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**RobA_Oz** · 02-27-2022, 03:56 PM - **4 Likes**

Over at Fstoppers, Ivor Rackham clearly expounds on the market saturation dilemma facing the larger camera-makers, and explains why he’s opting for the new OM body in spite of all that.

Here’s the link: To Upgrade or Not to Upgrade: That Is the Question. | Fstoppers

**ramseybuckeye** · 02-27-2022, 04:22 PM - **1 Like**

Wow, that's a great article written by a reviewer, I'm surprised that they published it. He brings up a lot of good points and is honest about reviews having to nitpick at minor differences.

**c.a.m** · 02-27-2022, 04:57 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

A Considered View of the Upgrade Cycle

Thanks for the link. I don't usually follow Fstoppers, but this is a refreshing article.

Interestingly, concerning his upgrade to the latest OM-1 camera, the author notes that "...the newest release is a giant leap forward in functionality that will significantly help my photography. That's why I ordered it." The focus on helping one's photography is important, IMO.

- Craig

**cdw2000** · 02-27-2022, 05:11 PM

A very well thought out and written article. The Pentax K-70 seems to be the exception from the big 3 for the entry level DSLR, feature-wise. My only wish would be for more advanced autofocus. If Pentax were to come out with a new sub-$1000 DSLR with all the features of a K-70 and the autofocus of the K3 III, I would jump on it.

MikeStnly · 02-27-2022, 05:14 PM - **1 Like**

I think this article is bang on and matches my views.

To Upgrade or Not to Upgrade: That Is the Question. | Fstoppers

Not a Number · 02-27-2022, 06:01 PM - **1 Like**

Covered here in a previous post:

A Considered View of the Upgrade Cycle - PentaxForums.com

**luftfluss** · 02-27-2022, 06:17 PM - **1 Like**

I very much agree with the sentiment expressed in the article.

Nice to see Pentax cited as a brand with something special to offer.

The author starts the article with, "We are constantly pressured into buying the latest cameras." I wonder... are we? I see folks on online forums say that, but I rarely encounter that pressure, myself. Folks also refer to "mirrorless propaganda", and I don't see that very often, either. I read the reviews from DPR, Imaging-Resource, Cameralabs, etc., as well as a few Youtubers, and I don't feel like the author or presenter is attempting to pressure or persuade me of anything, really.

Is it simply the fact that someone is exhibiting delight or admiration for a new bit o' gear, or demonstrating its features, that I am supposed to be influenced by that person?

**Digitalis** · 02-27-2022, 07:45 PM

It is a bit misleading to compare the K1000 to modern DSLRS, film technologies changed in small but noticeable ways the 16 year long run the K1000 had in production. DSLRs have the sensor as an integral component of their construction. If we were able to switch out the sensors our cameras to keep up with current sensor design trends most would jump at the chance - but the sensors used in Pentax DSLRS are made by SONYTM and that money would go to them instead of Pentax who designed and developed the camera, It wouldn't be viable.

**RobA_Oz** · 02-27-2022, 08:14 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Not a Number

Covered here in a previous post:

A Considered View of the Upgrade Cycle - PentaxForums.com

Thank you. As a Moderator, you might consider combining the threads.

surfar · 02-27-2022, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Thank you. As a Moderator, you might consider combining the threads.

Hey Rob, tell your Bro to delay his swim up here.Its rainy and he might get hit by the houses being washed down the rivers, when they reach the sea.

He is right next to you!

Sandy Hancock · 02-27-2022, 09:10 PM - **1 Like**

Threads merged

biz-engineer · 02-27-2022, 10:47 PM

The article is not good, as it completely ignores photographic needs and customer education. Some customers upgrade because it's "cool", some customers upgrade between the new camera model solve a problem that they have with their current camera system, and problems can change depending what we aim at. The camera industry has no interest in educating customers. That's how most sales of new camera highly correlate with marketing expenditures and there is a huge used market of perfectly functional cameras accumulating dust.

zapp · 02-27-2022, 10:50 PM - **1 Like**

If you meet a photographer outside the internet test review opinion mayhem, this opinion is just obvious. You can buy lenses, filters, tripod, etc instead of only cameras, and go out there and put the gear to use.

