Actress "Vahina Giocante" for Spring Magazine

benjikan · 02-03-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by speedoo

Thanks for posting. Amazing images. I like them all but I think the hallway shot is my favorite. Somewhere in Paris?

It was shot at the Hotel Meurice in Paris.

Ben

pingflood · 02-03-2009, 06:49 PM

Nice shots!

Her name is dangerously close to being suited for a Bond movie though...

geauxpez · 02-03-2009, 07:39 PM

Ben, flipping back and forth between your un-retouched photo and the final version, I can see that although you changed the tonality of the photo and did a little PP on the actress, your lighting is amazingly consistent. Every shadow, highlight and nuance is preserved. This bespeaks of amazing vision during execution.

Pingflood -- I had to do a double-take on the name several times as well.

Lovely set.

Adam

Tommy · 02-04-2009, 05:40 AM

Ben, what kind of agreement do you normally have with your client when you do fashion photography like this? I mean, you seem to have no problem posting the photos here before they appear in the magazine? Is that OK with them? Is this the way it normally works....that the photographer owns the rights to the photos and can do what ever he wants with them or do you have different aggreements for each assignment you do?

A friend of mine is a fashion designer and she hired a photographer to take pictures for her website. She then found some of those pictures on the photographers website. She was more than a little upset when she saw that the photos used were some of the ones she had rejected because they didn't show her products in the best way. She emailed the photographer and asked him to remove the pictures but he just arrogantly replied that he had every right to use them as he wanted.

I guess he was right about his rights if they didn't have a contract saying that he couldn't do this, but wouldn't it be wiser to listen at least a little to your clients?
I don't remember if timing was an issue here but if you got the assignment to shoot marketing pictures of the new Pentax K30D (or whatever the next camera will be), you would get strict rules not to walk directly from the shoot and post them here, right? For a fashion designer or magazine owner it probably wouldn't be just as important to keep the pictures a secret but I guess there still must be a lot of times when timing and/or quality of photos posted elsewhere matters or is it always just left to the photographer to decide?

/Tommy

benjikan · 02-04-2009, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by Tommy

Ben, what kind of agreement do you normally have with your client when you do fashion photography like this? I mean, you seem to have no problem posting the photos here before they appear in the magazine? Is that OK with them? Is this the way it normally works....that the photographer owns the rights to the photos and can do what ever he wants with them or do you have different aggreements for each assignment you do?

A friend of mine is a fashion designer and she hired a photographer to take pictures for her website. She then found some of those pictures on the photographers website. She was more than a little upset when she saw that the photos used were some of the ones she had rejected because they didn't show her products in the best way. She emailed the photographer and asked him to remove the pictures but he just arrogantly replied that he had every right to use them as he wanted.

I guess he was right about his rights if they didn't have a contract saying that he couldn't do this, but wouldn't it be wiser to listen at least a little to your clients?
I don't remember if timing was an issue here but if you got the assignment to shoot marketing pictures of the new Pentax K30D (or whatever the next camera will be), you would get strict rules not to walk directly from the shoot and post them here, right? For a fashion designer or magazine owner it probably wouldn't be just as important to keep the pictures a secret but I guess there still must be a lot of times when timing and/or quality of photos posted elsewhere matters or is it always just left to the photographer to decide?

/Tommy

Berne convention 1987 or is tha '86. I own the rights to the images, unless I license the client to usage for a said period. The rights always revert back to the original artist after the said period. The artist may use those images for non-commercial promotion of him/herself as well, via exhibits etc. Vahina has no problem nor does Spring magazine, as they know it is good PR for them as well..One more thing, they trust my good sense.

Tommy · 02-04-2009, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

Berne convention 1987 or is tha '86. I own the rights to the images, unless I license the client to usage for a said period. The rights always revert back to the original artist after the said period. The artist may use those images for non-commercial promotion of him/herself as well, via exhibits etc. Vahina has no problem nor does Spring magazine, as they know it is good PR for them as well..One more thing, they trust my good sense.

Ok! So it is not very common that a client wants to specify what pictures can be shown and what pictures that you more or less have to delete? Do they have this legal possibility if that was the case? I guess anything can be written in a contract, but have you ever heard of it?

benjikan · 02-04-2009, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Tommy

Ok! So it is not very common that a client wants to specify what pictures can be shown and what pictures that you more or less have to delete? Do they have this legal possibility if that was the case? I guess anything can be written in a contract, but have you ever heard of it?

