Pentax K-01 vs Fuji X-Pro 1 vs Olympus OM-D

ogl · 02-12-2012, 11:12 PM

http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_5_Olympus-OM-D-...6bd6cacori.JPG

sorry, I don't want such results

Olympus OM-D E-M5 ??????? ???? - ???? - Olympus OM-D E-M5??? - ePrice ???

size, construsction and features - maybe good, but IQ is a level a bit higher than Nikon 1.

Last edited by ogl; 02-12-2012 at 11:20 PM.

Twarp · 02-13-2012, 01:07 AM

Since the K-mount is Pentax's main argument to continue the current DSLR and now new mirrorless line, I had a vision:
the moment Pentax releases a body with an upgraded (or should I say downgraded?) K-mount that supports mechanical aperture coupling as well to use with any K and M lens still out there in the universe without "green button hassle", they're back in business. That is, if they try and do a tiny little bit of advertisement worldwide to wake up some sleepers. No matter FF of APS-C. If they are smart being a bit classical in appearance will help too.

Biggest drawback is environmental because all the manuals of the new camera's will become huge with tables of lenses / supported features.

**Rondec** · 02-13-2012, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by ogl

http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_5_Olympus-OM-D-...6bd6cacori.JPG

sorry, I don't want such results

Olympus OM-D E-M5 ??????? ???? - ???? - Olympus OM-D E-M5??? - ePrice ???

size, construsction and features - maybe good, but IQ is a level a bit higher than Nikon 1.

Wow. It does look pretty bad, even at iso 200. Oh well, it'll be fine for facebook postings and things like that...

ogl · 02-13-2012, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Wow. It does look pretty bad, even at iso 200. Oh well, it'll be fine for facebook postings and things like that...

As I understand it's JPEG converted from RAW...

Have a look at 9 fps serie - it seems to me - no any foto in focus...e.t.c.
Olympus OM-D E-M5 ??????? ???? - ???? - Olympus OM-D E-M5??? - ePrice ???

http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...8bc30c3ori.JPG
http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...5d39981ori.JPG
http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...bbacd0eori.JPG

It's jpeg....

ISO200 looks rather weak

http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...a508ec3ori.JPG

Last edited by ogl; 02-13-2012 at 04:59 AM.

TaoMaas · 02-13-2012, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

A Jack of all trades is a master of none.

Never place all your eggs in one basket.

**Rondec** · 02-13-2012, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by ogl

As I understand it's JPEG converted from RAW...

Have a look at 9 fps serie - it seems to me - no any foto in focus...e.t.c.
Olympus OM-D E-M5 ??????? ???? - ???? - Olympus OM-D E-M5??? - ePrice ???

http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...8bc30c3ori.JPG
http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...5d39981ori.JPG
http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...bbacd0eori.JPG

It's jpeg....

ISO200 looks rather weak

http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...a508ec3ori.JPG

Well, the 9 fps has no auto focus, right? To have auto focus, you can only shoot 4 fps, I believe. Never quite understood that. The only situation where I can think of where you would want high fps without auto focus is if you have prefocused on an area (say a soccer goalie) and are expecting some event. Otherwise you just end up with 9 out of focus images.

pingflood · 02-13-2012, 07:39 AM

Here are some other samples, up to ISO 25600.

OM-D E-M5 ISO TEST (by???) Part I - 4/3 M43 ????? - ??? ??4/3?M43???? Olympus / Panasonic Hong Kong forum

Of course, we have yet to see any results from production cameras so will be interesting to see how they look. The E-P3 is good enough for me, and I can't imagine the E-M5 being worse.

For instance, here is 12,800:
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/E-M5ISO-19.jpg

Looks like some links aren't working in the forum thread, so check here for the photobucket links:
http://www.43rumors.com/

edit: I would say that 3200 is about as far as I would want to go.

Last edited by pingflood; 02-13-2012 at 07:45 AM.

ogl · 02-13-2012, 07:47 AM

My experience says that firmware 1.00 can modify IQ just a bit...In any camera of any system

K1D27H · 02-13-2012, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by pingflood

Here are some other samples, up to ISO 25600.