**Digitalis** · 02-27-2022, 11:51 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

That's how most sales of new camera highly correlate with marketing expenditures and there is a huge used market of perfectly functional cameras accumulating dust.

Most camera Salesmen* I have dealt with are shockingly ignorant of what they are actually selling. The only ones that really know their stuff are the sales reps I have met from Leica, Phase one and Hasselblad. There are a few local camera stores I go to where the staff are more knowledgeable** than the typical electronics retail outlets.

* They had might as well be selling used cars - which is generally accepted to be currently one of the shadiest occupations.
** perhaps they let the less experienced staff out the back when they see me coming, I can't be sure.

**RobA_Oz** · 02-28-2022, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by surfar

Hey Rob, tell your Bro to delay his swim up here.Its rainy and he might get hit by the houses being washed down the rivers, when they reach the sea.

He is right next to you!

One of my daughters in Brisbane has had her ground floor flooded so I guess it'll be me swimming there soon. But thanks for the thought.

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The article is not good, as it completely ignores photographic needs and customer education. Some customers upgrade because it's "cool", some customers upgrade between the new camera model solve a problem that they have with their current camera system, and problems can change depending what we aim at. The camera industry has no interest in educating customers. That's how most sales of new camera highly correlate with marketing expenditures and there is a huge used market of perfectly functional cameras accumulating dust.

Interesting how two people can read the same article and come to different views about it. From my reading, the author very much made the point about customer needs, even citing his own. Customer education is another matter, although customers bear the greatest responsibility for their own education, but I agree that many people are just hooked on having the latest, and not just in relation to photo gear. I do think, nonetheless, that the general rise in the price of camera bodies and the move upward in lens specification that also leads to rising prices there will slow down the upgrade cycle.

02-27-2022, 03:56 PM - 4 Likes	#1
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	A Considered View of the Upgrade Cycle Over at Fstoppers, Ivor Rackham clearly expounds on the market saturation dilemma facing the larger camera-makers, and explains why he’s opting for the new OM body in spite of all that. Here’s the link: To Upgrade or Not to Upgrade: That Is the Question. \| Fstoppers

02-27-2022, 05:14 PM - 1 Like	#5
MikeStnly Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Algonquin Highlands Posts: 249	A refreshing viewpoint and it even mentions Pentax. I think this article is bang on and matches my views. To Upgrade or Not to Upgrade: That Is the Question. \| Fstoppers

02-27-2022, 11:51 PM - 1 Like	#14
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by biz-engineer That's how most sales of new camera highly correlate with marketing expenditures and there is a huge used market of perfectly functional cameras accumulating dust. Most camera Salesmen* I have dealt with are shockingly ignorant of what they are actually selling. The only ones that really know their stuff are the sales reps I have met from Leica, Phase one and Hasselblad. There are a few local camera stores I go to where the staff are more knowledgeable** than the typical electronics retail outlets. * They had might as well be selling used cars - which is generally accepted to be currently one of the shadiest occupations. ** perhaps they let the less experienced staff out the back when they see me coming, I can't be sure. Last edited by Digitalis; 02-28-2022 at 02:48 AM.

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02-27-2022, 04:22 PM - 1 Like	#2
ramseybuckeye Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hampstead, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 17,296	Wow, that's a great article written by a reviewer, I'm surprised that they published it. He brings up a lot of good points and is honest about reviews having to nitpick at minor differences.

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c.a.m Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,193	Originally posted by RobA_Oz A Considered View of the Upgrade Cycle Thanks for the link. I don't usually follow Fstoppers, but this is a refreshing article. Interestingly, concerning his upgrade to the latest OM-1 camera, the author notes that "...the newest release is a giant leap forward in functionality that will significantly help my photography. That's why I ordered it." The focus on helping one's photography is important, IMO. - Craig

02-27-2022, 05:11 PM	#4
cdw2000 Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: New Hampshire Photos: Albums Posts: 244	A very well thought out and written article. The Pentax K-70 seems to be the exception from the big 3 for the entry level DSLR, feature-wise. My only wish would be for more advanced autofocus. If Pentax were to come out with a new sub-$1000 DSLR with all the features of a K-70 and the autofocus of the K3 III, I would jump on it.

