Pentax K-01 vs Fuji X-Pro 1 vs Olympus OM-D

illdefined · 02-11-2012, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

I don't care about the larger market. I care whether the K-01 will be a great camera. Actually, I don't even care if it's a great camera. I only care about whether it's a step in the right direction. Personally, I think it is and I think it points to innovative thinking and greater things coming from Pentax...Amazon be damned.

you must work for Pentax Marketing. sometimes I feel they don't care about the market either.

TaoMaas · 02-11-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

you must work for Pentax Marketing. sometimes I feel they don't care about the market either.

LOL LOL LOL Does that mean you work for Canikon? Sheesh.... Try again.

TaoMaas · 02-11-2012, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by Winder

If you are not concerned with how the K-01 is perceived by the larger market then you should have no interest in this thread, because that is what it is about.

If the concern is about the larger market, why the title of this thread? What does Olympus and Fuji have to do with the larger market, which owned almost entirely by Canon and Nikon?

illdefined · 02-11-2012, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

LOL LOL LOL Does that mean you work for Canikon? Sheesh.... Try again.

If I work for CaNikon, I'm doing it all wrong, having and caring so much about all these Pentax cameras and lenses. But living in NYC I am somewhat aware of the market, going to B&H and Adorama and seeing how not great Pentax is doing. I was sad to see the Pentax shop inside Willoughby's close last year too.

illdefined · 02-11-2012, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

If the concern is about the larger market, why the title of this thread? What does Olympus and Fuji have to do with the larger market, which owned almost entirely by Canon and Nikon?

not addressed to me, but I'd say the point is Olympus and Fuji are making considerably positive moves in the market with their latest offerings. ie. they are moving forward from their previous positions not backward. Nobody's talked about Canon or Nikon except you, but like you said they own the market so they are effectively taking marketshare away from them.

**monochrome** · 02-11-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

Go away, troll!

Winder is hereby IGNORED, cutting the number of posts in the entireity of PentaxForums K-01 threads by an order of magnitude.

If I could also IGNORE the quoted Replies I might be able to read a thread.

TaoMaas · 02-11-2012, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

If I work for CaNikon, I'm doing it all wrong, having and caring so much about all these Pentax cameras and lenses. But living in NYC I am somewhat aware of the market, going to B&H and Adorama and seeing how not great Pentax is doing. I was sad to see the Pentax shop inside Willoughby's close last year too.

You're a few years late. Pentax has been disappearing from local camera shops for quite some time now. The only camera shop in my area stopped carrying them about two years ago. Like I said...this might be news to you guys, but it's not to most folks.

illdefined · 02-11-2012, 01:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by TaoMaas

You're a few years late. Pentax has been disappearing from local camera shops for quite some time now. The only camera shop in my area stopped carrying them about two years ago. Like I said...this might be news to you guys, but it's not to most folks.

so do you think it can (and should) continue this way? for how long?

If they're not selling in camera shops, and not selling online, where exactly are they selling?

Winder · 02-11-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

If the concern is about the larger market, why the title of this thread? What does Olympus and Fuji have to do with the larger market, which owned almost entirely by Canon and Nikon?

Three camera companies releasing 3 mirror-less products at the same time. Three companies fighting for market share against the big 2. If Canon or Nikon had released a mirror-less product at the same time I would have added it. This is about mirror-less products, not Canon/Nikon DSLRs.

Fuji represents a niche market with no existing legacy support and a high price.
Olympus represents a semi-established system with a small criticized sensor at a middle price point.
Pentax represents the most established, the lowest price, the best known sensor.

Which of the is going to strike gold and which one will strike-out?

Who has the best product for the larger market? Who will attract the most new users and experience the most growth. This is important because that means more money for R&D and better products for all of us users. The mirror-less market has the most opportunity for growth and I get the feeling we are at a critical time in the industry for this technology. There are a lot of people (like me) who have been watching the mirror-less segment waiting for the technology to reach a point where it is viable for our needs. I think we are very close to being there.

TaoMaas · 02-11-2012, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

Nobody's talked about Canon or Nikon except you.

But, how can we really say anything about the "larger market" without discussing the two elephants in the room? The larger market is Canon, Nikon...and everybody else. If we're really worried about future investments in gear, the smart money would NOT be on Pentax, Fuji, or Olympus. They're all niche players at this point. That might change at some point in the future, but taking a snapshot of Amazon sales figures really doesn't tell us much.

**monochrome** · 02-11-2012, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

If I work for CaNikon, I'm doing it all wrong, having and caring so much about all these Pentax cameras and lenses. But living in NYC I am somewhat aware of the market, going to B&H and Adorama and seeing how not great Pentax is doing. I was sad to see the Pentax shop inside Willoughby's close last year too.

You are like a study in negative space.

I think the whole point of Ricoh is to think about the future of Pentax, not the past, which is reflected in the woeful marketing they've been permitted to do in North America. I think it is fairly clear the K-01 project began as long as 18 months ago. Mark Newson states he was hired early in 2010. This is a Hoya product.

