OMG I think I am in love

**monochrome** · 03-15-2013, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by RustyWrangler

However, it remains a stupid design! As much as I love the camera, that feature was a mistake.

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

yup!!

I refuse to let a small thing like that ruin the camera for me. I just deal with it and get on with it.

But I really can't understand why they didn't just make a hard door and cover it with the same rubber.as the body.

RustyWrangler · 03-15-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I refuse to let a small thing like that ruin the camera for me. I just deal with it and get on with it.

But I really can't understand why they didn't just make a hard door and cover it with the same rubber.as the body.

It does not spoil the ownership experience, I just don't understand what they were thinking. A hard door! There ya go!! I agree totally.

**THoog** · 03-15-2013, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

But I really can't understand why they didn't just make a hard door and cover it with the same rubber.as the body.

Being different for differentness' sake? It's the Pentax way, after all...

I don't know, so much about the K-01 makes picture me the design team in a meeting saying (in Japanese, of course), "eh, let's try it and see what happens".

Just watch, everyone will go to rubber doors for entry-level dSLRs, and we will have been on the cutting edge of crappy flappy technology!

**boriscleto** · 03-15-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by THoog

Being different for differentness' sake? It's the Pentax way, after all...

I don't know, so much about the K-01 makes picture me the design team in a meeting saying (in Japanese, of course), "eh, let's try it and see what happens".

Just watch, everyone will go to rubber doors for entry-level dSLRs, and we will have been on the cutting edge of crappy flappy technology!

Why would the design team be speaking Japanese? The camera was designed by Marc Newson...

goldenarrow · 03-15-2013, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Why would the design team be speaking Japanese? The camera was designed by Marc Newson...

They should have put in a voice module so that it curses at you and uses sarcasm everytime you push the shutter. "You %$!@^*, can't you do better than that?? Even that dumb*** Marc Newson can do better!!!" Maybe with an old-fashioned pull-string in the back like a toy doll. The perfect cult camera, a K-01 with an attitude.....

**THoog** · 03-15-2013, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Why would the design team be speaking Japanese? The camera was designed by Marc Newson...

Newson designed the exterior styling, but there definitely was a Pentax design team who decided what would (and wouldn't) go into the camera, set the specifications, went back-and-forth over the design, did the engineering, and ultimately made the camera. And they looked something like this:

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20120326_519765.html

(Wakashiro-san is demonstrating an unusual left-hand grip...)

RonHendriks1966 · 03-16-2013, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by THoog

Newson designed the exterior styling, but there definitely was a Pentax design team who decided what would (and wouldn't) go into the camera, set the specifications, went back-and-forth over the design, did the engineering, and ultimately made the camera. And they looked something like this:

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20120326_519765.html

(Wakashiro-san is demonstrating an unusual left-hand grip...)

They look happy

ChrisJ · 03-16-2013, 08:13 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

They look happy

Obviously taken before the sales figures came in, still, their loss - our gain.

Chris

digital029art · 03-16-2013, 08:30 AM

Word, yeah these guys might be out of work now .. lol

The rubber flap actually has no wear or stress on it, it just dangles there and is flexible rubber, so any worries about it falling off are over exaggerated (unless you keep pull on it for some OCD reason).

aleonx3 · 03-16-2013, 08:33 AM

I get a sense that most of the clearance price K-01 stock are scooped up by Pentax users (like many of us here). It would be nice if this clearance price drop has helped them to gain some market share from would-be entry level DSLR buyers.

ripit · 03-16-2013, 10:50 AM

You would think from some of my recent posts that I have the k-01 but I do have a lot of good things to say about it.

I am moving up (and in a few ways down) from an ist-ds
The performance of the sensor (image quality and high iso performance) is stellar.

While it could use a little more grip, I can live with it

I don't care tht its ugly

Under some circumstances to auto focus is faster than my ist-ds

The autofocus is more accurate than my ds

It works very good in bright light, even with some long lenses (though it seems to be more picky all around with lenses)

The screen quality is very good

My only major complaint is low light auto focus at distances too far for the af assist light to help. I am learning there are ways to partially overcome this by just learning the the camera and its setting, learning what kinds of things the camera likes to lock on so you can focus and recompose, and learning what lenses it plays well with (slow glass seems a liability there but it seems even with slow lenses, it might do better with some than others).

There is no question at all, for $110 more than the lens would cost, its a deal.

Not being able to use and external flashes Af assist light (even on supposedly compatible pentax brand flashes) is a big issue to me and the fact that my aftermarket pttl flash doesn't work at all is a big issue. I'm hoping that some of it might be fixed in future firmware updates.

