"This is the Volvo of Camera Design"

**TER-OR** · 02-03-2012, 12:18 PM

I think it's a failed analogy. It's the Scion Xb/Kia Soul/Nissan Qube. Boxy and nerdy are the new cool. The kids like the boxy designs now. This might be the thought - a bump up from cellphone cameras into something worth spending a bit of money on.

zantaphia · 02-03-2012, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Geoff H

Volvo were very close to bankrupcy and were bailed by their government in 2010

Ford Motor Company owned Volvo Cars. Ford were close to bankrupcy, just as GM and Chrysler. Ford solď Volvo Cars. Now Volvo Cars is very profitable and increases marketshares. No goverment intervention at all. Just great cars, designed around you.

dgaies · 02-03-2012, 02:56 PM

IMO, every Volvo I've owned has been more attractive than the K-01. This includes the 740, 850, V70 and XC90

mclarenman01 · 02-03-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Geoff H

Volvo were very close to bankrupcy and were bailed by their government in 2010

Not very surprising... With the exception of some of the Korean manufacturers, a couple of Germans and a few exotic brands I think most makes have been bailed out by governments

**monochrome** · 02-03-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by mclarenman01

Not very surprising... With the exception of some of the Korean manufacturers, a couple of Germans and a few exotic brands I think most makes have been bailed out by governments

How much has McLaren borrowed to finance its F1 effort - EUR1.6Bbn at last reckoning? Are they next?

The Koreans (Daewoo, Hyundai/Kia) were bailed out in the 90's. At that time this collapse was predicted. There was 23% excess capacity globally - which has now been resolved.

Japan escaped unscathed.

VW/Porsche was a fun ride, wasn't it?

Subaru made a PROFIT throughout the crisis - only global car maker to do that. GM sold its interest in Subaru (32% of Fuji Heavy Industries) to Toyota for $1.1bbn, Desperation move, eh?

Ford never got a dime from the government - and they werre never close to insolvency. They de-levered just in time, and had a $32bbn cash horde. They invested in all the new car designs you see on the road now. The Volvo sale to Geely didn't even close until October 2010 - well after the crisis.

And if he considers Volvo a Swedish company any more he's been eating too much reindeer. Volvo is a Chinese company.

zantaphia · 02-03-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by mclarenman01

Not very surprising... With the exception of some of the Korean manufacturers, a couple of Germans and a few exotic brands I think most makes have been bailed out by governments

If you do your homework you will find that Ford sold Volvo Cars to Geely Holding Ltd. No government bailout like the US government did for GM.

mclarenman01 · 02-03-2012, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by zantaphia

If you do your homework you will find that Ford sold Volvo Cars to Geely Holding Ltd. No government bailout like the US government did for GM.

Very interesting, also I didn't say that Volvo had been bailed out (Geoff H said that) I was just saying that it wouldn't suprise me if they had been.

Here in Australia we are constantly giving money to the auto industry. Its one of the Australian Labor Parties favorite ways to waste my taxes and buy themselves some votes.

So Volvo is owned by the Chinese now?

zantaphia · 02-04-2012, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by mclarenman01

Very interesting, also I didn't say that Volvo had been bailed out (Geoff H said that) I was just saying that it wouldn't suprise me if they had been.

Here in Australia we are constantly giving money to the auto industry. Its one of the Australian Labor Parties favorite ways to waste my taxes and buy themselves some votes.

So Volvo is owned by the Chinese now?

Yes. And that also means that Volvo has a new homemarket in China now. Imagine 30% marketshare in China... It's better to have an owner (Geely) that cares and invests, than an owner (Ford) that don't.
Compare Pentax owners Hoya and Ricoh? Wich do you think is best for Pentax?

Class A · 02-04-2012, 01:27 AM

I liked the "Volvo" remark in the video and clearly "boxiness" is the common attribute, however, I believe that the old, boxy Volvo design has what it takes to become a classic.

