How to judge your wedding photographer?

Peter Zack · 03-03-2010, 09:33 AM

Of course we are Wheatfield. You know better than most that there's a huge difference from a kit lens to a top quality fast prime. The kit lens in tough light is just not going to provide a good image. I do disagree with his comments on the grade of camera though. Today's sensors are all pretty good. Some more than others of course.

George Lama · 03-03-2010, 06:21 PM

But most times, the biggest flaw in any camera system is the person holding the camera.

GeneV · 03-03-2010, 06:43 PM

The shots they showed were not badly set up. It is ridiculous, though, for a professional photographer to complain about the lighting. Come prepared! Surely the minister would have allowed the usual posed indoor flash photos after the guests have left the sanctuary.

dugrant153 · 03-04-2010, 12:46 AM

I've been reading a lot about this on other forums but just got the chance to see it today.

Going into a wedding with a kit lenses is definitely not the way to do a professional job.

Still, I don't think the images are horrible... but they aren't good. Kinda hard to see via youtube though.

George Lama · 03-04-2010, 08:08 PM

Kit lens or fast primes - wouldn't have made a difference.
5 times the camera quality - wouldn't have made a difference.

Sure it was obvious that Judge Brown knew more about cameras than she did (Go Judge!)

As I've always claimed, professionalism goes beyond equipment. The unprofessionalism exhibited all throughout this video wouldn't have been fixed by equipment. The fact that she knew she was on national television, on a pretty popular afternoon show didn't faze her! Who would want to hire this rude, petulant imbecile after that exhibition?

GeneV · 03-05-2010, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by dugrant153

I've been reading a lot about this on other forums but just got the chance to see it today.

Going into a wedding with a kit lenses is definitely not the way to do a professional job.

Still, I don't think the images are horrible... but they aren't good. Kinda hard to see via youtube though.

Yeah, it is clear that Judge Brown was seeing something in those photos that we couldn't.

Having your clients pick up their proofs/photos at Wal-Mart is also not a good move.

Ed n Georgia · 03-05-2010, 08:23 AM

I didn't watch the entire video. The outcome was farily predictable when the judge asked the speed of her 70-300 and she didn't know the answer.

creampuff · 03-08-2010, 02:58 AM

What f/stop?
Where is your 28-70?
What happened to your 1 series...

priceless...

res3567 · 03-08-2010, 06:07 AM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

Of course we are Wheatfield. You know better than most that there's a huge difference from a kit lens to a top quality fast prime. The kit lens in tough light is just not going to provide a good image. I do disagree with his comments on the grade of camera though. Today's sensors are all pretty good. Some more than others of course.

The judge did say it what a pretty good camera and I saw him focusing on the lens issues; he asked repeatedly about a tripod.......

res3567 · 03-08-2010, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by Arpe

The judge is a twit as well as the photographer.

Bad comment about the judge but you are right about the so-called "pro photographer" Actually I was quite impressed with his knowledge of equipment.

little laker · 03-08-2010, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by res3567

The judge did say it what a pretty good camera and I saw him focusing on the lens issues; he asked repeatedly about a tripod.......

Judging from the way she answered that question I wouldn't be surprised if the so called Photographer didn't know what a tripod is

It wouldn't be tough convincing her that it's a pop-up flash

I had to fix a job shot with a Canon Canon XTI Rebel, and from what I saw ISO 400 was USELESS for something like a wedding. The photographs were already grainy, and just no leeway for decent corrections. It took me about 30 seconds to realize that all photographs shot at ISO 400 were turned to B&W for a reason

Originally posted by res3567

Actually I was quite impressed with his knowledge of equipment.

The same here.

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03-03-2010, 09:33 AM	#16
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Of course we are Wheatfield. You know better than most that there's a huge difference from a kit lens to a top quality fast prime. The kit lens in tough light is just not going to provide a good image. I do disagree with his comments on the grade of camera though. Today's sensors are all pretty good. Some more than others of course.

03-03-2010, 06:21 PM	#17
George Lama Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo/Rochester, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,133	But most times, the biggest flaw in any camera system is the person holding the camera.

03-03-2010, 06:43 PM	#18
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	The shots they showed were not badly set up. It is ridiculous, though, for a professional photographer to complain about the lighting. Come prepared! Surely the minister would have allowed the usual posed indoor flash photos after the guests have left the sanctuary.

03-04-2010, 12:46 AM	#19
dugrant153 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,059	I've been reading a lot about this on other forums but just got the chance to see it today. Going into a wedding with a kit lenses is definitely not the way to do a professional job. Still, I don't think the images are horrible... but they aren't good. Kinda hard to see via youtube though.

03-04-2010, 08:08 PM	#20
George Lama Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Buffalo/Rochester, NY Photos: Albums Posts: 1,133	Kit lens or fast primes - wouldn't have made a difference. 5 times the camera quality - wouldn't have made a difference. Sure it was obvious that Judge Brown knew more about cameras than she did (Go Judge!) As I've always claimed, professionalism goes beyond equipment. The unprofessionalism exhibited all throughout this video wouldn't have been fixed by equipment. The fact that she knew she was on national television, on a pretty popular afternoon show didn't faze her! Who would want to hire this rude, petulant imbecile after that exhibition?

03-05-2010, 07:17 AM	#21
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by dugrant153 I've been reading a lot about this on other forums but just got the chance to see it today. Going into a wedding with a kit lenses is definitely not the way to do a professional job. Still, I don't think the images are horrible... but they aren't good. Kinda hard to see via youtube though. Yeah, it is clear that Judge Brown was seeing something in those photos that we couldn't. Having your clients pick up their proofs/photos at Wal-Mart is also not a good move.

03-05-2010, 08:23 AM	#22
Ed n Georgia Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Georgia Posts: 940	I didn't watch the entire video. The outcome was farily predictable when the judge asked the speed of her 70-300 and she didn't know the answer.

03-08-2010, 02:58 AM	#23
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	What f/stop? Where is your 28-70? What happened to your 1 series... priceless...

03-08-2010, 06:07 AM	#24
res3567 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Tx. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,876	Originally posted by Peter Zack Of course we are Wheatfield. You know better than most that there's a huge difference from a kit lens to a top quality fast prime. The kit lens in tough light is just not going to provide a good image. I do disagree with his comments on the grade of camera though. Today's sensors are all pretty good. Some more than others of course. The judge did say it what a pretty good camera and I saw him focusing on the lens issues; he asked repeatedly about a tripod.......

03-08-2010, 06:09 AM	#25
res3567 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston Tx. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,876	Originally posted by Arpe The judge is a twit as well as the photographer. Bad comment about the judge but you are right about the so-called "pro photographer" Actually I was quite impressed with his knowledge of equipment.

03-08-2010, 08:53 AM	#26
little laker Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,697	Originally posted by res3567 The judge did say it what a pretty good camera and I saw him focusing on the lens issues; he asked repeatedly about a tripod....... Judging from the way she answered that question I wouldn't be surprised if the so called Photographer didn't know what a tripod is It wouldn't be tough convincing her that it's a pop-up flash I had to fix a job shot with a Canon Canon XTI Rebel, and from what I saw ISO 400 was USELESS for something like a wedding. The photographs were already grainy, and just no leeway for decent corrections. It took me about 30 seconds to realize that all photographs shot at ISO 400 were turned to B&W for a reason Originally posted by res3567 Actually I was quite impressed with his knowledge of equipment. The same here.