**jimmm18** · 03-18-2013, 09:33 AM

WOW this tread went in weird directions...

So an update on my experience with the K-01 after 3-4 days.

Focus peaking and manual lens. I need to have my glasses on for this to work! but I after some very failed photos I finally got the hang of it. I think in time I will get better at it

40xs lens: This is a really sharp lens with nice color and it really shows with the 16mp sensor. I used it on my k-r as well and makes the 12mp closer in image quality. I don't think I own anything this nice except my 50mm 1.4 A lens.

LCD: yea a pain in the daylight but I was at Mike's Camera in SF getting some film developed (which they did for me in less than an hour for 4.50 develop only. 2 thumbs up) and they had a 3 inch lcd shade in stock. Bought it and had them put it on. This plus increasing the screen brightness helps.

Face tracking autofocus. I don't like this. It seems to focus everywhere but where I want it to. K-01 doesn't have a multiple point AF like the K-R so I am using spot with much better success.

No viewfinder. I got use to this so fast that I started using liveview on my k-r. Not as fast as k-01 but just as fun!

Image Quality. I am blown away by it. It makes me want to sell the k-r and get a k5 or k30

I showed the carmera to a designer friend and he loved the design and used it to take some nice pics! I am liking the design more and more. I wish the green and red button were reversed or if we had the choice to set them up reversed in the menu options (Pentax? firmware upgrade?) As for being a brick? My film cameras are all boxes as well so I really am not noticing any issues. I shoot film cause i like the feel of the old cameras and this feels close. yea no veiwfinder but I seem to be adjusting.

And to comment on other topics in this thread: I doubt anyone but Pentax users bought this just based on all the reveiws it got. They were all incredibly ambiivent and could not get past that it was "different". The issues were mainly ergonomic in nature but none of them bad enough to garner the fainthearted praise it got. IMHO The main issue that probably kept people buying it was the autofucus speed and that was vastly improved on later firmware. Too bad it got released without those improvements or none of the sites retested.

I think Pentax can have a winner here with a litte tweaking of the design. Smaller camera with dedicated lense and k mount adapter, quicker autofocus and evf. And keep it competitively priced with the other big sensor mirrorless cameras.

03-15-2013, 07:28 PM	#20
goldenarrow Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chicago Suburbs. Photos: Gallery Posts: 501	it should speak Originally posted by boriscleto Why would the design team be speaking Japanese? The camera was designed by Marc Newson... They should have put in a voice module so that it curses at you and uses sarcasm everytime you push the shutter. "You %$!@^, can't you do better than that?? Even that dumb** Marc Newson can do better!!!" Maybe with an old-fashioned pull-string in the back like a toy doll. The perfect cult camera, a K-01 with an attitude..... Last edited by goldenarrow; 03-15-2013 at 07:29 PM. Reason: .

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03-15-2013, 06:05 PM	#16
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by RustyWrangler However, it remains a stupid design! As much as I love the camera, that feature was a mistake. Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 yup!! I refuse to let a small thing like that ruin the camera for me. I just deal with it and get on with it. But I really can't understand why they didn't just make a hard door and cover it with the same rubber.as the body.

03-15-2013, 06:08 PM	#17
RustyWrangler Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: SW Minnesota Posts: 30	Originally posted by monochrome I refuse to let a small thing like that ruin the camera for me. I just deal with it and get on with it. But I really can't understand why they didn't just make a hard door and cover it with the same rubber.as the body. It does not spoil the ownership experience, I just don't understand what they were thinking. A hard door! There ya go!! I agree totally.

03-15-2013, 06:21 PM	#18
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by monochrome But I really can't understand why they didn't just make a hard door and cover it with the same rubber.as the body. Being different for differentness' sake? It's the Pentax way, after all... I don't know, so much about the K-01 makes picture me the design team in a meeting saying (in Japanese, of course), "eh, let's try it and see what happens". Just watch, everyone will go to rubber doors for entry-level dSLRs, and we will have been on the cutting edge of crappy flappy technology!

03-15-2013, 06:42 PM	#19
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by THoog Being different for differentness' sake? It's the Pentax way, after all... I don't know, so much about the K-01 makes picture me the design team in a meeting saying (in Japanese, of course), "eh, let's try it and see what happens". Just watch, everyone will go to rubber doors for entry-level dSLRs, and we will have been on the cutting edge of crappy flappy technology! Why would the design team be speaking Japanese? The camera was designed by Marc Newson...

03-15-2013, 08:53 PM	#21
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by boriscleto Why would the design team be speaking Japanese? The camera was designed by Marc Newson... Newson designed the exterior styling, but there definitely was a Pentax design team who decided what would (and wouldn't) go into the camera, set the specifications, went back-and-forth over the design, did the engineering, and ultimately made the camera. And they looked something like this: http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20120326_519765.html (Wakashiro-san is demonstrating an unusual left-hand grip...)

