xs zoomlens for K-01

RonHendriks1966 · 02-10-2012, 06:10 PM

I'm not shore if it belongs here or in the lenssection, but I think there is a need for a small zoomlens that is only to be used on K-01. So a lens that uses the space inside the camera, where dslr's have their mirror. Which would place this thread in the mirrorless K-01 section.

I was looking around to what to compare this camera with and came upon the Canon powershot G1x that futures a large sensor, but has a lens that is part of the body. That camera is also a step-up for people who come from P&S or want a back-up or handy small camera to carry along their dslr's.

Compare the sizes:
Compare camera dimensions side by side
The Canon does have some futures that we don't find on K-01 like articulated screen. But mainly it is a small package with the lens folded down when not in use.

For K-01 there is for a zoom only the current 18-55mm kitlens wich is big. Also it is not as what is usual for upgraders from P&S a 4x or 5x zoomlens, but only 3x zoom.

So I think that there should be a nice small zoomlens be made. That uses the space inside the camera and when possible retracts somewhat when not in use for putting this pack in your bag. I would say that 4x zoom would be nice.

DA 17-75mm/f2.8-f4.5 xs when wide angle is important or DA 20-90mm/f2.8-f4.5 xs when it is more a wide/normal to short tele lens. Or something alike would make a great lens!

Any ideas on this? Should it future powerzoom (can K-01 run that?)? Or some sort of DC motor to be silent for movie-mode?

Last edited by RonHendriks1966; 02-10-2012 at 06:23 PM.

Tonto · 02-10-2012, 06:17 PM

+1 for powerzoom which would suit video use- also retracts on power down.

Interesting if they can do something like the Panasonic 14-42 Pancake zoom?

I feel it would have to be a 3x zoom to be small enough on APS-C.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-10-2012, 06:36 PM

Well I would like some very different things at the same time.

I would like

up to 5x zoom
good image quality
a fast lens
as small as possible when in use (therefor xs)
as small as possible when stored (so retracted)
not to expensive

Not everything is possible, so there is a need for an engineer to design something in the middle that meets a lot of desires. :ugh:

Tonto · 02-10-2012, 07:53 PM

So XS version of the DA 17-70 f4 ?

or maybe an APSC version of the FA 28-80

I use mine for the few occasions I shoot video on my K7.

ogl · 02-11-2012, 12:02 AM

I think XS zooms could be only short lenses. No above 3x.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-11-2012, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I think XS zooms could be only short lenses. No above 3x.

Well making it 4x zooms would be a trade off into some parts like how small it is or how fast it is. I guess. I rather have a 4x zoom that starts at f3.2 then a 3x zoom to get f2.8 or so.

On the XS-side. So where is an optimum to use the maximum space inside the camera? So would a zoom starting at 16/17/18mm go deeper into the camera then a zoom starting at 20mm or 24mm? Since using most of that space as possible would make that lens shorter (when you look at the front what is sticking out of the camera).

joelovotti · 02-11-2012, 08:19 AM

I'm was not planning on buying any XS lenses for my new K-01, BUT, if a great 3-4X Zoom came out that took full advantage of the K-01 body design. One that protruded no more than 1.5" from the body. One that had a 2.8 max aperture. Then I could get excited.

It would allow me a great walk-around point-and-shoot setup that produced fabulous images. Something worth investing in a new lest for.

My current plan is to use my old manual focus glass and the Peak/Peek Focus function to get back to enjoying full manual photography again. My A50 1.4 and my A35-105 are going to look great on this camera.

**monochrome** · 02-11-2012, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by joelovotti

I'm was not planning on buying any XS lenses for my new K-01, BUT, if a great 3-4X Zoom came out that took full advantage of the K-01 body design. One that protruded no more than 1.5" from the body. One that had a 2.8 max aperture. Then I could get excited.

It would allow me a great walk-around point-and-shoot setup that produced fabulous images. Something worth investing in a new lest for.

My current plan is to use my old manual focus glass and the Peak/Peek Focus function to get back to enjoying full manual photography again. My A50 1.4 and my A35-105 are going to look great on this camera.

K35/3.5 on mine. Its the colors.