OM-D E-M5 ISO TEST (by???) Part I - 4/3 M43 ????? - ??? ??4/3?M43???? Olympus / Panasonic Hong Kong forum

Of course, we have yet to see any results from production cameras so will be interesting to see how they look. The E-P3 is good enough for me, and I can't imagine the E-M5 being worse.

For instance, here is 12,800:
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/E-M5ISO-19.jpg

Looks like some links aren't working in the forum thread, so check here for the photobucket links:
43 Rumors | Home

edit: I would say that 3200 is about as far as I would want to go.

I would push it to 6400 if the situation requires and do some post with. But beyond that it is hardly worth the effort.

JinDesu · 02-13-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by pingflood

Here are some other samples, up to ISO 25600.

OM-D E-M5 ISO TEST (by???) Part I - 4/3 M43 ????? - ??? ??4/3?M43???? Olympus / Panasonic Hong Kong forum

Of course, we have yet to see any results from production cameras so will be interesting to see how they look. The E-P3 is good enough for me, and I can't imagine the E-M5 being worse.

For instance, here is 12,800:
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/E-M5ISO-19.jpg

Looks like some links aren't working in the forum thread, so check here for the photobucket links:
43 Rumors | Home

edit: I would say that 3200 is about as far as I would want to go.

Agreed on ISO 3200...

That is at ISO 6400.. there's so much destructive effect on the image quality already that you can't even read some of the smaller letters. ISO 25600 is just a joke.

pingflood · 02-13-2012, 07:58 AM

Yeah, 25600 is just so they can brag about it, don't think anyone will find it practically useful.

As for noise reduction, will be nice to see how a decently processed raw file compares to the jpegs. Lightroom 3 has pretty impressive NR.

Winder · 02-13-2012, 11:22 AM

The Yellow K-01 is the top selling color on Amazon:

YELLOW: Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #3,448 in Camera & Photo
WHITE: Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #8,023 in Camera & Photo
BLACK: Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #6,234 in Camera & Photo

The Fuji has fallen, but it is because Amazon has sold out and it is back to a waiting list.
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #525 in Camera & Photo. Maybe Pentax can catch Fuji before more stock arrives..... Maybe....

All four of the Olympus options are listed in the top 10 of Amazons sales rankings.
Amazon Best Sellers Rank:
#1 in Electronics > Camera & Photo > Digital Cameras > Compact System Cameras
#18 in Camera & Photo > Lenses ALL BLACK BODY WITH KIT LENS.

We know all of Fuji sales are to "NEW" users.

Since the Olympus body + kit lens is ranking so strong you have to assume a large number of buyers are new to the system. Body only sales for Olympus are also really strong so their must be a significant number of "upgrading" existing buyers.

The K-01 is falling like a rock. I figured there would be a weekend sales bump for the K-01, but there was no bump. The K-01 continues to fall.

NOTE: If you don't think the sales rankings from the largest on-line retailer are a good source then please post a more accurate source for sales rankings before bitching about it.

Winder · 02-13-2012, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by pingflood

Yeah, 25600 is just so they can brag about it, don't think anyone will find it practically useful.

As for noise reduction, will be nice to see how a decently processed raw file compares to the jpegs. Lightroom 3 has pretty impressive NR.

43 Rumors | Blog | HOT: Complete Olympus E-M5 ISO test

You can see the noise reduction at work, and this does not appear to be really challenging light, but this actually very good for a camera at this price point.

pingflood · 02-13-2012, 11:44 AM

Yeah, I do want to see a raw file done in LR3 or similar before passing judgment though; it is rare that in-camera NR is particularly impressive.

westmill · 02-13-2012, 12:11 PM

The four thirds system has always been not bad upto 1600 ISO. For some, that can be enough.
One of the good things about the four thirds system is the sort of inherent built in ability of producing high quality images with a bit of depth with fast lenses
used wide open. The ability to use a wider aprature makes up a bit for the lack of high ISO performance.
I never like going above 800 ISO and used that as my basic ceiling, so there is some improvement in performance.

