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biz-engineer · 03-08-2021, 12:34 PM

In the news today: OnePlus and Hasselblad Team-Up to Co-Develop Smartphone Cameras
Soon to come Hassy co-branded phone. Hasselblad image quality in the pocket.
Should Ricoh license the K mount or M42 to Apple?

stevebrot · 03-08-2021, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Medium format image quality into a smartphone

Ummmmm...no. Hasselblad something...

Steve

ChristianRock · 03-08-2021, 12:59 PM - **2 Likes**

Just because it says Phase One on the back of the cell phone, I wouldn't be selling those medium format digital backs just yet...

photoptimist · 03-08-2021, 01:04 PM - **10 Likes**

LOL!

The only way to get "medium format quality" is to have "medium format sensor size." Basic optical and photosensor physics strictly limits image quality and affects the "look" of the image.

The computational image manipulations used by smartphones are like pancake makeup on a corpse -- sure, things look pretty, smooth, and lifelike but the true image is rotten underneath.

Paul the Sunman · 03-08-2021, 03:51 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by photoptimist

The computational image manipulations used by smartphones are like pancake makeup on a corpse.

Let me write that down!

biz-engineer · 03-08-2021, 09:11 PM

Got some Leica in my Huawei phone.

Wasp · 03-09-2021, 12:45 AM - **1 Like**

My cynical first thought was:

**ThorSanchez** · 03-09-2021, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by photoptimist

LOL!

The only way to get "medium format quality" is to have "medium format sensor size." Basic optical and photosensor physics strictly limits image quality and affects the "look" of the image.

The computational image manipulations used by smartphones are like pancake makeup on a corpse -- sure, things look pretty, smooth, and lifelike but the true image is rotten underneath.

If the end result is pleasing does anyone outside of photography forums care if the data to construct it was collected with one exposure from a big sensor, or many exposures from a smaller one? I'm having difficulty discerning the relative purity of: light hitting sensor > processor collecting data > processor turning data into 1s and 0s in some format > storing data on memory card, and light hitting sensor > processor collecting data > processor turning data into 1s and 0s in some format > processor optimizing and combining multiple exposures > storing data on memory card.

It's splitting of hairs to rave about pixel shift doing computational tricks on a K-1ii, and then talk of smartphones combining exposures as garish makeup on a corpse.

ChristianRock · 03-09-2021, 06:36 AM

I heard the Hasselblaad phone will come with a wood grip.

(ok or maybe not... lol)

The corpse analogy is a hyperbole, of course. Phones have become really good point and shoots, better than any 1/2.3" sensor point and shoot because they usually have a prime lens. My phone is a middle of the run phone (courtesy of my job) but still has a 1/2" sensor and a quad pixel array (48MP -> 12MP). It's not horrible, in fact it's better than any point and shoots I had in the past.

But I hardly use that camera, I prefer to use my Pentax bodies...

**MossyRocks** · 03-09-2021, 08:29 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by photoptimist

The computational image manipulations used by smartphones are like pancake makeup on a corpse -- sure, things look pretty, smooth, and lifelike but the true image is rotten underneath.

I'm going to use this the next time I see someone spouting off about how great their 108MP cellphone camera is and how it is so much better than my K-3ii with it's wimpy 24mp sensor.

Much like how when cellphones first offered an astro mode where the shots produced images where some of the structure of the night sky is just barely visible above the noise floor. Then everyone said that cellphones where going to kill astrophotography and my response was to state that until a cellphone can deliver a single shot like this they aren't going to be taking over astrophotography any time soon.

Wheatfield · 03-10-2021, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

In the news today: OnePlus and Hasselblad Team-Up to Co-Develop Smartphone Cameras
Soon to come Hassy co-branded phone. Hasselblad image quality in the pocket.
Should Ricoh license the K mount or M42 to Apple?

I guess the "Leica" camera on my old Huawei P20Pro gives Leica M10R quality. It must, it says Leica right on the phone.

biz-engineer · 03-10-2021, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Wheatfield

I guess the "Leica" camera on my old Huawei P20Pro gives Leica M10R quality. It must, it says Leica right on the phone.

Without any doubt.

**MossyRocks** · 03-10-2021, 01:43 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Wheatfield

I guess the "Leica" camera on my old Huawei P20Pro gives Leica M10R quality. It must, it says Leica right on the phone.

