K-01 vs K-5 (JPG, DNG, ISO100~25600) - Full Size Samples.

nah · 03-06-2012, 03:06 PM

OK, I went through and didn't see anyone mention it.

Was it me or the G3's IQ look better than the K-5 and K-01? Was the focus missed from the K-5 and K-01?

Good job on the comparisons Frank.

JinDesu · 03-06-2012, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by nah

OK, I went through and didn't see anyone mention it.

Was it me or the G3's IQ look better than the K-5 and K-01? Was the focus missed from the K-5 and K-01?

Good job on the comparisons Frank.

You're right - I didn't even look at the G3 pictures. They do look sharper than the K-5 pictures.

cbaytan · 03-06-2012, 03:17 PM

I wish comparison would be K-5 at ISO 80 vs K-01 at ISO 100, to be able to compare the best results of the both cameras. Thanks Frank.

raider · 03-06-2012, 03:50 PM - **1 Like**

Man, with reviewers like frank, we don't need dpreviews or any other review site! Awesome works Frank!!

pinholecam · 03-06-2012, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by nah

OK, I went through and didn't see anyone mention it.

Was it me or the G3's IQ look better than the K-5 and K-01? Was the focus missed from the K-5 and K-01?

Good job on the comparisons Frank.

I'm not surprised.
I have a G3 too, its very capable, esp at low iso and the primes are generally very sharp in the center.
In this case its the pana leica 25/1.4 which is a fantastic lens

JohnBee · 03-06-2012, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by JinDesu

You're right - I didn't even look at the G3 pictures. They do look sharper than the K-5 pictures.

Wow so true!
Noisy at 200 but indeed much sharper by default.
Completely overlooked that by assuming they were just not worth looking at

desmoface · 03-06-2012, 05:58 PM

I kind of noticed the same thing, it all starts to fall apart above 1600 (g3), but the g3 is better (to my untrained eyes) under 1600. Still, nothing to complain about with any of the camera's mentioned here.

Steve

Last edited by desmoface; 03-07-2012 at 07:38 AM.

richard balonglong · 03-06-2012, 09:32 PM

Frank, I hope you don't mind me that I downloaded one of your .DNG photo then re-posted it here.
I just wanted to share my thoughts on the K-01's IQ.

Thank you!
_________________________________________________________________________

Here, I edited one of Frank's RAW photograph (.DNG) using ACR in Photoshop CS5 to see and share the IQ of K-01 at ISO 100.
Basically, I pumped up the Recovery and Fill Light to see the dynamic range and how well are the details...

Adobe Camera Raw CS5
* Recovery = 100
* Fill Light = 100
* added a Contrast and a bit of Clarity
* added some Vibrance and Saturation
* Note: I didn't added anything to Sharpness and Noise Reduction

Edited Photo
I'm not a big fan of HDR photography, but in here, I just want to test the IQ and DR.

Cropped it at 100%
Here's a closer look of the image. We can see that the black areas didn't clipped (and we can see the photographer in that reflection) and and even the highlight area, except for the light source located at the upper right hand corner.

*** This Pentax K-01 really gives quality result. Small camera but kicks a$$. hehe.

Even at higher ISO (look at Frank's other sample images) it still performed well. ***

frank · 03-07-2012, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by raider

Man, with reviewers like frank, we don't need dpreviews or any other review site! Awesome works Frank!!

Well, those dpreviewers make a living by doing excellent reviews, I'd slept a lot less in the past a few days doing a much simpler report only

frank · 03-07-2012, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by richard balonglong

Frank, I hope you don't mind me that I downloaded one of your .DNG photo then re-posted it here.
I just wanted to share my thoughts on the K-01's IQ.

Thank you!
_________________________________________________________________________

Here, I edited one of Frank's RAW photograph (.DNG) using ACR in Photoshop CS5 to see and share the IQ of K-01 at ISO 100.
Basically, I pumped up the Recovery and Fill Light to see the dynamic range and how well are the details...

Adobe Camera Raw CS5
* Recovery = 100
* Fill Light = 100
* added a Contrast and a bit of Clarity
* added some Vibrance and Saturation
* Note: I didn't added anything to Sharpness and Noise Reduction

Edited Photo
I'm not a big fan of HDR photography, but in here, I just want to test the IQ and DR.

Cropped it at 100%
Here's a closer look of the image. We can see that the black areas didn't clipped (and we can see the photographer in that reflection) and and even the highlight area, except for the light source located at the upper right hand corner.