03-16-2013, 03:32 AM	#22
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by THoog Newson designed the exterior styling, but there definitely was a Pentax design team who decided what would (and wouldn't) go into the camera, set the specifications, went back-and-forth over the design, did the engineering, and ultimately made the camera. And they looked something like this: http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20120326_519765.html (Wakashiro-san is demonstrating an unusual left-hand grip...) They look happy

03-16-2013, 08:13 AM - 1 Like	#23
ChrisJ Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eckington, Derbyshire UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 316	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 They look happy Obviously taken before the sales figures came in, still, their loss - our gain. Chris

03-16-2013, 08:30 AM	#24
digital029art Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 440	Word, yeah these guys might be out of work now .. lol The rubber flap actually has no wear or stress on it, it just dangles there and is flexible rubber, so any worries about it falling off are over exaggerated (unless you keep pull on it for some OCD reason).

03-16-2013, 08:33 AM	#25
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	I get a sense that most of the clearance price K-01 stock are scooped up by Pentax users (like many of us here). It would be nice if this clearance price drop has helped them to gain some market share from would-be entry level DSLR buyers.

03-16-2013, 10:50 AM	#26
ripit Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NewYork Posts: 899	You would think from some of my recent posts that I have the k-01 but I do have a lot of good things to say about it. I am moving up (and in a few ways down) from an ist-ds The performance of the sensor (image quality and high iso performance) is stellar. While it could use a little more grip, I can live with it I don't care tht its ugly Under some circumstances to auto focus is faster than my ist-ds The autofocus is more accurate than my ds It works very good in bright light, even with some long lenses (though it seems to be more picky all around with lenses) The screen quality is very good My only major complaint is low light auto focus at distances too far for the af assist light to help. I am learning there are ways to partially overcome this by just learning the the camera and its setting, learning what kinds of things the camera likes to lock on so you can focus and recompose, and learning what lenses it plays well with (slow glass seems a liability there but it seems even with slow lenses, it might do better with some than others). There is no question at all, for $110 more than the lens would cost, its a deal. Not being able to use and external flashes Af assist light (even on supposedly compatible pentax brand flashes) is a big issue to me and the fact that my aftermarket pttl flash doesn't work at all is a big issue. I'm hoping that some of it might be fixed in future firmware updates.

03-18-2013, 09:33 AM	#27
jimmm18 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Francisco Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 290 Original Poster	WOW this tread went in weird directions... So an update on my experience with the K-01 after 3-4 days. Focus peaking and manual lens. I need to have my glasses on for this to work! but I after some very failed photos I finally got the hang of it. I think in time I will get better at it 40xs lens: This is a really sharp lens with nice color and it really shows with the 16mp sensor. I used it on my k-r as well and makes the 12mp closer in image quality. I don't think I own anything this nice except my 50mm 1.4 A lens. LCD: yea a pain in the daylight but I was at Mike's Camera in SF getting some film developed (which they did for me in less than an hour for 4.50 develop only. 2 thumbs up) and they had a 3 inch lcd shade in stock. Bought it and had them put it on. This plus increasing the screen brightness helps. Face tracking autofocus. I don't like this. It seems to focus everywhere but where I want it to. K-01 doesn't have a multiple point AF like the K-R so I am using spot with much better success. No viewfinder. I got use to this so fast that I started using liveview on my k-r. Not as fast as k-01 but just as fun! Image Quality. I am blown away by it. It makes me want to sell the k-r and get a k5 or k30 I showed the carmera to a designer friend and he loved the design and used it to take some nice pics! I am liking the design more and more. I wish the green and red button were reversed or if we had the choice to set them up reversed in the menu options (Pentax? firmware upgrade?) As for being a brick? My film cameras are all boxes as well so I really am not noticing any issues. I shoot film cause i like the feel of the old cameras and this feels close. yea no veiwfinder but I seem to be adjusting. And to comment on other topics in this thread: I doubt anyone but Pentax users bought this just based on all the reveiws it got. They were all incredibly ambiivent and could not get past that it was "different". The issues were mainly ergonomic in nature but none of them bad enough to garner the fainthearted praise it got. IMHO The main issue that probably kept people buying it was the autofucus speed and that was vastly improved on later firmware. Too bad it got released without those improvements or none of the sites retested. I think Pentax can have a winner here with a litte tweaking of the design. Smaller camera with dedicated lense and k mount adapter, quicker autofocus and evf. And keep it competitively priced with the other big sensor mirrorless cameras.