Pentax said in video it would use new gen apsc sensor

**Erictator** · 07-26-2020, 03:06 PM

So this new 43mp Sony sensor linked below was leaked in Feb, is it too new to be in the plans, or could this be "The One"? Is it even for real? Or do you think Ricoh will go lower resolution in deference of speed like some of the 20mp competition?

New Sony APS-C sensor delivers 43MP and 8K 12-bit video?*if it's real | Digital Camera World

Edit, if watching the part 2 Ricoh video with English subtitles it is said at the 10minute 28 second mark, just for reference:

"To improve the image quality, we equipped the camera with brand new components, including the image sensor, image engine and accelerator unit. All of these components were newly designed and developed for this camera"

That is some pretty specific language right there... got me a little excited, any one else? He did say "To improve the image quality" not to improve the speed, so I am guessing either a latest generation 24mp sensor, or something new like the linked 43mp... not something smaller like the 20mp sensor in some of the competition.

If this thread is inappropriate the moderators can feel free to delete, no hard feelings, just having fun and genuinely curious.
Eric

Last edited by Erictator; 07-26-2020 at 03:35 PM.

**Pentax Syntax** · 07-26-2020, 03:13 PM

Interesting guess. Usually we can look to Nikon and Sony to see what they have used in their cameras. Maybe the K-new will buck that trend.

**ramseybuckeye** · 07-26-2020, 03:44 PM - **1 Like**

Maybe it’s not even a Sony

**RedBoomer** · 07-26-2020, 03:51 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Erictator

So this new 43mp Sony sensor linked below was leaked in Feb, is it too new to be in the plans, or could this be "The One"? Is it even for real? Or do you think Ricoh will go lower resolution in deference of speed like some of the 20mp competition?

New Sony APS-C sensor delivers 43MP and 8K 12-bit video?*if it's real | Digital Camera World

Edit, if watching the part 2 Ricoh video with English subtitles it is said at the 10minute 28 second mark, just for reference:

"To improve the image quality, we equipped the camera with brand new components, including the image sensor, image engine and accelerator unit. All of these components were newly designed and developed for this camera"

That is some pretty specific language right there... got me a little excited, any one else? He did say "To improve the image quality" not to improve the speed, so I am guessing either a latest generation 24mp sensor, or something new like the linked 43mp... not something smaller like the 20mp sensor in some of the competition.

If this thread is inappropriate the moderators can feel free to delete, no hard feelings, just having fun and genuinely curious.
Eric

It's hard to imagine how an APSC sensor packed with 43MP could have better Image Quality than one with 24-30MP??
And it's easy to imagine a host of processing problems, and expense, trying to deal with 43MP of data?
So a 43MP sensor is unlikely to materialize in my book.

**monochrome** · 07-26-2020, 04:02 PM - **1 Like**

Pentax is designing in-house lenses for much higher resolution than is available on current generation sensors. I believe we are in a trasnition where Pentax intends to leap to the forefront with an entirely new architecture rather than continue to incremental improve the old technology. Subsequent bodies (FF, 645) will improve on these advances, so a series of dramatic improevements. This statement gives some credence to my belief.

I believe they are only telling us some of the changes. What does new imaging engine mean? What does a new Accelerator Unit do? What changes to AF (we pretty much know they have a new AF sensor). Would they do all this and not improve throughput? Will they abandon Socionext (new Imaging engine)? Will the sensor choice allow better video?

Unfortunately there are more questions now, not fewer.

**alfa75ts** · 07-26-2020, 04:13 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Erictator

Edit, if watching the part 2 Ricoh video with English subtitles it is said at the 10minute 28 second mark, just for reference:

It also goes on to say:

"In terms of numerical figures, such as the number of total recording pixels, you can pretty much expect what the camera's APS-C-format sensor can do.

This image-processing unit, however, has been advanced to such a level that you can expect greatly improved image quality, even at sensitivity as low as ISO 100."

Originally posted by Erictator

All of these components were newly designed and developed for this camera"

If you are correct and if this referred to the sensor then the new 43mp Sony sensor must have been developed for Pentax. I find that unlikely.

**Serkevan** · 07-26-2020, 04:53 PM

One thing is that in the other thread people have apparently assumed that "image processor" and "improved IQ at ISO 100" means the Accelerator will work from base ISO. I just took it as a faster, more efficient PRIME than what is found in the previous cameras. That can mean anywhere from improved sharpening algorithms to better colour reproduction to faster buffer clearing, I guess.

Let's wait and see, it won't be long.