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02-12-2012, 11:12 PM	#601
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_5_Olympus-OM-D-...6bd6cacori.JPG sorry, I don't want such results Olympus OM-D E-M5 ??????? ???? - ???? - Olympus OM-D E-M5??? - ePrice ??? size, construsction and features - maybe good, but IQ is a level a bit higher than Nikon 1. Last edited by ogl; 02-12-2012 at 11:20 PM.

02-13-2012, 01:07 AM	#602
Twarp Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 77	Since the K-mount is Pentax's main argument to continue the current DSLR and now new mirrorless line, I had a vision: the moment Pentax releases a body with an upgraded (or should I say downgraded?) K-mount that supports mechanical aperture coupling as well to use with any K and M lens still out there in the universe without "green button hassle", they're back in business. That is, if they try and do a tiny little bit of advertisement worldwide to wake up some sleepers. No matter FF of APS-C. If they are smart being a bit classical in appearance will help too. Biggest drawback is environmental because all the manuals of the new camera's will become huge with tables of lenses / supported features.

02-13-2012, 04:11 AM	#603
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by ogl http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_5_Olympus-OM-D-...6bd6cacori.JPG sorry, I don't want such results Olympus OM-D E-M5 ??????? ???? - ???? - Olympus OM-D E-M5??? - ePrice ??? size, construsction and features - maybe good, but IQ is a level a bit higher than Nikon 1. Wow. It does look pretty bad, even at iso 200. Oh well, it'll be fine for facebook postings and things like that...

02-13-2012, 04:54 AM	#604
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Rondec Wow. It does look pretty bad, even at iso 200. Oh well, it'll be fine for facebook postings and things like that... As I understand it's JPEG converted from RAW... Have a look at 9 fps serie - it seems to me - no any foto in focus...e.t.c. Olympus OM-D E-M5 ??????? ???? - ???? - Olympus OM-D E-M5??? - ePrice ??? http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...8bc30c3ori.JPG http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...5d39981ori.JPG http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...bbacd0eori.JPG It's jpeg.... ISO200 looks rather weak http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...a508ec3ori.JPG Last edited by ogl; 02-13-2012 at 04:59 AM.

02-13-2012, 05:55 AM	#605
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor A Jack of all trades is a master of none. Never place all your eggs in one basket.

02-13-2012, 07:38 AM	#606
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by ogl As I understand it's JPEG converted from RAW... Have a look at 9 fps serie - it seems to me - no any foto in focus...e.t.c. Olympus OM-D E-M5 ??????? ???? - ???? - Olympus OM-D E-M5??? - ePrice ??? http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...8bc30c3ori.JPG http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...5d39981ori.JPG http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...bbacd0eori.JPG It's jpeg.... ISO200 looks rather weak http://timg.eprice.com.hk/hk/dc/img/2012-02/08/3106/alexchow_4_Olympus-OM-D-...a508ec3ori.JPG Well, the 9 fps has no auto focus, right? To have auto focus, you can only shoot 4 fps, I believe. Never quite understood that. The only situation where I can think of where you would want high fps without auto focus is if you have prefocused on an area (say a soccer goalie) and are expecting some event. Otherwise you just end up with 9 out of focus images.

02-13-2012, 07:39 AM	#607
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Here are some other samples, up to ISO 25600. OM-D E-M5 ISO TEST (by???) Part I - 4/3 M43 ????? - ??? ??4/3?M43???? Olympus / Panasonic Hong Kong forum Of course, we have yet to see any results from production cameras so will be interesting to see how they look. The E-P3 is good enough for me, and I can't imagine the E-M5 being worse. For instance, here is 12,800: http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/E-M5ISO-19.jpg Looks like some links aren't working in the forum thread, so check here for the photobucket links: http://www.43rumors.com/ edit: I would say that 3200 is about as far as I would want to go. Last edited by pingflood; 02-13-2012 at 07:45 AM.