*** This Pentax K-01 really gives quality result. Small camera but kicks a$$. hehe.

Even at higher ISO (look at Frank's other sample images) it still performed well. ***

Wow! Didn't know you could bring out my reflection on the bottle, other wise I'd dress up properly

JinDesu · 03-07-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by richard balonglong

Frank, I hope you don't mind me that I downloaded one of your .DNG photo then re-posted it here.
I just wanted to share my thoughts on the K-01's IQ.

Thank you!
_________________________________________________________________________

Here, I edited one of Frank's RAW photograph (.DNG) using ACR in Photoshop CS5 to see and share the IQ of K-01 at ISO 100.
Basically, I pumped up the Recovery and Fill Light to see the dynamic range and how well are the details...

Adobe Camera Raw CS5
* Recovery = 100
* Fill Light = 100
* added a Contrast and a bit of Clarity
* added some Vibrance and Saturation
* Note: I didn't added anything to Sharpness and Noise Reduction

Edited Photo
I'm not a big fan of HDR photography, but in here, I just want to test the IQ and DR.

Cropped it at 100%
Here's a closer look of the image. We can see that the black areas didn't clipped (and we can see the photographer in that reflection) and and even the highlight area, except for the light source located at the upper right hand corner.

*** This Pentax K-01 really gives quality result. Small camera but kicks a$$. hehe.

Even at higher ISO (look at Frank's other sample images) it still performed well. ***

I'm sorta amazed that the box reflected to the left of the bottle is legible in the recovery.

frank · 03-07-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by nah

OK, I went through and didn't see anyone mention it.

Was it me or the G3's IQ look better than the K-5 and K-01? Was the focus missed from the K-5 and K-01?

Good job on the comparisons Frank.

I tried my best to focus properly on K-01 and K-5, and reviewed the results on LCD screen so I'd make sure the focusing was spot on (AF results were much softer than what I got w/ manual focus in Live View). And I also purposely stopped down to F5.6 on K5/K01 and F4 on G3 to get enough DOF so to reduce the effect of focusing error.

If you download the full size pictures, you'd see even on the tin, G3 photos are still a bit sharper:

G3:

K-01:

G3 photos are sharper, but colors from K-01/K-5 photos are nicer even at ISO200, G3 photo is much noisier too. And if you look at the reflection part (lower right half), K-01 photo retain more details as well:

G3 at ISO200:

K-01 at ISO200:

frank · 03-07-2012, 05:58 PM

And the Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 is indeed a very sharp lens, especially at center. I can't find its review at photozone. But they did have a review for its big brother, the 4/3 version PL25/1.4. I read some guys said the new one is as good if not better than the earler 4/3 version.

Here is the MTF for the earlier PL25/1.4:

For a comparison, our FA31:

pinholecam · 03-07-2012, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by frank

And the Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 is indeed a very sharp lens, especially at center. I can't find its review at photozone. But they did have a review for its big brother, the 4/3 version PL25/1.4. I read some guys said the new one is as good if not better than the earler 4/3 version.

Here is the MTF for the earlier PL25/1.4:

For a comparison, our FA31:

Yes, in fact of the m4/3 lenses are very good for center sharpness.

JohnBee · 03-08-2012, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by frank

I tried my best to focus properly on K-01 and K-5, and reviewed the results on LCD screen so I'd make sure the focusing was spot on (AF results were much softer than what I got w/ manual focus in Live View). And I also purposely stopped down to F5.6 on K5/K01 and F4 on G3 to get enough DOF so to reduce the effect of focusing error.

If you download the full size pictures, you'd see even on the tin, G3 photos are still a bit sharper:

G3:

K-01:

G3 photos are sharper, but colors from K-01/K-5 photos are nicer even at ISO200, G3 photo is much noisier too. And if you look at the reflection part (lower right half), K-01 photo retain more details as well:

G3 at ISO200:

K-01 at ISO200:

Thanks again for the efforts Frank.

I find the G3 output to be most definitely interesting against the K's. Though I don't have the time now, but I've set my sights on using it as a new baseline for my RAW default profiles(settings).

Having said that, can you confirm or deny that I'm seeing moire patters in the G3 sample? I didn't get the chance to investigate or pixel peep the images but from here, it looks like there are vertical aliasing patterns in some of the colored patterns on the can.

