, camera. Personally I think we should all stop the wailing and gnashing of teeth over little details and just be happy that K-mount lives. #K-mountlives I failed to express adequate regard for fellow Pentax users purposes for which I sincerely apologize . Daily photos are submitted to this forum that are amazing and beyond my ability . We can all use a brighter easier to use optical viewfinder but my desire to capture birds in flight or otherwise is not the vision of all other photographers . Pentax can do well without foolish comments from me .

09-04-2020, 05:47 PM	#503
Dr_who Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 777	Originally posted by Breakfastographer Trying to squeeze 4k from a 24 megapixel sensor does not make sense. Isn't 4k about 8MP?

09-04-2020, 05:51 PM	#504
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Breakfastographer Trying to squeeze 4k from a 24 megapixel sensor does not make sense. Wait, what? A 12 MP sensor can get you 4K (which is typically 3840 × 2160 pixels) and, in fact, is the resolution that Sony chose for their A7Siii (which does 4k120p). Most 4K cameras are around 20-24 MP: A 24 MP camera gets 6000x4000 pixels so there's a good deal of downsampling room. Getting to 60 fps is another story altogether. ---------- Post added 09-04-20 at 05:53 PM ---------- Originally posted by Dr_who Isn't 4k about 8MP? Yes but on a 16:9 aspect ratio. On a 3:2 camera you'd need about 10.6 MP (which is still much lower than available).

09-04-2020, 06:20 PM	#505
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	For me....this camera has a chance of being connected to my DFA 150-450.... hopefully it has been worth waiting 5 years for.... just needs to nail the stuff Norm outlined..... and maybe a few more pixles would be nice for the fairy wren shots.

09-04-2020, 07:31 PM - 2 Likes	#506
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,223	Originally posted by normhead For those of who started with a twin lens reflex and waste level viewfinders, it lets us emulate our first cameras. I guess younger shooters don't have the same level of comfort with that shooting style. And when the K-1 firmware update let us shoot square pictures, I was very happy (even if I rarely do it). Though, weirdly, nobody has complained that the K1 square format images in live view are backwards from all the TLRs -Eric

09-04-2020, 07:36 PM	#507
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,564	Originally posted by noelpolar For me....this camera has a chance of being connected to my DFA 150-450.... hopefully it has been worth waiting 5 years for.... just needs to nail the stuff Norm outlined..... and maybe a few more pixles would be nice for the fairy wren shots. Hi Noel You just need a punt for the Currency ....... to get closer........... the K new would also be nice,...... Dave ps .... be down your way in 2 weeks ..... are you in the local camera club ?

09-04-2020, 08:24 PM	#508
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,181	Originally posted by reh321 Speaking from experience, you won’t know you need it until you do need it. I took a picture over a chain-link fence; I struggled to see the LCD at that angle, until I suddenly remembered that my KP does have a LCD that tilts I purchased my KP on Black Friday, 2018. After doing some thinking, I found the photos I took over a chain link fence - it was about six months later in May, 2019. SD-40's at Work - PentaxForums.com The first two photos were taken with the OVF; the second two are the ones which were taken over my head using LV on the tilting LCD.

09-05-2020, 12:28 AM	#509
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by dbs Hi Noel You just need a punt for the Currency ....... to get closer........... the K new would also be nice,...... Dave ps .... be down your way in 2 weeks ..... are you in the local camera club ? hahah... I'm up your way tomorrow.... van packed and wife and I are heading north. Tried the local club a few years ago.... but turns out I'm not a club kind of guy! It was all mostly competition... and I'm not into photography to compete. What are you doing down this way Dave?

09-05-2020, 02:17 AM	#510
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,564	Originally posted by noelpolar hahah... I'm up your way tomorrow.... van packed and wife and I are heading north. Tried the local club a few years ago.... but turns out I'm not a club kind of guy! It was all mostly competition... and I'm not into photography to compete. What are you doing down this way Dave? Hi Noel Camera club annual holiday , this time in Goolwa. I just do the holidays and outings work gets in the way for meetings. Flinders again ? Dave