The K-01? Not so much. That's why I feel a "Volvo" comparison is ultimately not a good fit. It flatters the K-01 too much.

Col · 02-04-2012, 01:47 AM - **1 Like**

Jasvox · 02-04-2012, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by Adam

Did that quote make anyone else laugh?

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I did laugh actually. Considering I own a 1976 Volvo and a 2001 Saab, you'd think I'd find the K-01 attractive. To me it reminds me more of a 1986 Chevrolet Chevette.

Jason

**monochrome** · 02-04-2012, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by Class A

I liked the "Volvo" remark in the video and clearly "boxiness" is the common attribute, however, I believe that the old, boxy Volvo design has what it takes to become a classic.

The K-01? Not so much. That's why I feel a "Volvo" comparison is ultimately not a good fit. It flatters the K-01 too much.

Someone posted this elsewhere. Here it is again just for grins:

Volvo. Boxy, But Good. (Are you crazy?)

dgaies · 02-04-2012, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Class A

The K-01? Not so much. That's why I feel a "Volvo" comparison is ultimately not a good fit. It flatters the K-01 too much.

+1.

Couldn't agree more, though as I pointed out earlier, I might be a little biased as I've owned Volvo bodies a lot longer than Pentax bodies

sterretje · 02-04-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Adam

Volvo's are functional, safe cars. They're not sports cars or fashion items, though they have improved greatly over the box cars they had a decade or two ago.

You can say so

I hope philbaum does not mind that I borrow his picture from this thread

philbaum · 02-04-2012, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by sterretje

You can say so

I hope philbaum does not mind that I borrow his picture from this thread

You're welcome to borrow it. I've always had a good opinion of Volvos: real reputation for durability and functional design, such as higher ground clearance for more rugged terrain.

Phil

02-03-2012, 03:19 PM	#20
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by mclarenman01 Not very surprising... With the exception of some of the Korean manufacturers, a couple of Germans and a few exotic brands I think most makes have been bailed out by governments How much has McLaren borrowed to finance its F1 effort - EUR1.6Bbn at last reckoning? Are they next? The Koreans (Daewoo, Hyundai/Kia) were bailed out in the 90's. At that time this collapse was predicted. There was 23% excess capacity globally - which has now been resolved. Japan escaped unscathed. VW/Porsche was a fun ride, wasn't it? Subaru made a PROFIT throughout the crisis - only global car maker to do that. GM sold its interest in Subaru (32% of Fuji Heavy Industries) to Toyota for $1.1bbn, Desperation move, eh? Ford never got a dime from the government - and they werre never close to insolvency. They de-levered just in time, and had a $32bbn cash horde. They invested in all the new car designs you see on the road now. The Volvo sale to Geely didn't even close until October 2010 - well after the crisis. And if he considers Volvo a Swedish company any more he's been eating too much reindeer. Volvo is a Chinese company. Last edited by monochrome; 02-03-2012 at 06:04 PM.

02-04-2012, 12:49 AM	#23
zantaphia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Klippan, Scania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 509	Originally posted by mclarenman01 Very interesting, also I didn't say that Volvo had been bailed out (Geoff H said that) I was just saying that it wouldn't suprise me if they had been. Here in Australia we are constantly giving money to the auto industry. Its one of the Australian Labor Parties favorite ways to waste my taxes and buy themselves some votes. So Volvo is owned by the Chinese now? Yes. And that also means that Volvo has a new homemarket in China now. Imagine 30% marketshare in China... It's better to have an owner (Geely) that cares and invests, than an owner (Ford) that don't. Compare Pentax owners Hoya and Ricoh? Wich do you think is best for Pentax? Last edited by zantaphia; 02-04-2012 at 12:54 AM.

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sterretje Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Roodepoort, South Africa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,561	Originally posted by Adam Volvo's are functional, safe cars. They're not sports cars or fashion items, though they have improved greatly over the box cars they had a decade or two ago. You can say so I hope philbaum does not mind that I borrow his picture from this thread Last edited by sterretje; 02-04-2012 at 12:09 PM.