RonHendriks1966 · 03-04-2012, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by joelovotti

I'm was not planning on buying any XS lenses for my new K-01, BUT, if a great 3-4X Zoom came out that took full advantage of the K-01 body design. One that protruded no more than 1.5" from the body. One that had a 2.8 max aperture. Then I could get excited.

It would allow me a great walk-around point-and-shoot setup that produced fabulous images. Something worth investing in a new lest for.

'+1 on that.

ibkc · 03-04-2012, 09:48 AM

I could get excited about that. I managed to get back my old 18-55 F3.5-5.6 SMC DA AL that came with the *ist DL that I passed along to my niece to use with my K-01, but it's not like this is a fantastic lens, just a utility lens to have until I can get something better. Otherwise my only lenses for this camera will be the DA 40mm XS that ships with it, a 50mm Rokinen prime that is made for film cameras, and a 50mm Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar with an adapter.

jake14mw · 03-05-2012, 12:18 PM

I definitely agree that they should make a XS specific small zoom lens for the K-01. The key is that it has to be small and take advantage of the space inside. I think for some people moving over from a P&S, if they can't get a small zoom lens, that would be a deal breaker. I think the 40xs is a great idea for a lens, but you also have to have a zoom for many people. Priorities:

1) small
2) inexpensive
3) IQ
4) big zoom range
5) large aperature

If someone is overly concerned with 3, 4, or 5, they can get an existing K-mount lens.

pinholecam · 03-05-2012, 07:25 PM

Don't know about the XS zoom, but I think if one is logical about the G1x and K-01, the K-01 beats the G1x at everything at a cheaper price.

RonHendriks1966 · 03-06-2012, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by pinholecam

Don't know about the XS zoom, but I think if one is logical about the G1x and K-01, the K-01 beats the G1x at everything at a cheaper price.

Absolutely true. I guess the XS Zoom would be for people who don't ever use a fixed focal lengt and only would buy K-01 when that smal zoom is there. Also I would like to have it for holiday trips.

02-10-2012, 06:10 PM	#1
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	xs zoomlens for K-01 I'm not shore if it belongs here or in the lenssection, but I think there is a need for a small zoomlens that is only to be used on K-01. So a lens that uses the space inside the camera, where dslr's have their mirror. Which would place this thread in the mirrorless K-01 section. I was looking around to what to compare this camera with and came upon the Canon powershot G1x that futures a large sensor, but has a lens that is part of the body. That camera is also a step-up for people who come from P&S or want a back-up or handy small camera to carry along their dslr's. Compare the sizes: Compare camera dimensions side by side The Canon does have some futures that we don't find on K-01 like articulated screen. But mainly it is a small package with the lens folded down when not in use. For K-01 there is for a zoom only the current 18-55mm kitlens wich is big. Also it is not as what is usual for upgraders from P&S a 4x or 5x zoomlens, but only 3x zoom. So I think that there should be a nice small zoomlens be made. That uses the space inside the camera and when possible retracts somewhat when not in use for putting this pack in your bag. I would say that 4x zoom would be nice. DA 17-75mm/f2.8-f4.5 xs when wide angle is important or DA 20-90mm/f2.8-f4.5 xs when it is more a wide/normal to short tele lens. Or something alike would make a great lens! Any ideas on this? Should it future powerzoom (can K-01 run that?)? Or some sort of DC motor to be silent for movie-mode? Last edited by RonHendriks1966; 02-10-2012 at 06:23 PM.

02-10-2012, 06:36 PM	#3
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Well I would like some very different things at the same time. I would like up to 5x zoom good image quality a fast lens as small as possible when in use (therefor xs) as small as possible when stored (so retracted) not to expensive Not everything is possible, so there is a need for an engineer to design something in the middle that meets a lot of desires. :ugh:

02-10-2012, 06:17 PM	#2
Tonto Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wellington Posts: 969	+1 for powerzoom which would suit video use- also retracts on power down. Interesting if they can do something like the Panasonic 14-42 Pancake zoom? I feel it would have to be a 3x zoom to be small enough on APS-C.

02-10-2012, 07:53 PM	#4
Tonto Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wellington Posts: 969	So XS version of the DA 17-70 f4 ? or maybe an APSC version of the FA 28-80 I use mine for the few occasions I shoot video on my K7.