02-13-2012, 07:47 AM	#608
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	My experience says that firmware 1.00 can modify IQ just a bit...In any camera of any system

02-13-2012, 07:49 AM	#609
K1D27H Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Nakhon Pathom, Thailand Photos: Gallery Posts: 109	Originally posted by pingflood Here are some other samples, up to ISO 25600. OM-D E-M5 ISO TEST (by???) Part I - 4/3 M43 ????? - ??? ??4/3?M43???? Olympus / Panasonic Hong Kong forum Of course, we have yet to see any results from production cameras so will be interesting to see how they look. The E-P3 is good enough for me, and I can't imagine the E-M5 being worse. For instance, here is 12,800: http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/E-M5ISO-19.jpg Looks like some links aren't working in the forum thread, so check here for the photobucket links: 43 Rumors \| Home edit: I would say that 3200 is about as far as I would want to go. I would push it to 6400 if the situation requires and do some post with. But beyond that it is hardly worth the effort.

02-13-2012, 07:52 AM	#610
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by pingflood Here are some other samples, up to ISO 25600. OM-D E-M5 ISO TEST (by???) Part I - 4/3 M43 ????? - ??? ??4/3?M43???? Olympus / Panasonic Hong Kong forum Of course, we have yet to see any results from production cameras so will be interesting to see how they look. The E-P3 is good enough for me, and I can't imagine the E-M5 being worse. For instance, here is 12,800: http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/E-M5ISO-19.jpg Looks like some links aren't working in the forum thread, so check here for the photobucket links: 43 Rumors \| Home edit: I would say that 3200 is about as far as I would want to go. Agreed on ISO 3200... That is at ISO 6400.. there's so much destructive effect on the image quality already that you can't even read some of the smaller letters. ISO 25600 is just a joke.

02-13-2012, 07:58 AM	#611
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Yeah, 25600 is just so they can brag about it, don't think anyone will find it practically useful. As for noise reduction, will be nice to see how a decently processed raw file compares to the jpegs. Lightroom 3 has pretty impressive NR.

02-13-2012, 11:22 AM	#612
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	The Yellow K-01 is the top selling color on Amazon: YELLOW: Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #3,448 in Camera & Photo WHITE: Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #8,023 in Camera & Photo BLACK: Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #6,234 in Camera & Photo The Fuji has fallen, but it is because Amazon has sold out and it is back to a waiting list. Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #525 in Camera & Photo. Maybe Pentax can catch Fuji before more stock arrives..... Maybe.... All four of the Olympus options are listed in the top 10 of Amazons sales rankings. Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #1 in Electronics > Camera & Photo > Digital Cameras > Compact System Cameras #18 in Camera & Photo > Lenses ALL BLACK BODY WITH KIT LENS. We know all of Fuji sales are to "NEW" users. Since the Olympus body + kit lens is ranking so strong you have to assume a large number of buyers are new to the system. Body only sales for Olympus are also really strong so their must be a significant number of "upgrading" existing buyers. The K-01 is falling like a rock. I figured there would be a weekend sales bump for the K-01, but there was no bump. The K-01 continues to fall. NOTE: If you don't think the sales rankings from the largest on-line retailer are a good source then please post a more accurate source for sales rankings before bitching about it.

02-13-2012, 11:32 AM	#613
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by pingflood Yeah, 25600 is just so they can brag about it, don't think anyone will find it practically useful. As for noise reduction, will be nice to see how a decently processed raw file compares to the jpegs. Lightroom 3 has pretty impressive NR. 43 Rumors \| Blog \| HOT: Complete Olympus E-M5 ISO test You can see the noise reduction at work, and this does not appear to be really challenging light, but this actually very good for a camera at this price point.

02-13-2012, 11:44 AM	#614
pingflood Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Borås, Sweden Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,169	Yeah, I do want to see a raw file done in LR3 or similar before passing judgment though; it is rare that in-camera NR is particularly impressive.

02-13-2012, 12:11 PM	#615
westmill Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Stoke on Trent Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,146	The four thirds system has always been not bad upto 1600 ISO. For some, that can be enough. One of the good things about the four thirds system is the sort of inherent built in ability of producing high quality images with a bit of depth with fast lenses used wide open. The ability to use a wider aprature makes up a bit for the lack of high ISO performance. I never like going above 800 ISO and used that as my basic ceiling, so there is some improvement in performance.