Pentax K-3 II successor on September 2020

noelpolar · 09-05-2020, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by dbs

Hi Noel

Camera club annual holiday , this time in Goolwa. I just do the holidays and outings work gets in the way for meetings.
Flinders again ?

Dave

Cool.... might be back in 2 -3 weeks.... how long are you going to be here?

dbs · 09-05-2020, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by noelpolar

Cool.... might be back in 2 -3 weeks.... how long are you going to be here?

Hi Noel

Fri 18 th - Mon 21 st. staying at the Goolwa camping & tourist park.
If Clare is on your route we can meet for a coffee tomorrow ( do you still have my mobile number )
On topic the K new is a possible.

Dave

RobG · 09-05-2020, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Flubber

I second that. I've got insane GAS for this camera.

I think there's medicine for that?

Flubber · 09-05-2020, 07:45 AM - **6 Likes**

I've got a prescription for a K-new, but there are none in stock.

**joehenryd** · 09-05-2020, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by jersey

@pqberger - nice find, thanks

I do not mind as much lack of tilting screen, never used one so I do not know what I miss

But I wonder why there is no dedicated Pentax chimney viewfinder, making one mounted on the standard viewfinder should not be that problematic and would solve at least some problems generated by lack of tilting screen.

You mean some thing like this:
Ziv Right Angle Viewfinder for Select Nikon, Canon, Leica, RAVF I have a Pentax one from my film days. Joe

normhead · 09-05-2020, 09:10 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by joehenryd

You mean some thing like this:
Ziv Right Angle Viewfinder for Select Nikon, Canon, Leica, RAVF I have a Pentax one from my film days. Joe

I have the Pentax version, I haven't used it since I got the K-1 and the wild screen. The tilt screen is a much more elegant solution.

Mike.P® · 09-05-2020, 10:00 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

I have the Pentax version, I haven't used it since I got the K-1 and the wild screen. The tilt screen is a much more elegant solution.

Especially when trying to get an overhead shot

Breakfastographer · 09-05-2020, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Wait, what? A 12 MP sensor can get you 4K (which is typically 3840 × 2160 pixels) and, in fact, is the resolution that Sony chose for their A7Siii (which does 4k120p). Most 4K cameras are around 20-24 MP: A 24 MP camera gets 6000x4000 pixels so there's a good deal of downsampling room. Getting to 60 fps is another story altogether.

---------- Post added 09-04-20 at 05:53 PM ----------

Yes but on a 16:9 aspect ratio. On a 3:2 camera you'd need about 10.6 MP (which is still much lower than available).

Only if we ignore demosaicking. To reach uninterpolated 4k, assuming your sensor is 3:2, you need about 40 megapixels in Bayer-land.

normhead · 09-05-2020, 11:56 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Breakfastographer

Only if we ignore demosaicking. To reach uninterpolated 4k, assuming your sensor is 3:2, you need about 40 megapixels in Bayer-land.

But why would you do that? What's in it for us?

The difference between Bayer and and Pixel shift is rarely even noticeable, and almost never noticeable without direct comparison.... Bayer is pretty good.

**Serkevan** · 09-05-2020, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Breakfastographer

Only if we ignore demosaicking. To reach uninterpolated 4k, assuming your sensor is 3:2, you need about 40 megapixels in Bayer-land.

True, but that's not stopping people from making very good looking videos with 20 MP cameras. Most people won't notice the difference and those who do should buy an Ursa.

---------- Post added 09-05-20 at 12:07 PM ----------

Originally posted by normhead

But why would you do that? What's in it for us?

The difference between Bayer and and Pixel shift is rarely even noticeable, and almost never noticeable without direct comparison.... Bayer is pretty good.

Yeah, IME Pixel Shift is noticeable mostly for fine patterns, but I barely ever use it because I don't quite shoot anything that needs such level of detail... I think the only time I used a pixel shift image was some macro shot at work because my highest mag lens is 0.5x and wanted the extra oomph. The Bayer pattern works fairly well honestly, the Leica Monochrom has some more resolving power but it isn't that much of an improvement over, say, the D850.

Breakfastographer · 09-05-2020, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

True, but that's not stopping people from making very good looking videos with 20 MP cameras. Most people won't notice the difference and those who do should buy an Ursa.