Now I'm going to stick the AMD Ryzen sticker that came with my CPU for my most recent computer on my phone to up the performance.

03-08-2021, 12:34 PM	#1
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,252	Medium format image quality into a smartphone In the news today: OnePlus and Hasselblad Team-Up to Co-Develop Smartphone Cameras Soon to come Hassy co-branded phone. Hasselblad image quality in the pocket. Should Ricoh license the K mount or M42 to Apple?

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photoptimist Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2016 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,129	LOL! The only way to get "medium format quality" is to have "medium format sensor size." Basic optical and photosensor physics strictly limits image quality and affects the "look" of the image. The computational image manipulations used by smartphones are like pancake makeup on a corpse -- sure, things look pretty, smooth, and lifelike but the true image is rotten underneath.

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,252 Original Poster	Got some Leica in my Huawei phone.

03-09-2021, 12:45 AM - 1 Like	#7
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03-09-2021, 05:42 AM	#8
ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,809	Originally posted by photoptimist LOL! The only way to get "medium format quality" is to have "medium format sensor size." Basic optical and photosensor physics strictly limits image quality and affects the "look" of the image. The computational image manipulations used by smartphones are like pancake makeup on a corpse -- sure, things look pretty, smooth, and lifelike but the true image is rotten underneath. If the end result is pleasing does anyone outside of photography forums care if the data to construct it was collected with one exposure from a big sensor, or many exposures from a smaller one? I'm having difficulty discerning the relative purity of: light hitting sensor > processor collecting data > processor turning data into 1s and 0s in some format > storing data on memory card, and light hitting sensor > processor collecting data > processor turning data into 1s and 0s in some format > processor optimizing and combining multiple exposures > storing data on memory card. It's splitting of hairs to rave about pixel shift doing computational tricks on a K-1ii, and then talk of smartphones combining exposures as garish makeup on a corpse.

03-09-2021, 06:36 AM	#9
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,912	I heard the Hasselblaad phone will come with a wood grip. (ok or maybe not... lol) The corpse analogy is a hyperbole, of course. Phones have become really good point and shoots, better than any 1/2.3" sensor point and shoot because they usually have a prime lens. My phone is a middle of the run phone (courtesy of my job) but still has a 1/2" sensor and a quad pixel array (48MP -> 12MP). It's not horrible, in fact it's better than any point and shoots I had in the past. But I hardly use that camera, I prefer to use my Pentax bodies...

03-09-2021, 08:29 AM - 1 Like	#10
MossyRocks Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,982	Originally posted by photoptimist The computational image manipulations used by smartphones are like pancake makeup on a corpse -- sure, things look pretty, smooth, and lifelike but the true image is rotten underneath. I'm going to use this the next time I see someone spouting off about how great their 108MP cellphone camera is and how it is so much better than my K-3ii with it's wimpy 24mp sensor. Much like how when cellphones first offered an astro mode where the shots produced images where some of the structure of the night sky is just barely visible above the noise floor. Then everyone said that cellphones where going to kill astrophotography and my response was to state that until a cellphone can deliver a single shot like this they aren't going to be taking over astrophotography any time soon.

03-10-2021, 12:43 PM	#11
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,991	Originally posted by biz-engineer In the news today: OnePlus and Hasselblad Team-Up to Co-Develop Smartphone Cameras Soon to come Hassy co-branded phone. Hasselblad image quality in the pocket. Should Ricoh license the K mount or M42 to Apple? I guess the "Leica" camera on my old Huawei P20Pro gives Leica M10R quality. It must, it says Leica right on the phone.

03-10-2021, 01:37 PM	#12
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,252 Original Poster	Originally posted by Wheatfield I guess the "Leica" camera on my old Huawei P20Pro gives Leica M10R quality. It must, it says Leica right on the phone. Without any doubt.

03-10-2021, 01:43 PM - 1 Like	#13
MossyRocks Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Minnesota Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,982	Originally posted by Wheatfield I guess the "Leica" camera on my old Huawei P20Pro gives Leica M10R quality. It must, it says Leica right on the phone. Now I'm going to stick the AMD Ryzen sticker that came with my CPU for my most recent computer on my phone to up the performance.