We get it. You want to beat into submission anyone who doesn't share your opinion. Look at me!! Look at me!!

Well fine. But FFS please go exhibit your work elsewhere.

And take Winder with you.

TaoMaas · 02-11-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

so do you think it can (and should) continue this way? for how long?

If they're not selling in camera shops, and not selling online, where exactly are they selling?

No, I don't think it can or should continue this way. I said a couple of years ago that Pentax needs to get their cameras in the hands of consumers so they can feel the difference between Pentax cameras and comparable brands. Pentax was already suffering before they got sold the first time and Hoya only took them farther out of local stores. I'm hoping Ricoh will reverse that, but they really haven't had much of a chance to do that yet. That's why I'm not drawing any conclusions based upon these sales figures.

**monochrome** · 02-11-2012, 01:08 PM

illdefined is IGNORED.

Further reducing the repetitive reading I need to do.

As a general rule I understand every Pentax offering ever made or to come pales by comparison to Canon, Nikon, Fuji and Olympus. And Leica.

I like Pentax.

I hate myself.

Sigh.

TaoMaas · 02-11-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Winder

Which of the is going to strike gold and which one will strike-out?

Who has the best product for the larger market? Who will attract the most new users and experience the most growth?

Fair enough questions, except you left out the qualifier..."Which of these companies are under new ownership which hasn't had a chance to show what they can develop?" We have to assume that this is the best Fuji and Olympus can do. We don't know that about Pentax yet.

illdefined · 02-11-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by TaoMaas

But, how can we really say anything about the "larger market" without discussing the two elephants in the room? The larger market is Canon, Nikon...and everybody else. If we're really worried about future investments in gear, the smart money would NOT be on Pentax, Fuji, or Olympus. They're all niche players at this point. That might change at some point in the future, but taking a snapshot of Amazon sales figures really doesn't tell us much.

you only quoted the first half of my post. you were right when you said Canon/Nikon are the market, so when we say market we *are* talking about them. Mirrorless is something relatively new to the market (Canon/Nikon) and becoming less and less of a niche everyday. As mirrorless becomes a bigger part of the overall camera market, so do these "niche" brands who command it. remember Canon has yet to even join.

again, where does this leave Pentax? empirically, they have everything need they need to be successful. complete and respected system, product and image quality, but they don't have the marketing.

02-11-2012, 12:55 PM	#561
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Begone Originally posted by TaoMaas Go away, troll! Winder is hereby IGNORED, cutting the number of posts in the entireity of PentaxForums K-01 threads by an order of magnitude. If I could also IGNORE the quoted Replies I might be able to read a thread.

02-11-2012, 01:08 PM	#568
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Begone II illdefined is IGNORED. Further reducing the repetitive reading I need to do. As a general rule I understand every Pentax offering ever made or to come pales by comparison to Canon, Nikon, Fuji and Olympus. And Leica. I like Pentax. I hate myself. Sigh.

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02-11-2012, 12:36 PM	#556
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by TaoMaas I don't care about the larger market. I care whether the K-01 will be a great camera. Actually, I don't even care if it's a great camera. I only care about whether it's a step in the right direction. Personally, I think it is and I think it points to innovative thinking and greater things coming from Pentax...Amazon be damned. you must work for Pentax Marketing. sometimes I feel they don't care about the market either.

02-11-2012, 12:40 PM	#557
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by illdefined you must work for Pentax Marketing. sometimes I feel they don't care about the market either. LOL LOL LOL Does that mean you work for Canikon? Sheesh.... Try again.

02-11-2012, 12:42 PM	#558
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Winder If you are not concerned with how the K-01 is perceived by the larger market then you should have no interest in this thread, because that is what it is about. If the concern is about the larger market, why the title of this thread? What does Olympus and Fuji have to do with the larger market, which owned almost entirely by Canon and Nikon?

02-11-2012, 12:47 PM	#559
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by TaoMaas LOL LOL LOL Does that mean you work for Canikon? Sheesh.... Try again. If I work for CaNikon, I'm doing it all wrong, having and caring so much about all these Pentax cameras and lenses. But living in NYC I am somewhat aware of the market, going to B&H and Adorama and seeing how not great Pentax is doing. I was sad to see the Pentax shop inside Willoughby's close last year too.

02-11-2012, 12:54 PM	#560
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by TaoMaas If the concern is about the larger market, why the title of this thread? What does Olympus and Fuji have to do with the larger market, which owned almost entirely by Canon and Nikon? not addressed to me, but I'd say the point is Olympus and Fuji are making considerably positive moves in the market with their latest offerings. ie. they are moving forward from their previous positions not backward. Nobody's talked about Canon or Nikon except you, but like you said they own the market so they are effectively taking marketshare away from them.