03-06-2012, 09:32 PM	#68
richard balonglong Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Baguio City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 350	Analyzing the K-01's Image @ ISO 100 (Photos by Frank) Frank, I hope you don't mind me that I downloaded one of your .DNG photo then re-posted it here. I just wanted to share my thoughts on the K-01's IQ. Thank you! _________________________________________________________________________ Here, I edited one of Frank's RAW photograph (.DNG) using ACR in Photoshop CS5 to see and share the IQ of K-01 at ISO 100. Basically, I pumped up the Recovery and Fill Light to see the dynamic range and how well are the details... Adobe Camera Raw CS5 * Recovery = 100 * Fill Light = 100 * added a Contrast and a bit of Clarity * added some Vibrance and Saturation * Note: I didn't added anything to Sharpness and Noise Reduction Edited Photo I'm not a big fan of HDR photography, but in here, I just want to test the IQ and DR. Cropped it at 100% Here's a closer look of the image. We can see that the black areas didn't clipped (and we can see the photographer in that reflection) and and even the highlight area, except for the light source located at the upper right hand corner. * This Pentax K-01 really gives quality result. Small camera but kicks a$$. hehe. Even at higher ISO (look at Frank's other sample images) it still performed well. *

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03-06-2012, 03:06 PM	#61
nah Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Westminster, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 282	OK, I went through and didn't see anyone mention it. Was it me or the G3's IQ look better than the K-5 and K-01? Was the focus missed from the K-5 and K-01? Good job on the comparisons Frank.

03-06-2012, 03:15 PM	#62
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by nah OK, I went through and didn't see anyone mention it. Was it me or the G3's IQ look better than the K-5 and K-01? Was the focus missed from the K-5 and K-01? Good job on the comparisons Frank. You're right - I didn't even look at the G3 pictures. They do look sharper than the K-5 pictures.

03-06-2012, 03:17 PM	#63
cbaytan Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Trabzon/Turkey Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,010	I wish comparison would be K-5 at ISO 80 vs K-01 at ISO 100, to be able to compare the best results of the both cameras. Thanks Frank.

03-06-2012, 03:50 PM - 1 Like	#64
raider Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Perth, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,989	Man, with reviewers like frank, we don't need dpreviews or any other review site! Awesome works Frank!!

03-06-2012, 04:29 PM	#65
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Originally posted by nah OK, I went through and didn't see anyone mention it. Was it me or the G3's IQ look better than the K-5 and K-01? Was the focus missed from the K-5 and K-01? Good job on the comparisons Frank. I'm not surprised. I have a G3 too, its very capable, esp at low iso and the primes are generally very sharp in the center. In this case its the pana leica 25/1.4 which is a fantastic lens

03-06-2012, 04:29 PM	#66
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by JinDesu You're right - I didn't even look at the G3 pictures. They do look sharper than the K-5 pictures. Wow so true! Noisy at 200 but indeed much sharper by default. Completely overlooked that by assuming they were just not worth looking at

03-06-2012, 05:58 PM	#67
desmoface New Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 21	I kind of noticed the same thing, it all starts to fall apart above 1600 (g3), but the g3 is better (to my untrained eyes) under 1600. Still, nothing to complain about with any of the camera's mentioned here. Steve Last edited by desmoface; 03-07-2012 at 07:38 AM.

03-07-2012, 06:10 AM	#69
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by raider Man, with reviewers like frank, we don't need dpreviews or any other review site! Awesome works Frank!! Well, those dpreviewers make a living by doing excellent reviews, I'd slept a lot less in the past a few days doing a much simpler report only

03-07-2012, 08:39 AM	#70
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by richard balonglong Frank, I hope you don't mind me that I downloaded one of your .DNG photo then re-posted it here. I just wanted to share my thoughts on the K-01's IQ. Thank you! _________________________________________________________________________ Here, I edited one of Frank's RAW photograph (.DNG) using ACR in Photoshop CS5 to see and share the IQ of K-01 at ISO 100. Basically, I pumped up the Recovery and Fill Light to see the dynamic range and how well are the details... Adobe Camera Raw CS5 * Recovery = 100 * Fill Light = 100 * added a Contrast and a bit of Clarity * added some Vibrance and Saturation * Note: I didn't added anything to Sharpness and Noise Reduction Edited Photo I'm not a big fan of HDR photography, but in here, I just want to test the IQ and DR. Cropped it at 100% Here's a closer look of the image. We can see that the black areas didn't clipped (and we can see the photographer in that reflection) and and even the highlight area, except for the light source located at the upper right hand corner. * This Pentax K-01 really gives quality result. Small camera but kicks a$$. hehe. Even at higher ISO (look at Frank's other sample images) it still performed well. * Wow! Didn't know you could bring out my reflection on the bottle, other wise I'd dress up properly

