K-01 and 77 limited - WHOAAA NELLY

rkboid · 03-31-2012, 09:56 PM

MY ADVICE DO NOT TRY AND LEARN HOW TO USE 1.8 GLASS AND THE K-01 AT THE SAME TIME.

I think I bit off more than I could chew, lol. In the past I have only had 2.8 glass, but trying to work 1.8 is a whole different ballgame it seems. Seems to take as much technique as super tele lenses. Trying to learn the K-01 at the same time as trying to learn the 77 to it's full potential just left too many variables. Anyway it was fun none the less, and I will get better at it. Here are a few of today's (first chance to really get out and use the camera). Sorry for the grumpy kid photos but we had been in the car for 4 hours and woke them up to try and get some wild flower shots.

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**jeffshaddix** · 03-31-2012, 10:02 PM

The images don't work, doh!

rkboid · 03-31-2012, 10:03 PM

I know, but they are fixed now.

**jeffshaddix** · 03-31-2012, 10:20 PM

Those look great! You could switch to manual focus and focus peaking, the 77 is well damped for MF. Either way, I think you're doing a great job.

ibkc · 04-01-2012, 07:46 PM

I'm not sure what's wrong with the first shot., aside with with being a snapshot outtake and perhaps the color being wonky (but that could but your choice of processing). The second second shot just looks a little off focus. The third suffers from exposure problems as does does the fourth. As the others have said, these are all things that can be fixed with familiarity with the camera. Good job, really. I look forward to seeing more in the "Post Your Best" thread.

**rparmar** · 04-01-2012, 07:50 PM

Well, you could shoot the FA77 at f/2.8. In fact it's very nice at that aperture and gives you more leeway on the focus.

Congrats on your fine lens!

rkboid · 04-02-2012, 06:30 AM

Thanks for the comments - the post was a little tongue and cheek with a little bit of truth, lol.

Jeffshaddix - I have used focus peaking a lot.

ibkc - thanks for the critiques. I will say most of the color is my choice in pp.

rparmar - yeah , most of these photos were taken at 2.2 and above. As i said the post was a little tongue in cheek.

sworks · 04-03-2012, 02:06 PM

I love this lens for portraits and use it at f4 mostly. It has quite a bit of ca in the wrong lighting which defeats the point of using it at 1.8 really. I usually move the clarity slider down in Lightroom to soften the faces.

rjm · 04-04-2012, 06:35 AM

So ..is focus peaking is accurate enough to be useful with the 77mm wide open?

**jeffshaddix** · 04-04-2012, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by rjm

So ..is focus peaking is accurate enough to be useful with the 77mm wide open?

Good question! I'm also curious what level of "focus" is displayed. Does the focus peaking area decrease when using faster apertures, or is it fixed for something like a 2:8 DOF?

zeitlos · 04-06-2012, 10:15 AM

I'm also wondering whether focus peaking can be used with aperture like 1.4, 1.7...
Maybe there's someone who can answer this question? The limiteds like the FA77 and the K-01 seem to be a good choice then.

pilgrimingvine · 04-06-2012, 02:55 PM

I am considering the K-01 as a second body. Currently have a 31 and a 77. FA77 seems to struggle with hitting focus consistently while the FA31 has no issue. When using liveview/CDAF on K-5, FA77 is more accurate. I think K-01 and my FA 77 might end up a nice combo. And I won't have to change lenses as much.

@rkboid what are your thoughts regarding FA77 + K-01 in terms of focus accuracy? more photos with the combo will be much much appreciated.

aardvarkgeo · 04-06-2012, 05:38 PM

I don't have the FA 77, but I do have the FA 50/1.4, and the focus peaking seems fine and easy to use, but the FA 50 at 1.4 has always been a little soft.

sunny16 · 04-06-2012, 07:38 PM

When using the K-5, the two lenses I've always had the most autofocus issues with is the FA 77mm and the DA* 55mm. Using both of these on the K-01, I have experienced much more accurate results (this accuracy + the focusing peaking have been the big winners for the K-01 in my opinion.) The trade off can be slightly slower focusing (depending on lens & lighting) and (though it's better than the K-5 in live view) if it misses focus it can sometimes move through the entire focus throw and then back.

For the type of shooting I do, I don't mind giving up a little speed for the accuracy improvement when using the K-01 and it is proving to be a good "take everywhere" camera for me.

pilgrimingvine · 04-06-2012, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by sunny16

When using the K-5, the two lenses I've always had the most autofocus issues with is the FA 77mm and the DA* 55mm. Using both of these on the K-01, I have experienced much more accurate results (this accuracy + the focusing peaking have been the big winners for the K-01 in my opinion.) The trade off can be slightly slower focusing (depending on lens & lighting) and (though it's better than the K-5 in live view) if it misses focus it can sometimes move through the entire focus throw and then back.

For the type of shooting I do, I don't mind giving up a little speed for the accuracy improvement when using the K-01 and it is proving to be a good "take everywhere" camera for me.

