Amazon killed Dpreview

**BarryE** · 03-21-2023, 10:59 AM - **6 Likes**

I am not especially bothered by their demise, to be honest. Over the years I've dipped in for info/advice, but most helpful stuff has come from this site. I did detect a bias against Pentax that I felt was unwarranted and biased, which like other areas in my life, if I detect bias and hypocrisy I tend to turn away, unless I need to engage.

Related to this I do miss quality printed photo publications. To me a photograph is not properly finished until it's printed, so a printed magazine, printed on a quality stock, tends to make my look and engage with images I would never give more than a nano second to online. This helps me learn and expand, especially when the associated text is written well. Or at least it did when there was a market. Most publications have either gone under or are electronic only. We've lost something and gained much noise instead ...

D1N0 · 03-21-2023, 11:09 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by AfterPentax Mark II

It is / was also a question why it floated into the arms of Amazon. The answer is also the reason that it is shut down. But I agree with others that it was a source for photographers, but like any other forum it should not be your only source for information. I will miss comparing the reviews there with Pentaxforum's reviews. It was after all many years ago that I learned from DPreview that there was a Pentaxforum.

Amazon acquired them in 2007 when dedicated digital photography was still booming from people stepping over from film and camera phones were still crap. Now it has become a niche, so they lost interest, just like Samsung lost interest in camera's even though they had just put one of the best camera's ever on the market.

**c.a.m** · 03-21-2023, 11:22 AM - **2 Likes**

I have mixed feelings over the impending demise.

DPReview has been a diverse photographic gear site, and its forums are probably the broadest. I've benefited over the years from some of the information on new cameras or lenses, and have enjoyed some of the general-interest pieces. On the other hand, I won't miss the articles on "The Best" or "The Worst" or the DPReview TV stuff -- I find their videos to be generally too long for the useful information that they offer.

IMO, DPReview has not been particularly useful for information or insights into Pentax gear, although earlier articles were worthwhile.

They'll be missed within the general photographic community, and certainly by the many active forum members there.

- Craig

Mistral75 · 03-21-2023, 11:25 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by gatorguy

And OF COURSE a mod locked it before responding to the member who wanted more info about Pentaxforums.com

The way it was originally written it could be mistaken for a reference to some general Pentax forum on an unspecified site.

EDIT: I posted the mention of Pentaxforums.com in the only remaining unlocked thread.

So did I:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4705220#forum-post-66954827

gatorguy · 03-21-2023, 11:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BarryE

Related to this I do miss quality printed photo publications. To me a photograph is not properly finished until it's printed, so a printed magazine, printed on a quality stock, tends to make my look and engage with images I would never give more than a nano second to online. This helps me learn and expand, especially when the associated text is written well. Or at least it did when there was a market. Most publications have either gone under or are electronic only. We've lost something and gained much noise instead ...

A subscription to "Outdoor Photographer" perhaps? I've enjoyed mine even if the number of ads probably matches the pages dedicated to articles. Still a very worthwhile printed magazine.

gatorguy · 03-21-2023, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

So did I:

DPReview Shutdown Threads: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Thank you for the teamwork! I wasn't aware they had any other threads not yet locked. Mine was posted in the main shutdown thread.

MMVIII · 03-21-2023, 11:32 AM - **1 Like**

Oh, wow. Phil's first tests, comments, samples etc. were a useful contribution to the photo community from the beginning of digital photography
I think I missed the old side and it's spirit since it got bought by Amazon already.

Still, it was a good resource for information and a regular source for news.

Who would have thought that Pentax in this form as a DSLR-manufacturer would outlive both the mirrorless pioneer Olympus and the dinosaur dpreview...

**luftfluss** · 03-21-2023, 12:01 PM - **3 Likes**

So, what is going to be the Pentax Forums "bogeyman/whipping boy" now?

**Kevin B123** · 03-21-2023, 12:07 PM - **7 Likes**

Originally posted by luftfluss

So, what is going to be the Pentax Forums "bogeyman/whipping boy" now?

The real bad news is that all those trolls will need to find a new home. DPR at least kept them all in one place where they could be ignored.

**BarryE** · 03-21-2023, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by gatorguy

A subscription to "Outdoor Photographer" perhaps? I've enjoyed mine even if the number of ads probably matches the pages dedicated to articles. Still a very worthwhile printed magazine.

