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01-20-2021, 09:14 AM - 1 Like   #1
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AI vs Portrait Photography

That's where we are heading.
Photoshop "postprocessing" is so 1990s.

Low quality obsolete tech image: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/437397

Modern AI photo version: https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000C3q_nXOUJrE/fit=1000x750/g=G0...n-van-Rijn.jpg

The photographer uses uses GAN (generative adversarial network) to generatethe photos.

Watch: https://basuterwijk.photoshelter.com/gallery/A-I-generated-portraits/G0000WVKM6MbiIAc

I really like the van Gogh photo: https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/07/tp-composite-ai-a...0&h=800&crop=1

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Now , some companies are working on realistic VR 3D imaging synthesis. Adding up people into a scene, completely fake, but very realistic.
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I like the low quality image much more. I take this as a good example, that we should not rank technical perfection over content and interpretation.
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Norman Rockwell does Rembrandt? (...love the added glints...NOT!)


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QuoteOriginally posted by Papa_Joe Quote
I like the low quality image much more. I take this as a good example, that we should not rank technical perfection over content and interpretation.
But look at the low detail resolution. If I zoom in on the image until I am 10cm away from the canvas, all details are lost.
Ok the guy obvisouly was painting away at high ISO without proper flash, but even my K-7 would resolve more details.
Anyhow the image is not pro level. It's just a static image of bloke sitting around there. Any smartphone can do that. Remember it is just a selfie.

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OK, so, this is not where "we are going". What is most interesting in this technique is what it could do for ancient images, such as the Ptolemaic/Roman-Egyptian encaustic mortuary portrait, such that we can see a sense of what that person looked like in ancient times w/o the filter of the stylistic conventions of the day. A little less true of the later portraits.

And none of these originals are lo-res. That's abject nonsense.
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QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
That's where we are heading.
I very much hope not. The modern equivalents all look absolute rubbish.
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You seem to be saying that the "removal of the soul" from the image is where we are headed. If this is so, then I think I will hop off the train before we get there.

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Okay.

Now do Picasso.
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QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
...The photographer uses uses GAN (generative adversarial network) to generatethe photos...
If the image is generated rather than taken with a camera, then by definition it's not a photograph. The same applies to photo-realistic paintings. Just because something looks like a photograph doesn't mean it's a photograph.
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If the image is generated rather than taken with a camera, then by definition it's not a photograph. The same applies to photo-realistic paintings. Just because something looks like a photograph doesn't mean it's a photograph.
The basis are photos which are processed by the AI into something new.

Anyone using software for image files creates something new. There are people who use filters or photoshop to manipulate photos. Arbitrarily drawing the line doesn't add a lot of value.

They are very well done "composite photos". No different from a guy replacing the sky on his photo. The artist (the software) has created something new.

If the result is better than the original is subjective.
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Like anything else devised by humans, AI is a tool that can be used for good or for ill.

I find all of this very interesting. There are some impressive images created by GANs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
The basis are photos which are processed by the AI into something new.

Anyone using software for image files creates something new. There are people who use filters or photoshop to manipulate photos. Arbitrarily drawing the line doesn't add a lot of value.

They are very well done "composite photos". No different from a guy replacing the sky on his photo. The artist (the software) has created something new.

If the result is better than the original is subjective.
Might be of interest to some of our coding-savvy PF members.
https://towardsdatascience.com/generating-modern-arts-using-generative-adver...l-39f67f83c7b4
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QuoteOriginally posted by DeadJohn Quote
The same applies to photo-realistic paintings.
...and photographs posing as paintings...


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QuoteOriginally posted by beholder3 Quote
That's where we are heading.
Photoshop "postprocessing" is so 1990s.

Low quality obsolete tech image: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/437397

Modern AI photo version: https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000C3q_nXOUJrE/fit=1000x750/g=G0...n-van-Rijn.jpg

The photographer uses uses GAN (generative adversarial network) to generatethe photos.

Watch: https://basuterwijk.photoshelter.com/gallery/A-I-generated-portraits/G0000WVKM6MbiIAc

I really like the van Gogh photo: https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/07/tp-composite-ai-a...0&h=800&crop=1
And the result is visual Muzak. No texture, aroma or soul. Just synthetic predictable nothingness. Makes Vanilla seem exotic. Okay, Vanilla is exotic but you get the point.
Or maybe you don't. So instead of messy children, just buy a robot. And explain Rembrandt to them.
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