The reason why I went from DA*55 to FA77 was because of the AF issues you spoke of. Thanks for the info. I'll continue to consider the K-01.

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03-31-2012, 10:02 PM	#2
jeffshaddix Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,473	The images don't work, doh!

03-31-2012, 10:03 PM	#3
rkboid Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Del Rio, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 62 Original Poster	I know, but they are fixed now.

03-31-2012, 10:20 PM	#4
jeffshaddix Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,473	Those look great! You could switch to manual focus and focus peaking, the 77 is well damped for MF. Either way, I think you're doing a great job.

04-01-2012, 07:46 PM	#5
ibkc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: southeastern US Photos: Gallery Posts: 203	I'm not sure what's wrong with the first shot., aside with with being a snapshot outtake and perhaps the color being wonky (but that could but your choice of processing). The second second shot just looks a little off focus. The third suffers from exposure problems as does does the fourth. As the others have said, these are all things that can be fixed with familiarity with the camera. Good job, really. I look forward to seeing more in the "Post Your Best" thread.

04-01-2012, 07:50 PM	#6
rparmar Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,819	Well, you could shoot the FA77 at f/2.8. In fact it's very nice at that aperture and gives you more leeway on the focus. Congrats on your fine lens!

04-02-2012, 06:30 AM	#7
rkboid Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Del Rio, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 62 Original Poster	Thanks for the comments - the post was a little tongue and cheek with a little bit of truth, lol. Jeffshaddix - I have used focus peaking a lot. ibkc - thanks for the critiques. I will say most of the color is my choice in pp. rparmar - yeah , most of these photos were taken at 2.2 and above. As i said the post was a little tongue in cheek.

04-03-2012, 02:06 PM	#8
sworks Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Surrey Photos: Gallery Posts: 70	I love this lens for portraits and use it at f4 mostly. It has quite a bit of ca in the wrong lighting which defeats the point of using it at 1.8 really. I usually move the clarity slider down in Lightroom to soften the faces.

04-04-2012, 06:35 AM	#9
rjm Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kyoto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 72	So ..is focus peaking is accurate enough to be useful with the 77mm wide open?

04-04-2012, 06:19 PM	#10
jeffshaddix Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,473	Originally posted by rjm So ..is focus peaking is accurate enough to be useful with the 77mm wide open? Good question! I'm also curious what level of "focus" is displayed. Does the focus peaking area decrease when using faster apertures, or is it fixed for something like a 2:8 DOF?

04-06-2012, 10:15 AM	#11
zeitlos Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In the middle of Bavaria - Germany Posts: 282	I'm also wondering whether focus peaking can be used with aperture like 1.4, 1.7... Maybe there's someone who can answer this question? The limiteds like the FA77 and the K-01 seem to be a good choice then.

04-06-2012, 02:55 PM	#12
pilgrimingvine Forum Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Vancouver Photos: Gallery Posts: 54	I am considering the K-01 as a second body. Currently have a 31 and a 77. FA77 seems to struggle with hitting focus consistently while the FA31 has no issue. When using liveview/CDAF on K-5, FA77 is more accurate. I think K-01 and my FA 77 might end up a nice combo. And I won't have to change lenses as much. @rkboid what are your thoughts regarding FA77 + K-01 in terms of focus accuracy? more photos with the combo will be much much appreciated.

04-06-2012, 05:38 PM	#13
aardvarkgeo Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 35	I don't have the FA 77, but I do have the FA 50/1.4, and the focus peaking seems fine and easy to use, but the FA 50 at 1.4 has always been a little soft.

04-06-2012, 07:38 PM	#14
sunny16 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Maryland, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 309	When using the K-5, the two lenses I've always had the most autofocus issues with is the FA 77mm and the DA* 55mm. Using both of these on the K-01, I have experienced much more accurate results (this accuracy + the focusing peaking have been the big winners for the K-01 in my opinion.) The trade off can be slightly slower focusing (depending on lens & lighting) and (though it's better than the K-5 in live view) if it misses focus it can sometimes move through the entire focus throw and then back. For the type of shooting I do, I don't mind giving up a little speed for the accuracy improvement when using the K-01 and it is proving to be a good "take everywhere" camera for me.

04-06-2012, 09:04 PM	#15
pilgrimingvine Forum Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Vancouver Photos: Gallery Posts: 54	Originally posted by sunny16 When using the K-5, the two lenses I've always had the most autofocus issues with is the FA 77mm and the DA* 55mm. Using both of these on the K-01, I have experienced much more accurate results (this accuracy + the focusing peaking have been the big winners for the K-01 in my opinion.) The trade off can be slightly slower focusing (depending on lens & lighting) and (though it's better than the K-5 in live view) if it misses focus it can sometimes move through the entire focus throw and then back. For the type of shooting I do, I don't mind giving up a little speed for the accuracy improvement when using the K-01 and it is proving to be a good "take everywhere" camera for me. The reason why I went from DA*55 to FA77 was because of the AF issues you spoke of. Thanks for the info. I'll continue to consider the K-01.