02-27-2022, 06:01 PM - 1 Like	#6
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Covered here in a previous post: A Considered View of the Upgrade Cycle - PentaxForums.com

02-27-2022, 06:17 PM - 1 Like	#7
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,628	I very much agree with the sentiment expressed in the article. Nice to see Pentax cited as a brand with something special to offer. The author starts the article with, "We are constantly pressured into buying the latest cameras." I wonder... are we? I see folks on online forums say that, but I rarely encounter that pressure, myself. Folks also refer to "mirrorless propaganda", and I don't see that very often, either. I read the reviews from DPR, Imaging-Resource, Cameralabs, etc., as well as a few Youtubers, and I don't feel like the author or presenter is attempting to pressure or persuade me of anything, really. Is it simply the fact that someone is exhibiting delight or admiration for a new bit o' gear, or demonstrating its features, that I am supposed to be influenced by that person?

02-27-2022, 07:45 PM	#8
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	It is a bit misleading to compare the K1000 to modern DSLRS, film technologies changed in small but noticeable ways the 16 year long run the K1000 had in production. DSLRs have the sensor as an integral component of their construction. If we were able to switch out the sensors our cameras to keep up with current sensor design trends most would jump at the chance - but the sensors used in Pentax DSLRS are made by SONYTM and that money would go to them instead of Pentax who designed and developed the camera, It wouldn't be viable.

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RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209 Original Poster	Originally posted by Not a Number Covered here in a previous post: A Considered View of the Upgrade Cycle - PentaxForums.com Thank you. As a Moderator, you might consider combining the threads.

02-27-2022, 08:42 PM	#10
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,147	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Thank you. As a Moderator, you might consider combining the threads. Hey Rob, tell your Bro to delay his swim up here.Its rainy and he might get hit by the houses being washed down the rivers, when they reach the sea. He is right next to you!

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Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,275	Threads merged

02-27-2022, 10:47 PM	#12
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,249	The article is not good, as it completely ignores photographic needs and customer education. Some customers upgrade because it's "cool", some customers upgrade between the new camera model solve a problem that they have with their current camera system, and problems can change depending what we aim at. The camera industry has no interest in educating customers. That's how most sales of new camera highly correlate with marketing expenditures and there is a huge used market of perfectly functional cameras accumulating dust.

02-27-2022, 10:50 PM - 1 Like	#13
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,389	If you meet a photographer outside the internet test review opinion mayhem, this opinion is just obvious. You can buy lenses, filters, tripod, etc instead of only cameras, and go out there and put the gear to use.

02-28-2022, 12:28 AM	#15
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209 Original Poster	Originally posted by surfar Hey Rob, tell your Bro to delay his swim up here.Its rainy and he might get hit by the houses being washed down the rivers, when they reach the sea. He is right next to you! One of my daughters in Brisbane has had her ground floor flooded so I guess it'll be me swimming there soon. But thanks for the thought. Originally posted by biz-engineer The article is not good, as it completely ignores photographic needs and customer education. Some customers upgrade because it's "cool", some customers upgrade between the new camera model solve a problem that they have with their current camera system, and problems can change depending what we aim at. The camera industry has no interest in educating customers. That's how most sales of new camera highly correlate with marketing expenditures and there is a huge used market of perfectly functional cameras accumulating dust. Interesting how two people can read the same article and come to different views about it. From my reading, the author very much made the point about customer needs, even citing his own. Customer education is another matter, although customers bear the greatest responsibility for their own education, but I agree that many people are just hooked on having the latest, and not just in relation to photo gear. I do think, nonetheless, that the general rise in the price of camera bodies and the move upward in lens specification that also leads to rising prices there will slow down the upgrade cycle.