02-11-2012, 12:02 AM	#5
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	I think XS zooms could be only short lenses. No above 3x.

02-11-2012, 04:33 AM	#6
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Originally posted by ogl I think XS zooms could be only short lenses. No above 3x. Well making it 4x zooms would be a trade off into some parts like how small it is or how fast it is. I guess. I rather have a 4x zoom that starts at f3.2 then a 3x zoom to get f2.8 or so. On the XS-side. So where is an optimum to use the maximum space inside the camera? So would a zoom starting at 16/17/18mm go deeper into the camera then a zoom starting at 20mm or 24mm? Since using most of that space as possible would make that lens shorter (when you look at the front what is sticking out of the camera).

02-11-2012, 08:19 AM	#7
joelovotti Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: US Photos: Albums Posts: 393	I'm was not planning on buying any XS lenses for my new K-01, BUT, if a great 3-4X Zoom came out that took full advantage of the K-01 body design. One that protruded no more than 1.5" from the body. One that had a 2.8 max aperture. Then I could get excited. It would allow me a great walk-around point-and-shoot setup that produced fabulous images. Something worth investing in a new lest for. My current plan is to use my old manual focus glass and the Peak/Peek Focus function to get back to enjoying full manual photography again. My A50 1.4 and my A35-105 are going to look great on this camera.

02-11-2012, 08:40 AM	#8
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by joelovotti I'm was not planning on buying any XS lenses for my new K-01, BUT, if a great 3-4X Zoom came out that took full advantage of the K-01 body design. One that protruded no more than 1.5" from the body. One that had a 2.8 max aperture. Then I could get excited. It would allow me a great walk-around point-and-shoot setup that produced fabulous images. Something worth investing in a new lest for. My current plan is to use my old manual focus glass and the Peak/Peek Focus function to get back to enjoying full manual photography again. My A50 1.4 and my A35-105 are going to look great on this camera. K35/3.5 on mine. Its the colors.

03-04-2012, 08:35 AM	#9
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Originally posted by joelovotti I'm was not planning on buying any XS lenses for my new K-01, BUT, if a great 3-4X Zoom came out that took full advantage of the K-01 body design. One that protruded no more than 1.5" from the body. One that had a 2.8 max aperture. Then I could get excited. It would allow me a great walk-around point-and-shoot setup that produced fabulous images. Something worth investing in a new lest for. '+1 on that.

03-04-2012, 09:48 AM	#10
ibkc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: southeastern US Photos: Gallery Posts: 203	I could get excited about that. I managed to get back my old 18-55 F3.5-5.6 SMC DA AL that came with the *ist DL that I passed along to my niece to use with my K-01, but it's not like this is a fantastic lens, just a utility lens to have until I can get something better. Otherwise my only lenses for this camera will be the DA 40mm XS that ships with it, a 50mm Rokinen prime that is made for film cameras, and a 50mm Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar with an adapter.

03-05-2012, 12:18 PM	#11
jake14mw Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Connecticut, USA Posts: 977	I definitely agree that they should make a XS specific small zoom lens for the K-01. The key is that it has to be small and take advantage of the space inside. I think for some people moving over from a P&S, if they can't get a small zoom lens, that would be a deal breaker. I think the 40xs is a great idea for a lens, but you also have to have a zoom for many people. Priorities: 1) small 2) inexpensive 3) IQ 4) big zoom range 5) large aperature If someone is overly concerned with 3, 4, or 5, they can get an existing K-mount lens.

03-05-2012, 07:25 PM	#12
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Don't know about the XS zoom, but I think if one is logical about the G1x and K-01, the K-01 beats the G1x at everything at a cheaper price.

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03-06-2012, 02:47 AM	#13
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675 Original Poster	Originally posted by pinholecam Don't know about the XS zoom, but I think if one is logical about the G1x and K-01, the K-01 beats the G1x at everything at a cheaper price. Absolutely true. I guess the XS Zoom would be for people who don't ever use a fixed focal lengt and only would buy K-01 when that smal zoom is there. Also I would like to have it for holiday trips.