Yes, the Ursa Mini Pro 12K will get you there.

Breakfastographer · 09-05-2020, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by normhead

But why would you do that? What's in it for us?

The difference between Bayer and and Pixel shift is rarely even noticeable, and almost never noticeable without direct comparison.... Bayer is pretty good.

I think you may have just made my point for me - Bayer is sort of the equivalent of scaling PS down and back up again. Or, if that's an easier path, PS is a bit like scaling down from a higher Bayer resolution.

The longer version of my reply is, fortunately or unfortunately, in the process of turning in to an article, not to be finished tonight, it seems.

**jersey** · 09-06-2020, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by joehenryd

You mean some thing like this:
Ziv Right Angle Viewfinder for Select Nikon, Canon, Leica, RAVF I have a Pentax one from my film days. Joe

Yes, sometging like this, but made by Pentax. Idealy it would replacement for pentaprism mounted on top of camera, but price would be overwhelming. So such add on is also ok. Cameras have also USB and HDMI ports so making a secondary screen (even weatherproof) for those who need it should not be an issue too. Or something what Sony does with their newest smartphones - ability to see the camera image on phone screen. But well, I am happy that we will get new APS-C even without all this stuff.

bencoskater · 09-15-2020, 06:46 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Winder

It's going to be a great camera. The only question mark is going to be the autofocus.

I wrote something there: Patents possibly linked to the APS-C flagship - Page 4 - PentaxForums.com

sindbad1 · 09-16-2020, 09:44 AM - **1 Like**

Product Stories of New APS-C Vol.3?Wakashiro? | PENTAX official

Quote: " ... ... " That’s why PENTAX decided to equip this new camera with a fixed-type 3.2-inch monitor. ..."

Incredible. This means that the camera is not easy to use near the ground or on the copy stand. How could Ricoh make such a stupid decision?

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09-05-2020, 02:51 AM	#511
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by dbs Hi Noel Camera club annual holiday , this time in Goolwa. I just do the holidays and outings work gets in the way for meetings. Flinders again ? Dave Cool.... might be back in 2 -3 weeks.... how long are you going to be here?

09-05-2020, 03:09 AM	#512
dbs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Clare Valley S A Photos: Albums Posts: 7,560	Originally posted by noelpolar Cool.... might be back in 2 -3 weeks.... how long are you going to be here? Hi Noel Fri 18 th - Mon 21 st. staying at the Goolwa camping & tourist park. If Clare is on your route we can meet for a coffee tomorrow ( do you still have my mobile number ) On topic the K new is a possible. Dave

09-05-2020, 07:38 AM	#513
RobG Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canberra Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,881	Originally posted by Flubber I second that. I've got insane GAS for this camera. I think there's medicine for that?

09-05-2020, 07:45 AM - 6 Likes	#514
Flubber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 150	I've got a prescription for a K-new, but there are none in stock.

09-05-2020, 08:53 AM	#515
joehenryd Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2017 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 216	Originally posted by jersey @pqberger - nice find, thanks I do not mind as much lack of tilting screen, never used one so I do not know what I miss But I wonder why there is no dedicated Pentax chimney viewfinder, making one mounted on the standard viewfinder should not be that problematic and would solve at least some problems generated by lack of tilting screen. You mean some thing like this: Ziv Right Angle Viewfinder for Select Nikon, Canon, Leica, RAVF I have a Pentax one from my film days. Joe

09-05-2020, 09:10 AM - 3 Likes	#516
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,448	Originally posted by joehenryd You mean some thing like this: Ziv Right Angle Viewfinder for Select Nikon, Canon, Leica, RAVF I have a Pentax one from my film days. Joe I have the Pentax version, I haven't used it since I got the K-1 and the wild screen. The tilt screen is a much more elegant solution.