02-11-2012, 12:57 PM	#562
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by illdefined If I work for CaNikon, I'm doing it all wrong, having and caring so much about all these Pentax cameras and lenses. But living in NYC I am somewhat aware of the market, going to B&H and Adorama and seeing how not great Pentax is doing. I was sad to see the Pentax shop inside Willoughby's close last year too. You're a few years late. Pentax has been disappearing from local camera shops for quite some time now. The only camera shop in my area stopped carrying them about two years ago. Like I said...this might be news to you guys, but it's not to most folks.

02-11-2012, 01:00 PM - 1 Like	#563
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by TaoMaas You're a few years late. Pentax has been disappearing from local camera shops for quite some time now. The only camera shop in my area stopped carrying them about two years ago. Like I said...this might be news to you guys, but it's not to most folks. so do you think it can (and should) continue this way? for how long? If they're not selling in camera shops, and not selling online, where exactly are they selling?

02-11-2012, 01:00 PM	#564
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by TaoMaas If the concern is about the larger market, why the title of this thread? What does Olympus and Fuji have to do with the larger market, which owned almost entirely by Canon and Nikon? Three camera companies releasing 3 mirror-less products at the same time. Three companies fighting for market share against the big 2. If Canon or Nikon had released a mirror-less product at the same time I would have added it. This is about mirror-less products, not Canon/Nikon DSLRs. Fuji represents a niche market with no existing legacy support and a high price. Olympus represents a semi-established system with a small criticized sensor at a middle price point. Pentax represents the most established, the lowest price, the best known sensor. Which of the is going to strike gold and which one will strike-out? Who has the best product for the larger market? Who will attract the most new users and experience the most growth. This is important because that means more money for R&D and better products for all of us users. The mirror-less market has the most opportunity for growth and I get the feeling we are at a critical time in the industry for this technology. There are a lot of people (like me) who have been watching the mirror-less segment waiting for the technology to reach a point where it is viable for our needs. I think we are very close to being there.

02-11-2012, 01:03 PM	#565
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by illdefined Nobody's talked about Canon or Nikon except you. But, how can we really say anything about the "larger market" without discussing the two elephants in the room? The larger market is Canon, Nikon...and everybody else. If we're really worried about future investments in gear, the smart money would NOT be on Pentax, Fuji, or Olympus. They're all niche players at this point. That might change at some point in the future, but taking a snapshot of Amazon sales figures really doesn't tell us much.

02-11-2012, 01:04 PM	#566
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by illdefined If I work for CaNikon, I'm doing it all wrong, having and caring so much about all these Pentax cameras and lenses. But living in NYC I am somewhat aware of the market, going to B&H and Adorama and seeing how not great Pentax is doing. I was sad to see the Pentax shop inside Willoughby's close last year too. You are like a study in negative space. I think the whole point of Ricoh is to think about the future of Pentax, not the past, which is reflected in the woeful marketing they've been permitted to do in North America. I think it is fairly clear the K-01 project began as long as 18 months ago. Mark Newson states he was hired early in 2010. This is a Hoya product. We get it. You want to beat into submission anyone who doesn't share your opinion. Look at me!! Look at me!! Well fine. But FFS please go exhibit your work elsewhere. And take Winder with you.

02-11-2012, 01:07 PM	#567
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by illdefined so do you think it can (and should) continue this way? for how long? If they're not selling in camera shops, and not selling online, where exactly are they selling? No, I don't think it can or should continue this way. I said a couple of years ago that Pentax needs to get their cameras in the hands of consumers so they can feel the difference between Pentax cameras and comparable brands. Pentax was already suffering before they got sold the first time and Hoya only took them farther out of local stores. I'm hoping Ricoh will reverse that, but they really haven't had much of a chance to do that yet. That's why I'm not drawing any conclusions based upon these sales figures.

02-11-2012, 01:10 PM	#569
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Winder Which of the is going to strike gold and which one will strike-out? Who has the best product for the larger market? Who will attract the most new users and experience the most growth? Fair enough questions, except you left out the qualifier..."Which of these companies are under new ownership which hasn't had a chance to show what they can develop?" We have to assume that this is the best Fuji and Olympus can do. We don't know that about Pentax yet.

02-11-2012, 01:18 PM	#570
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by TaoMaas But, how can we really say anything about the "larger market" without discussing the two elephants in the room? The larger market is Canon, Nikon...and everybody else. If we're really worried about future investments in gear, the smart money would NOT be on Pentax, Fuji, or Olympus. They're all niche players at this point. That might change at some point in the future, but taking a snapshot of Amazon sales figures really doesn't tell us much. you only quoted the first half of my post. you were right when you said Canon/Nikon are the market, so when we say market we are talking about them. Mirrorless is something relatively new to the market (Canon/Nikon) and becoming less and less of a niche everyday. As mirrorless becomes a bigger part of the overall camera market, so do these "niche" brands who command it. remember Canon has yet to even join. again, where does this leave Pentax? empirically, they have everything need they need to be successful. complete and respected system, product and image quality, but they don't have the marketing.