I guess I'd not respond to photos of bison, bear and rattlesnakes

In the UK our Outdoor Photography mag has become swamped with ads and articles clearly sponsored by advertisers. I had several years worth in a pile that I've recently donated to a young wildlife photographer near me. His parents can't drag him away from them. So some good came from them and I clawed back some cupboard space. Lots of articles about fearsome foxes, terrifying toads and dangerous deer, plus hills aspiring to become mountains when the plates next shift ...

**Mbaez** · 03-21-2023, 12:11 PM

Gave up that place long ago when I realized it was a website for Previews only and no Reviews. Bye bye d-Preview!

The Squirrel Mafia · 03-21-2023, 12:15 PM - **4 Likes**

I didn't really care for the main review site, but I'm gonna miss the forums. It was the only place where I could interact with different camera users.

**FozzFoster** · 03-21-2023, 12:24 PM - **1 Like**

maybe NikonForums and CanonForums will get a bit more attention now?

**Mbaez** · 03-21-2023, 12:27 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

I didn't really care for the main review site, but I'm gonna miss the forums. It was the only place where I could interact with different camera users.

There's people over here that use other brands without fanaticism. For example: m43, Fuji, L-Mount, and compact cameras.

texandrews · 03-21-2023, 12:29 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by gatorguy

And OF COURSE a mod locked it before responding to the member who wanted more info about Pentaxforums.com

The way it was originally written it could be mistaken for a reference to some general Pentax forum on an unspecified site.

EDIT: I posted the mention of Pentaxforums.com in the only remaining unlocked thread.

That particular mod is quite a piece of work. He once deleted a posting of mine (which was pointing out certain "inconsistencies" in how Pentax was treated in the reviews compared to other makes). The cause? I said "sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander". I think the guy is Swedish and didn't know the saying, so he looked it up and got the etymology, which originally---centuries ago!--was a little disparaging. Now of course it has come to mean something completely different--i.e., fairness. I had an exchange with him in PM's, asking for him to tell me what i had done wrong. His answer was "You know what you've done." And of course there's no recourse on DPR for bad moderation, which happens frequently. I've been on his radar ever since, and he continued to ding me for nothings.

Don't EVER let him come here.

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03-21-2023, 10:59 AM - 6 Likes	#16
BarryE Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 1,653	I am not especially bothered by their demise, to be honest. Over the years I've dipped in for info/advice, but most helpful stuff has come from this site. I did detect a bias against Pentax that I felt was unwarranted and biased, which like other areas in my life, if I detect bias and hypocrisy I tend to turn away, unless I need to engage. Related to this I do miss quality printed photo publications. To me a photograph is not properly finished until it's printed, so a printed magazine, printed on a quality stock, tends to make my look and engage with images I would never give more than a nano second to online. This helps me learn and expand, especially when the associated text is written well. Or at least it did when there was a market. Most publications have either gone under or are electronic only. We've lost something and gained much noise instead ...

03-21-2023, 11:09 AM - 4 Likes	#17
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802 Original Poster	Originally posted by AfterPentax Mark II It is / was also a question why it floated into the arms of Amazon. The answer is also the reason that it is shut down. But I agree with others that it was a source for photographers, but like any other forum it should not be your only source for information. I will miss comparing the reviews there with Pentaxforum's reviews. It was after all many years ago that I learned from DPreview that there was a Pentaxforum. Amazon acquired them in 2007 when dedicated digital photography was still booming from people stepping over from film and camera phones were still crap. Now it has become a niche, so they lost interest, just like Samsung lost interest in camera's even though they had just put one of the best camera's ever on the market.

03-21-2023, 11:22 AM - 2 Likes	#18
c.a.m Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,189	I have mixed feelings over the impending demise. DPReview has been a diverse photographic gear site, and its forums are probably the broadest. I've benefited over the years from some of the information on new cameras or lenses, and have enjoyed some of the general-interest pieces. On the other hand, I won't miss the articles on "The Best" or "The Worst" or the DPReview TV stuff -- I find their videos to be generally too long for the useful information that they offer. IMO, DPReview has not been particularly useful for information or insights into Pentax gear, although earlier articles were worthwhile. They'll be missed within the general photographic community, and certainly by the many active forum members there. - Craig

03-21-2023, 11:25 AM - 2 Likes	#19
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by gatorguy And OF COURSE a mod locked it before responding to the member who wanted more info about Pentaxforums.com The way it was originally written it could be mistaken for a reference to some general Pentax forum on an unspecified site. EDIT: I posted the mention of Pentaxforums.com in the only remaining unlocked thread. So did I: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4705220#forum-post-66954827