09-05-2020, 10:00 AM - 1 Like	#517
Mike.P® Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Milton, Hampshire, UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,154	Originally posted by normhead I have the Pentax version, I haven't used it since I got the K-1 and the wild screen. The tilt screen is a much more elegant solution. Especially when trying to get an overhead shot

09-05-2020, 11:24 AM	#518
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by Serkevan Wait, what? A 12 MP sensor can get you 4K (which is typically 3840 × 2160 pixels) and, in fact, is the resolution that Sony chose for their A7Siii (which does 4k120p). Most 4K cameras are around 20-24 MP: A 24 MP camera gets 6000x4000 pixels so there's a good deal of downsampling room. Getting to 60 fps is another story altogether. ---------- Post added 09-04-20 at 05:53 PM ---------- Yes but on a 16:9 aspect ratio. On a 3:2 camera you'd need about 10.6 MP (which is still much lower than available). Only if we ignore demosaicking. To reach uninterpolated 4k, assuming your sensor is 3:2, you need about 40 megapixels in Bayer-land.

09-05-2020, 11:56 AM - 1 Like	#519
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,448	Originally posted by Breakfastographer Only if we ignore demosaicking. To reach uninterpolated 4k, assuming your sensor is 3:2, you need about 40 megapixels in Bayer-land. But why would you do that? What's in it for us? The difference between Bayer and and Pixel shift is rarely even noticeable, and almost never noticeable without direct comparison.... Bayer is pretty good.

09-05-2020, 12:03 PM	#520
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Breakfastographer Only if we ignore demosaicking. To reach uninterpolated 4k, assuming your sensor is 3:2, you need about 40 megapixels in Bayer-land. True, but that's not stopping people from making very good looking videos with 20 MP cameras. Most people won't notice the difference and those who do should buy an Ursa. ---------- Post added 09-05-20 at 12:07 PM ---------- Originally posted by normhead But why would you do that? What's in it for us? The difference between Bayer and and Pixel shift is rarely even noticeable, and almost never noticeable without direct comparison.... Bayer is pretty good. Yeah, IME Pixel Shift is noticeable mostly for fine patterns, but I barely ever use it because I don't quite shoot anything that needs such level of detail... I think the only time I used a pixel shift image was some macro shot at work because my highest mag lens is 0.5x and wanted the extra oomph. The Bayer pattern works fairly well honestly, the Leica Monochrom has some more resolving power but it isn't that much of an improvement over, say, the D850.

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09-05-2020, 01:02 PM	#521
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by Serkevan True, but that's not stopping people from making very good looking videos with 20 MP cameras. Most people won't notice the difference and those who do should buy an Ursa. Yes, the Ursa Mini Pro 12K will get you there.

09-05-2020, 03:20 PM	#522
Breakfastographer Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 673	Originally posted by normhead But why would you do that? What's in it for us? The difference between Bayer and and Pixel shift is rarely even noticeable, and almost never noticeable without direct comparison.... Bayer is pretty good. I think you may have just made my point for me - Bayer is sort of the equivalent of scaling PS down and back up again. Or, if that's an easier path, PS is a bit like scaling down from a higher Bayer resolution. The longer version of my reply is, fortunately or unfortunately, in the process of turning in to an article, not to be finished tonight, it seems.

09-06-2020, 12:35 AM	#523
jersey Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: 3City agglomeration Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,054	Originally posted by joehenryd You mean some thing like this: Ziv Right Angle Viewfinder for Select Nikon, Canon, Leica, RAVF I have a Pentax one from my film days. Joe Yes, sometging like this, but made by Pentax. Idealy it would replacement for pentaprism mounted on top of camera, but price would be overwhelming. So such add on is also ok. Cameras have also USB and HDMI ports so making a secondary screen (even weatherproof) for those who need it should not be an issue too. Or something what Sony does with their newest smartphones - ability to see the camera image on phone screen. But well, I am happy that we will get new APS-C even without all this stuff.

09-15-2020, 06:46 PM - 2 Likes	#524
bencoskater Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 90	Originally posted by Winder It's going to be a great camera. The only question mark is going to be the autofocus. I wrote something there: Patents possibly linked to the APS-C flagship - Page 4 - PentaxForums.com

09-16-2020, 09:44 AM - 1 Like	#525
sindbad1 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 89	Product Stories of New APS-C Vol.3?Wakashiro? \| PENTAX official Quote: " ... ... " That’s why PENTAX decided to equip this new camera with a fixed-type 3.2-inch monitor. ..." Incredible. This means that the camera is not easy to use near the ground or on the copy stand. How could Ricoh make such a stupid decision?