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02-03-2012, 12:18 PM	#16
TER-OR Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Dundee, IL Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,699	I think it's a failed analogy. It's the Scion Xb/Kia Soul/Nissan Qube. Boxy and nerdy are the new cool. The kids like the boxy designs now. This might be the thought - a bump up from cellphone cameras into something worth spending a bit of money on.

02-03-2012, 02:44 PM	#17
zantaphia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Klippan, Scania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 509	Originally posted by Geoff H Volvo were very close to bankrupcy and were bailed by their government in 2010 Ford Motor Company owned Volvo Cars. Ford were close to bankrupcy, just as GM and Chrysler. Ford solď Volvo Cars. Now Volvo Cars is very profitable and increases marketshares. No goverment intervention at all. Just great cars, designed around you.

02-03-2012, 02:56 PM	#18
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	IMO, every Volvo I've owned has been more attractive than the K-01. This includes the 740, 850, V70 and XC90

02-03-2012, 03:07 PM	#19
mclarenman01 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 109	Originally posted by Geoff H Volvo were very close to bankrupcy and were bailed by their government in 2010 Not very surprising... With the exception of some of the Korean manufacturers, a couple of Germans and a few exotic brands I think most makes have been bailed out by governments

02-03-2012, 03:37 PM	#21
zantaphia Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Klippan, Scania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 509	Originally posted by mclarenman01 Not very surprising... With the exception of some of the Korean manufacturers, a couple of Germans and a few exotic brands I think most makes have been bailed out by governments If you do your homework you will find that Ford sold Volvo Cars to Geely Holding Ltd. No government bailout like the US government did for GM.

02-03-2012, 05:16 PM	#22
mclarenman01 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 109	Originally posted by zantaphia If you do your homework you will find that Ford sold Volvo Cars to Geely Holding Ltd. No government bailout like the US government did for GM. Very interesting, also I didn't say that Volvo had been bailed out (Geoff H said that) I was just saying that it wouldn't suprise me if they had been. Here in Australia we are constantly giving money to the auto industry. Its one of the Australian Labor Parties favorite ways to waste my taxes and buy themselves some votes. So Volvo is owned by the Chinese now?

02-04-2012, 01:27 AM	#24
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	I liked the "Volvo" remark in the video and clearly "boxiness" is the common attribute, however, I believe that the old, boxy Volvo design has what it takes to become a classic. The K-01? Not so much. That's why I feel a "Volvo" comparison is ultimately not a good fit. It flatters the K-01 too much.

02-04-2012, 03:02 AM	#26
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	Originally posted by Adam Did that quote make anyone else laugh? [/url] I did laugh actually. Considering I own a 1976 Volvo and a 2001 Saab, you'd think I'd find the K-01 attractive. To me it reminds me more of a 1986 Chevrolet Chevette. Jason

02-04-2012, 06:19 AM	#27
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Class A I liked the "Volvo" remark in the video and clearly "boxiness" is the common attribute, however, I believe that the old, boxy Volvo design has what it takes to become a classic. The K-01? Not so much. That's why I feel a "Volvo" comparison is ultimately not a good fit. It flatters the K-01 too much. Someone posted this elsewhere. Here it is again just for grins: Volvo. Boxy, But Good. (Are you crazy?)

02-04-2012, 06:24 AM	#28
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by Class A The K-01? Not so much. That's why I feel a "Volvo" comparison is ultimately not a good fit. It flatters the K-01 too much. +1. Couldn't agree more, though as I pointed out earlier, I might be a little biased as I've owned Volvo bodies a lot longer than Pentax bodies

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02-04-2012, 02:23 PM	#30
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by sterretje You can say so I hope philbaum does not mind that I borrow his picture from this thread You're welcome to borrow it. I've always had a good opinion of Volvos: real reputation for durability and functional design, such as higher ground clearance for more rugged terrain. Phil