Tony N. bashing mirroless for sports/wildlife, asking for hybrid OVF

bobmaxja · 08-09-2020, 01:37 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by c.a.m

Just like mirrorless cameras with EVFs! (see how I keep this post on topic?)

On the other hand, the views of green grass, leaves on trees, and flowers will look mighty fine in January.

- Craig

Oh and forget it’s winter outside and run with no coat. Fake view

swanlefitte · 08-09-2020, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by MetalUndivided

]. Since your eyes can't focus independently of each other, every time you take your eye off the EVF to look at your subject, you have to refocus. No such need with an OVF.

You could put the evf 6-7 meters in front of the camera, compensate by making it 1.5 meter diagonal with a large shade to eliminate glare. The only problem left is how to see your actual subject with the evf in the way.

PDL · 08-09-2020, 04:23 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by AstroDave

On rainy days, you can play back some sunshine!

Yer power bill is gonna go up, though.

<sarcasm>
The windows will have Being Looked At Detection (BLAD®) so they will only power up when a person is looking at them. Just don't wear sunglasses. And DO NOT BLINK when walking into the room - or there will be Detection Lag. (Please refer to the EUL for proper looking out the window capabilities)

</sarcasm>

Aside:
Tony N bashing something - whoda thunk it.

**Joetitch** · 08-09-2020, 07:42 PM

Now stay tuned for attack of the mirrorlessians. (Apologies to Pentaxians)

Wasp · 08-10-2020, 04:39 AM

Aha, the Achilles heel of the MILC! I happen to like mirrorless and I have two Samsung NX bodies. I will keep my two Pentaxes around for doing action photography. I haven't done much of that lately, but it's good to keep in mind that a real time OVF is good to have. Horses for courses.

**cdw2000** · 08-11-2020, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by c.a.m

Optical glass is so 1980s. At our house, we're thinking of replacing all the windows with 4K monitors wired to video cameras installed outside. Think of the advantages!

- Craig

If you are home on a stay-cation due to the pandemic you can change your window views to exotic places!

swanlefitte · 08-11-2020, 11:33 AM - **1 Like**

I want hybrid windows at least for when the power goes out. I also can add a virtual birdfeeder to the tree outside and have exotic birds visit it.

The Squirrel Mafia · 08-11-2020, 12:04 PM

This is one of the reasons that I prefer an OVF over an EVF. I'm not opposed to a very good EVF like the one in the Panasonic G9 and the Nikon Z bodies, but it's going to be many years before the lag is almost gone. I don't think they'll ever eliminate the lag completely, unless they find a way to beat physics.

**ThorSanchez** · 08-11-2020, 01:15 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

This is one of the reasons that I prefer an OVF over an EVF. I'm not opposed to a very good EVF like the one in the Panasonic G9 and the Nikon Z bodies, but it's going to be many years before the lag is almost gone. I don't think they'll ever eliminate the lag completely, unless they find a way to beat physics.

Let's not kid ourselves, an OVF has a lag, too.

If you're 100m from a bird you're really seeing the bird as it existed 333 nanoseconds in the past.

**Pål Jensen** · 08-11-2020, 02:21 PM - **2 Likes**

Tony who?

The Squirrel Mafia · 08-11-2020, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

Let's not kid ourselves, an OVF has a lag, too.

If you're 100m from a bird you're really seeing the bird as it existed 333 nanoseconds in the past.

Yeah, but how would that translate in the EVF? 888 nanoseconds? Hahaha!

**Rondec** · 08-12-2020, 03:10 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Bob 256

Problem solved: I use a flux capacitor in my EVF which looks at the actual scene about 50ms into the future so that when I'm using it, it's showing the same view that an OVF would - drains the batteries awful fast though!

The solution, of course, is only to take action photographs in the middle of violent lightning storms, where 1.21 gigawatts of power are easily obtainable. While many sporting events are actually cancelled during these sorts of lightning displays, I am certain if the sports leagues understood the needs of the MILC community, they would happily schedule sporting events only during these storms.

It certainly seems like a reasonable solution to me.