Paul the Sunman · 07-26-2020, 06:39 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Erictator

"To improve the image quality, we equipped the camera with brand new components, including the image sensor, image engine and accelerator unit. All of these components were newly designed and developed for this camera"

I'm not sure I would want 43mp on APS-C!

Irrespective of the mp count, I find it very surprising that any sensor has been "newly designed and developed for this camera". Pentax has always taken existing sensors in the past and tweaked them to their own liking (with great success).

**RGlasel** · 07-26-2020, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by alfa75ts

It also goes on to say:"In terms of numerical figures, such as the number of total recording pixels, you can pretty much expect what the camera's APS-C-format sensor can do.This image-processing unit, however, has been advanced to such a level that you can expect greatly improved image quality, even at sensitivity as low as ISO 100."

You are quite correct and I'm sure there was a reason why this was referred to specifically in answering a very general question.

**hjoseph7** · 07-26-2020, 08:27 PM - **3 Likes**

No more Mega Pixels please...

**UncleVanya** · 07-26-2020, 08:39 PM - **2 Likes**

I'm of the opinion, that a sensor just revealed in February is far too new to be in the new body. But I have no direct insight.

**ben-pentax** · 07-26-2020, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Pentax Syntax

Usually we can look to Nikon and Sony to see what they have used in their cameras. Maybe the K-new will buck that trend.

Seems that with that camera, Ricoh is trying something that has not been done by Pentax for a long time - leading also with specs. I do believe the Knew will buck the trend, but I don't believe a brand new 2020 sensor will be used. Probably the sensor had to be decided on long before.

GordonZA · 07-26-2020, 10:11 PM - **1 Like**

Has anyone else noticed that card slot 1 on the K new is wider towards the top and narrows at the bottom?

Could this slot possibly accept two card types, SD and CFExpress type A slot?

thibs · 07-26-2020, 10:15 PM - **1 Like**

24-28 Mp IMO.

stevebrot · 07-26-2020, 10:18 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by GordonZA

Has anyone else noticed that card slot 1 on the K new is wider towards the top and narrows at the bottom?

Could this slot possibly accept two card types, SD and CFExpress type A slot?

It looks just like the #2 slot on my K-3 when viewed from the same angle. The body contour is getting in the way. What I would note is that the designations are reversed. On the K-3, the #1 is towards the front and the #2 towards the back.

Originally posted by thibs

24-28 Mp IMO.

Agreed.

Steve

07-26-2020, 04:02 PM - 1 Like	#5
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Pentax is designing in-house lenses for much higher resolution than is available on current generation sensors. I believe we are in a trasnition where Pentax intends to leap to the forefront with an entirely new architecture rather than continue to incremental improve the old technology. Subsequent bodies (FF, 645) will improve on these advances, so a series of dramatic improevements. This statement gives some credence to my belief. I believe they are only telling us some of the changes. What does new imaging engine mean? What does a new Accelerator Unit do? What changes to AF (we pretty much know they have a new AF sensor). Would they do all this and not improve throughput? Will they abandon Socionext (new Imaging engine)? Will the sensor choice allow better video? Unfortunately there are more questions now, not fewer. Last edited by monochrome; 07-26-2020 at 04:07 PM.

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07-26-2020, 03:06 PM	#1
Erictator Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,344	Pentax said in video it would use new gen apsc sensor So this new 43mp Sony sensor linked below was leaked in Feb, is it too new to be in the plans, or could this be "The One"? Is it even for real? Or do you think Ricoh will go lower resolution in deference of speed like some of the 20mp competition? New Sony APS-C sensor delivers 43MP and 8K 12-bit video?if it's real \| Digital Camera World Edit,* if watching the part 2 Ricoh video with English subtitles it is said at the 10minute 28 second mark, just for reference: "To improve the image quality, we equipped the camera with brand new components, *including the image sensor,* image engine and accelerator unit. All of these components were newly designed and developed for this camera" That is some pretty specific language right there... got me a little excited, any one else? He did say "To improve the image quality" not to improve the speed, so I am guessing either a latest generation 24mp sensor, or something new like the linked 43mp... not something smaller like the 20mp sensor in some of the competition. If this thread is inappropriate the moderators can feel free to delete, no hard feelings, just having fun and genuinely curious. Eric Last edited by Erictator; 07-26-2020 at 03:35 PM.

07-26-2020, 03:13 PM	#2
Pentax Syntax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 595	Interesting guess. Usually we can look to Nikon and Sony to see what they have used in their cameras. Maybe the K-new will buck that trend.