03-07-2012, 09:01 AM	#71
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by richard balonglong Frank, I hope you don't mind me that I downloaded one of your .DNG photo then re-posted it here. I just wanted to share my thoughts on the K-01's IQ. Thank you! _________________________________________________________________________ Here, I edited one of Frank's RAW photograph (.DNG) using ACR in Photoshop CS5 to see and share the IQ of K-01 at ISO 100. Basically, I pumped up the Recovery and Fill Light to see the dynamic range and how well are the details... Adobe Camera Raw CS5 * Recovery = 100 * Fill Light = 100 * added a Contrast and a bit of Clarity * added some Vibrance and Saturation * Note: I didn't added anything to Sharpness and Noise Reduction Edited Photo I'm not a big fan of HDR photography, but in here, I just want to test the IQ and DR. Cropped it at 100% Here's a closer look of the image. We can see that the black areas didn't clipped (and we can see the photographer in that reflection) and and even the highlight area, except for the light source located at the upper right hand corner. * This Pentax K-01 really gives quality result. Small camera but kicks a$$. hehe. Even at higher ISO (look at Frank's other sample images) it still performed well. * I'm sorta amazed that the box reflected to the left of the bottle is legible in the recovery.

03-07-2012, 05:50 PM	#72
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	Originally posted by nah OK, I went through and didn't see anyone mention it. Was it me or the G3's IQ look better than the K-5 and K-01? Was the focus missed from the K-5 and K-01? Good job on the comparisons Frank. I tried my best to focus properly on K-01 and K-5, and reviewed the results on LCD screen so I'd make sure the focusing was spot on (AF results were much softer than what I got w/ manual focus in Live View). And I also purposely stopped down to F5.6 on K5/K01 and F4 on G3 to get enough DOF so to reduce the effect of focusing error. If you download the full size pictures, you'd see even on the tin, G3 photos are still a bit sharper: G3: K-01: G3 photos are sharper, but colors from K-01/K-5 photos are nicer even at ISO200, G3 photo is much noisier too. And if you look at the reflection part (lower right half), K-01 photo retain more details as well: G3 at ISO200: K-01 at ISO200:

03-07-2012, 05:58 PM	#73
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202 Original Poster	And the Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 is indeed a very sharp lens, especially at center. I can't find its review at photozone. But they did have a review for its big brother, the 4/3 version PL25/1.4. I read some guys said the new one is as good if not better than the earler 4/3 version. Here is the MTF for the earlier PL25/1.4: For a comparison, our FA31:

03-07-2012, 07:06 PM	#74
pinholecam Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: North Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,706	Originally posted by frank And the Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 is indeed a very sharp lens, especially at center. I can't find its review at photozone. But they did have a review for its big brother, the 4/3 version PL25/1.4. I read some guys said the new one is as good if not better than the earler 4/3 version. Here is the MTF for the earlier PL25/1.4: For a comparison, our FA31: Yes, in fact of the m4/3 lenses are very good for center sharpness.

03-08-2012, 07:33 AM	#75
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Originally posted by frank I tried my best to focus properly on K-01 and K-5, and reviewed the results on LCD screen so I'd make sure the focusing was spot on (AF results were much softer than what I got w/ manual focus in Live View). And I also purposely stopped down to F5.6 on K5/K01 and F4 on G3 to get enough DOF so to reduce the effect of focusing error. If you download the full size pictures, you'd see even on the tin, G3 photos are still a bit sharper: G3: K-01: G3 photos are sharper, but colors from K-01/K-5 photos are nicer even at ISO200, G3 photo is much noisier too. And if you look at the reflection part (lower right half), K-01 photo retain more details as well: G3 at ISO200: K-01 at ISO200: Thanks again for the efforts Frank. I find the G3 output to be most definitely interesting against the K's. Though I don't have the time now, but I've set my sights on using it as a new baseline for my RAW default profiles(settings). Having said that, can you confirm or deny that I'm seeing moire patters in the G3 sample? I didn't get the chance to investigate or pixel peep the images but from here, it looks like there are vertical aliasing patterns in some of the colored patterns on the can.