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08-09-2020, 01:37 PM - 1 Like	#16
bobmaxja Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,171	Originally posted by c.a.m Just like mirrorless cameras with EVFs! (see how I keep this post on topic?) On the other hand, the views of green grass, leaves on trees, and flowers will look mighty fine in January. - Craig Oh and forget it’s winter outside and run with no coat. Fake view

08-09-2020, 03:27 PM	#17
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	Originally posted by MetalUndivided ]. Since your eyes can't focus independently of each other, every time you take your eye off the EVF to look at your subject, you have to refocus. No such need with an OVF. You could put the evf 6-7 meters in front of the camera, compensate by making it 1.5 meter diagonal with a large shade to eliminate glare. The only problem left is how to see your actual subject with the evf in the way.

08-09-2020, 04:23 PM - 1 Like	#18
PDL Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: PNW USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,128	Originally posted by AstroDave On rainy days, you can play back some sunshine! Yer power bill is gonna go up, though. <sarcasm> The windows will have Being Looked At Detection (BLAD®) so they will only power up when a person is looking at them. Just don't wear sunglasses. And DO NOT BLINK when walking into the room - or there will be Detection Lag. (Please refer to the EUL for proper looking out the window capabilities) </sarcasm> Aside: Tony N bashing something - whoda thunk it.

08-09-2020, 07:42 PM	#19
Joetitch Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Leura NSW Posts: 502	Now stay tuned for attack of the mirrorlessians. (Apologies to Pentaxians)

08-10-2020, 04:39 AM	#20
Wasp Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Pretoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,661	Aha, the Achilles heel of the MILC! I happen to like mirrorless and I have two Samsung NX bodies. I will keep my two Pentaxes around for doing action photography. I haven't done much of that lately, but it's good to keep in mind that a real time OVF is good to have. Horses for courses.

08-11-2020, 10:49 AM	#21
cdw2000 Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: New Hampshire Photos: Albums Posts: 244	Originally posted by c.a.m Optical glass is so 1980s. At our house, we're thinking of replacing all the windows with 4K monitors wired to video cameras installed outside. Think of the advantages! - Craig If you are home on a stay-cation due to the pandemic you can change your window views to exotic places!

08-11-2020, 11:33 AM - 1 Like	#22
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	I want hybrid windows at least for when the power goes out. I also can add a virtual birdfeeder to the tree outside and have exotic birds visit it.

08-11-2020, 12:04 PM	#23
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,056	This is one of the reasons that I prefer an OVF over an EVF. I'm not opposed to a very good EVF like the one in the Panasonic G9 and the Nikon Z bodies, but it's going to be many years before the lag is almost gone. I don't think they'll ever eliminate the lag completely, unless they find a way to beat physics.

08-11-2020, 01:15 PM - 2 Likes	#24
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,807	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia This is one of the reasons that I prefer an OVF over an EVF. I'm not opposed to a very good EVF like the one in the Panasonic G9 and the Nikon Z bodies, but it's going to be many years before the lag is almost gone. I don't think they'll ever eliminate the lag completely, unless they find a way to beat physics. Let's not kid ourselves, an OVF has a lag, too. If you're 100m from a bird you're really seeing the bird as it existed 333 nanoseconds in the past.

08-11-2020, 02:21 PM - 2 Likes	#25
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Tony who?

08-11-2020, 04:43 PM	#26
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,056	Originally posted by ThorSanchez Let's not kid ourselves, an OVF has a lag, too. If you're 100m from a bird you're really seeing the bird as it existed 333 nanoseconds in the past. Yeah, but how would that translate in the EVF? 888 nanoseconds? Hahaha!

08-12-2020, 03:10 AM - 3 Likes	#27
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	Originally posted by Bob 256 Problem solved: I use a flux capacitor in my EVF which looks at the actual scene about 50ms into the future so that when I'm using it, it's showing the same view that an OVF would - drains the batteries awful fast though! The solution, of course, is only to take action photographs in the middle of violent lightning storms, where 1.21 gigawatts of power are easily obtainable. While many sporting events are actually cancelled during these sorts of lightning displays, I am certain if the sports leagues understood the needs of the MILC community, they would happily schedule sporting events only during these storms. It certainly seems like a reasonable solution to me.