All contracts can be customized.

Last edited by benjikan; 02-05-2009 at 04:29 AM.

christinelandon · 02-05-2009, 03:21 AM

Ben, I was particularly impressed with your interplay of tonality and perspective in the hallway shot. Thanks for sharing and teaching us so much!

David Glazebrook · 02-05-2009, 04:41 AM

my vote is for the ladder/chandleir shot ... nice stuff ... very nice ...

tigrebleu · 02-07-2009, 01:13 PM

I'm not a fan of this kind of lighting, but I'm still impressed by the quality of these photos.

Composition, mood, camera angle, exposure: they're all great!

And the art direction, the set, the clothes, the hair and the make-up are all pro-level stuff.

Very nice work, there. I really like the 4th and 5th pictures. Dramatic, moody... Kudos!

Keep posting.

benjikan · 02-21-2009, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by tigrebleu

I'm not a fan of this kind of lighting, but I'm still impressed by the quality of these photos.

Composition, mood, camera angle, exposure: they're all great!

And the art direction, the set, the clothes, the hair and the make-up are all pro-level stuff.

Very nice work, there. I really like the 4th and 5th pictures. Dramatic, moody... Kudos!

Keep posting.

Thanks, appreciated!

Ben

JHfwp · 02-22-2009, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by geauxpez

Ben, flipping back and forth between your un-retouched photo and the final version, I can see that although you changed the tonality of the photo and did a little PP on the actress, your lighting is amazingly consistent...

Adam

I'm curious to see the un-retouched photos... am I blind or is there a link someone could provide???

Thanks!

geauxpez · 02-22-2009, 07:11 PM

Post #5

Here.

JHfwp · 02-22-2009, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by geauxpez

Post #5

Here.

Ah, thank you.

benjikan · 02-23-2009, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by JHfwp

I'm curious to see the un-retouched photos... am I blind or is there a link someone could provide???

Thanks!

Most of the retouch is skin and hair oriented. These might be huge posters one day and as a result were retouched with a lot of scrutiny.

Ben

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02-03-2009, 04:39 PM	#16
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by speedoo Thanks for posting. Amazing images. I like them all but I think the hallway shot is my favorite. Somewhere in Paris? It was shot at the Hotel Meurice in Paris. Ben

02-03-2009, 06:49 PM	#17
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Nice shots! Her name is dangerously close to being suited for a Bond movie though...

02-03-2009, 07:39 PM	#18
geauxpez Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,196	Ben, flipping back and forth between your un-retouched photo and the final version, I can see that although you changed the tonality of the photo and did a little PP on the actress, your lighting is amazingly consistent. Every shadow, highlight and nuance is preserved. This bespeaks of amazing vision during execution. Pingflood -- I had to do a double-take on the name several times as well. Lovely set. Adam

02-04-2009, 05:40 AM	#19
Tommy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 195	Ben, what kind of agreement do you normally have with your client when you do fashion photography like this? I mean, you seem to have no problem posting the photos here before they appear in the magazine? Is that OK with them? Is this the way it normally works....that the photographer owns the rights to the photos and can do what ever he wants with them or do you have different aggreements for each assignment you do? A friend of mine is a fashion designer and she hired a photographer to take pictures for her website. She then found some of those pictures on the photographers website. She was more than a little upset when she saw that the photos used were some of the ones she had rejected because they didn't show her products in the best way. She emailed the photographer and asked him to remove the pictures but he just arrogantly replied that he had every right to use them as he wanted. I guess he was right about his rights if they didn't have a contract saying that he couldn't do this, but wouldn't it be wiser to listen at least a little to your clients? I don't remember if timing was an issue here but if you got the assignment to shoot marketing pictures of the new Pentax K30D (or whatever the next camera will be), you would get strict rules not to walk directly from the shoot and post them here, right? For a fashion designer or magazine owner it probably wouldn't be just as important to keep the pictures a secret but I guess there still must be a lot of times when timing and/or quality of photos posted elsewhere matters or is it always just left to the photographer to decide? /Tommy