03-21-2023, 11:27 AM - 1 Like	#20
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by BarryE Related to this I do miss quality printed photo publications. To me a photograph is not properly finished until it's printed, so a printed magazine, printed on a quality stock, tends to make my look and engage with images I would never give more than a nano second to online. This helps me learn and expand, especially when the associated text is written well. Or at least it did when there was a market. Most publications have either gone under or are electronic only. We've lost something and gained much noise instead ... A subscription to "Outdoor Photographer" perhaps? I've enjoyed mine even if the number of ads probably matches the pages dedicated to articles. Still a very worthwhile printed magazine.

03-21-2023, 11:30 AM	#21
gatorguy Moderator Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Central Florida Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,092	Originally posted by Mistral75 So did I: DPReview Shutdown Threads: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Thank you for the teamwork! I wasn't aware they had any other threads not yet locked. Mine was posted in the main shutdown thread.

03-21-2023, 11:32 AM - 1 Like	#22
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Oh, wow. Phil's first tests, comments, samples etc. were a useful contribution to the photo community from the beginning of digital photography I think I missed the old side and it's spirit since it got bought by Amazon already. Still, it was a good resource for information and a regular source for news. Who would have thought that Pentax in this form as a DSLR-manufacturer would outlive both the mirrorless pioneer Olympus and the dinosaur dpreview...

03-21-2023, 12:01 PM - 3 Likes	#23
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	So, what is going to be the Pentax Forums "bogeyman/whipping boy" now?

03-21-2023, 12:07 PM - 7 Likes	#24
Kevin B123 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Hampshire Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,176	Originally posted by luftfluss So, what is going to be the Pentax Forums "bogeyman/whipping boy" now? The real bad news is that all those trolls will need to find a new home. DPR at least kept them all in one place where they could be ignored.

03-21-2023, 12:09 PM	#25
BarryE Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 1,653	Originally posted by gatorguy A subscription to "Outdoor Photographer" perhaps? I've enjoyed mine even if the number of ads probably matches the pages dedicated to articles. Still a very worthwhile printed magazine. I guess I'd not respond to photos of bison, bear and rattlesnakes In the UK our Outdoor Photography mag has become swamped with ads and articles clearly sponsored by advertisers. I had several years worth in a pile that I've recently donated to a young wildlife photographer near me. His parents can't drag him away from them. So some good came from them and I clawed back some cupboard space. Lots of articles about fearsome foxes, terrifying toads and dangerous deer, plus hills aspiring to become mountains when the plates next shift ...

03-21-2023, 12:11 PM	#26
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Gave up that place long ago when I realized it was a website for Previews only and no Reviews. Bye bye d-Preview!

03-21-2023, 12:15 PM - 4 Likes	#27
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	I didn't really care for the main review site, but I'm gonna miss the forums. It was the only place where I could interact with different camera users.

03-21-2023, 12:24 PM - 1 Like	#28
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	maybe NikonForums and CanonForums will get a bit more attention now?

03-21-2023, 12:27 PM - 1 Like	#29
Mbaez Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: NY Photos: Albums Posts: 3,774	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia I didn't really care for the main review site, but I'm gonna miss the forums. It was the only place where I could interact with different camera users. There's people over here that use other brands without fanaticism. For example: m43, Fuji, L-Mount, and compact cameras.

03-21-2023, 12:29 PM - 2 Likes	#30
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,390	Originally posted by gatorguy And OF COURSE a mod locked it before responding to the member who wanted more info about Pentaxforums.com The way it was originally written it could be mistaken for a reference to some general Pentax forum on an unspecified site. EDIT: I posted the mention of Pentaxforums.com in the only remaining unlocked thread. That particular mod is quite a piece of work. He once deleted a posting of mine (which was pointing out certain "inconsistencies" in how Pentax was treated in the reviews compared to other makes). The cause? I said "sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander". I think the guy is Swedish and didn't know the saying, so he looked it up and got the etymology, which originally---centuries ago!--was a little disparaging. Now of course it has come to mean something completely different--i.e., fairness. I had an exchange with him in PM's, asking for him to tell me what i had done wrong. His answer was "You know what you've done." And of course there's no recourse on DPR for bad moderation, which happens frequently. I've been on his radar ever since, and he continued to ding me for nothings. Don't EVER let him come here.