07-26-2020, 03:44 PM - 1 Like	#3
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,291	Maybe it’s not even a Sony

07-26-2020, 03:51 PM - 2 Likes	#4
RedBoomer Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 148	Originally posted by Erictator So this new 43mp Sony sensor linked below was leaked in Feb, is it too new to be in the plans, or could this be "The One"? Is it even for real? Or do you think Ricoh will go lower resolution in deference of speed like some of the 20mp competition? New Sony APS-C sensor delivers 43MP and 8K 12-bit video?if it's real \| Digital Camera World Edit,* if watching the part 2 Ricoh video with English subtitles it is said at the 10minute 28 second mark, just for reference: "To improve the image quality, we equipped the camera with brand new components, *including the image sensor,* image engine and accelerator unit. All of these components were newly designed and developed for this camera" That is some pretty specific language right there... got me a little excited, any one else? He did say "To improve the image quality" not to improve the speed, so I am guessing either a latest generation 24mp sensor, or something new like the linked 43mp... not something smaller like the 20mp sensor in some of the competition. If this thread is inappropriate the moderators can feel free to delete, no hard feelings, just having fun and genuinely curious. Eric It's hard to imagine how an APSC sensor packed with 43MP could have better Image Quality than one with 24-30MP?? And it's easy to imagine a host of processing problems, and expense, trying to deal with 43MP of data? So a 43MP sensor is unlikely to materialize in my book.

07-26-2020, 04:13 PM - 3 Likes	#6
alfa75ts Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Melbourne Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,356	Originally posted by Erictator Edit, if watching the part 2 Ricoh video with English subtitles it is said at the 10minute 28 second mark, just for reference: It also goes on to say: "In terms of numerical figures, such as the number of total recording pixels, you can pretty much expect what the camera's APS-C-format sensor can do. This image-processing unit, however, has been advanced to such a level that you can expect greatly improved image quality, even at sensitivity as low as ISO 100." Originally posted by Erictator All of these components were newly designed and developed for this camera" If you are correct and if this referred to the sensor then the new 43mp Sony sensor must have been developed for Pentax. I find that unlikely.

07-26-2020, 04:53 PM	#7
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	One thing is that in the other thread people have apparently assumed that "image processor" and "improved IQ at ISO 100" means the Accelerator will work from base ISO. I just took it as a faster, more efficient PRIME than what is found in the previous cameras. That can mean anywhere from improved sharpening algorithms to better colour reproduction to faster buffer clearing, I guess. Let's wait and see, it won't be long.

07-26-2020, 06:39 PM - 4 Likes	#8
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,843	Originally posted by Erictator "To improve the image quality, we equipped the camera with brand new components, *including the image sensor,* image engine and accelerator unit. All of these components were newly designed and developed for this camera" I'm not sure I would want 43mp on APS-C! Irrespective of the mp count, I find it very surprising that any sensor has been "newly designed and developed for this camera". Pentax has always taken existing sensors in the past and tweaked them to their own liking (with great success).

07-26-2020, 07:28 PM	#9
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,227	Originally posted by alfa75ts It also goes on to say:"In terms of numerical figures, such as the number of total recording pixels, you can pretty much expect what the camera's APS-C-format sensor can do.This image-processing unit, however, has been advanced to such a level that you can expect greatly improved image quality, even at sensitivity as low as ISO 100." You are quite correct and I'm sure there was a reason why this was referred to specifically in answering a very general question.

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hjoseph7 Site Supporter Join Date: May 2014 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,046	No more Mega Pixels please...

07-26-2020, 08:39 PM - 2 Likes	#11
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,400	I'm of the opinion, that a sensor just revealed in February is far too new to be in the new body. But I have no direct insight.

07-26-2020, 09:07 PM	#12
ben-pentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 133	Originally posted by Pentax Syntax Usually we can look to Nikon and Sony to see what they have used in their cameras. Maybe the K-new will buck that trend. Seems that with that camera, Ricoh is trying something that has not been done by Pentax for a long time - leading also with specs. I do believe the Knew will buck the trend, but I don't believe a brand new 2020 sensor will be used. Probably the sensor had to be decided on long before.

07-26-2020, 10:15 PM - 1 Like	#14
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	24-28 Mp IMO.

07-26-2020, 10:18 PM - 2 Likes	#15
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by GordonZA Has anyone else noticed that card slot 1 on the K new is wider towards the top and narrows at the bottom? Could this slot possibly accept two card types, SD and CFExpress type A slot? It looks just like the #2 slot on my K-3 when viewed from the same angle. The body contour is getting in the way. What I would note is that the designations are reversed. On the K-3, the #1 is towards the front and the #2 towards the back. Originally posted by thibs 24-28 Mp IMO. Agreed. Steve