02-04-2009, 06:23 AM	#20
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by Tommy Ben, what kind of agreement do you normally have with your client when you do fashion photography like this? I mean, you seem to have no problem posting the photos here before they appear in the magazine? Is that OK with them? Is this the way it normally works....that the photographer owns the rights to the photos and can do what ever he wants with them or do you have different aggreements for each assignment you do? A friend of mine is a fashion designer and she hired a photographer to take pictures for her website. She then found some of those pictures on the photographers website. She was more than a little upset when she saw that the photos used were some of the ones she had rejected because they didn't show her products in the best way. She emailed the photographer and asked him to remove the pictures but he just arrogantly replied that he had every right to use them as he wanted. I guess he was right about his rights if they didn't have a contract saying that he couldn't do this, but wouldn't it be wiser to listen at least a little to your clients? I don't remember if timing was an issue here but if you got the assignment to shoot marketing pictures of the new Pentax K30D (or whatever the next camera will be), you would get strict rules not to walk directly from the shoot and post them here, right? For a fashion designer or magazine owner it probably wouldn't be just as important to keep the pictures a secret but I guess there still must be a lot of times when timing and/or quality of photos posted elsewhere matters or is it always just left to the photographer to decide? /Tommy Berne convention 1987 or is tha '86. I own the rights to the images, unless I license the client to usage for a said period. The rights always revert back to the original artist after the said period. The artist may use those images for non-commercial promotion of him/herself as well, via exhibits etc. Vahina has no problem nor does Spring magazine, as they know it is good PR for them as well..One more thing, they trust my good sense.

02-04-2009, 07:47 AM	#21
Tommy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 195	Originally posted by benjikan Berne convention 1987 or is tha '86. I own the rights to the images, unless I license the client to usage for a said period. The rights always revert back to the original artist after the said period. The artist may use those images for non-commercial promotion of him/herself as well, via exhibits etc. Vahina has no problem nor does Spring magazine, as they know it is good PR for them as well..One more thing, they trust my good sense. Ok! So it is not very common that a client wants to specify what pictures can be shown and what pictures that you more or less have to delete? Do they have this legal possibility if that was the case? I guess anything can be written in a contract, but have you ever heard of it?

02-04-2009, 08:26 AM	#22
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by Tommy Ok! So it is not very common that a client wants to specify what pictures can be shown and what pictures that you more or less have to delete? Do they have this legal possibility if that was the case? I guess anything can be written in a contract, but have you ever heard of it? All contracts can be customized. Last edited by benjikan; 02-05-2009 at 04:29 AM.

02-05-2009, 03:21 AM	#23
christinelandon Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle, Washington, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 812	Ben, I was particularly impressed with your interplay of tonality and perspective in the hallway shot. Thanks for sharing and teaching us so much!

02-05-2009, 04:41 AM	#24
David Glazebrook Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Blue Mountains, NSW Photos: Gallery Posts: 217	my vote is for the ladder/chandleir shot ... nice stuff ... very nice ...

02-07-2009, 01:13 PM	#25
tigrebleu Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Lévis, Canada (Québec) Posts: 144	I'm not a fan of this kind of lighting, but I'm still impressed by the quality of these photos. Composition, mood, camera angle, exposure: they're all great! And the art direction, the set, the clothes, the hair and the make-up are all pro-level stuff. Very nice work, there. I really like the 4th and 5th pictures. Dramatic, moody... Kudos! Keep posting.

02-21-2009, 07:13 AM	#26
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by tigrebleu I'm not a fan of this kind of lighting, but I'm still impressed by the quality of these photos. Composition, mood, camera angle, exposure: they're all great! And the art direction, the set, the clothes, the hair and the make-up are all pro-level stuff. Very nice work, there. I really like the 4th and 5th pictures. Dramatic, moody... Kudos! Keep posting. Thanks, appreciated! Ben

02-22-2009, 05:23 PM	#27
JHfwp Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 876	Originally posted by geauxpez Ben, flipping back and forth between your un-retouched photo and the final version, I can see that although you changed the tonality of the photo and did a little PP on the actress, your lighting is amazingly consistent... Adam I'm curious to see the un-retouched photos... am I blind or is there a link someone could provide??? Thanks!

02-22-2009, 07:11 PM	#28
geauxpez Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Atlanta Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,196	Post #5 Here.

02-22-2009, 07:41 PM	#29
JHfwp Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 876	Originally posted by geauxpez Post #5 Here. Ah, thank you.

02-23-2009, 12:25 PM	#30
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by JHfwp I'm curious to see the un-retouched photos... am I blind or is there a link someone could provide??? Thanks! Most of the retouch is skin and hair oriented. These might be huge posters one day and as a result were retouched with a lot of scrutiny. Ben