K-01 DNG Raw Files and Apple Aperture

red thunder · 04-11-2013, 12:01 PM

I have done several searches on this site and on the web in general but would still like some advice. According to Apple's web site, the DNG files output by the K-01 is not supported by the Aperture software. I would like to keep using Aperture as it does support my other cameras and I don't want to learn a new program nor spend money on another program if I can keep from it. From my research, I did find that the free Adobe DNG Converter will convert the K-01 files and these converted files seem to be recognized by Aperture. I can see all the camera and lens info, etc. So, my question is whether using the DNG Converter is a reasonable method to get the files into Aperture and to do the raw processing off of the converted files. Or, are the files output by the DNG Converter somehow compromised significantly? Any guidance or insight is much appreciated.

dmc · 04-11-2013, 12:10 PM

I have no personal experience with this, but since there seems to be no monetary investment "free Adobe DNG Converter", why not just try it. Save a copy of your original and put it through the converter. You should be able to see if it works right away. Just a thought.

Anvh · 04-11-2013, 12:11 PM

It depends on how Apple is supporting the DNG.
In the DNG the camera also store the profieles needed to correctly read the RAW, this is not the case with other RAW formats. So that means that IF the program read the profieles inside the DNG then you don't need to have support since everything needed is already inside the file.
You got that, i can explain it easier.

as for the DNG converter, that converts RAW into DNG, since your file is already in DNG that does work but it will not help you with the problem.

**boriscleto** · 04-11-2013, 12:19 PM

There is no issue opening a K-01 DNG file in Aperture. The issue is the camera presets aren't processed by Aperture...It just means more work to process them as the colors won't be the same as the JPEG preview.

The DNG converter is for converting files from a proprietary RAW format to DNG, I don't see how it would do anything to a DNG file...

**newmikey** · 04-11-2013, 12:22 PM

So much for the arguments for the so-called "free and open" DNG format.

Homo_erectus · 04-11-2013, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by newmikey

So much for the arguments for the so-called "free and open" DNG format.

Yes, because the fact that apple doesn't seem to support DNG very well means that there's something wrong with the format . . .

**boriscleto** · 04-11-2013, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Homo_erectus

Yes, because the fact that apple doesn't seem to support DNG very well means that there's something wrong with the format . . .

Apple supports DNG just fine. They just don't support the proprietary settings added by the K-01, yet.

dmc · 04-11-2013, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Homo_erectus

Yes, because the fact that apple doesn't seem to support DNG very well means that there's something wrong with the format . . .

You kill me man. Thanks for the laugh.

red thunder · 04-11-2013, 03:10 PM

Ok, thanks for the responses here. So, it sounds like the step to take the DNG files out of the camera and run it through the DNG Converter is an unneeded step. I should just go straight into Aperture with the images right out of the K-01 (which I did try early on also but was thinking this was not the best approach since Apples states the K-01 files are not supported.) I have also been playing around with ACDSee Pro6 (Windows version running in a virtual machine on the Mac) to process the raw files and then bringing the resulting JPEG files into Aperture. However, I would really like to just have one program and one library to deal with. I will cross my fingers that the next version of Aperture brings more full support for the K-01.

Rob22315 · 04-11-2013, 03:12 PM

Lightroom supports the K-01

Steve.Ledger · 04-12-2013, 05:45 AM

Well if you have Windows running in a VM, why not use the supplied SilkyPix 3. I find it perfectly fine for the K-01 and Q and faster than Lightroom on the same hardware.

red thunder · 04-12-2013, 08:21 AM

I have tried the Silkypix version also to process the DNG files and then import the JPEGS into Aperture. I have used the Mac OS version for this. It processes ok, but I don't really like the interface and am trying to get to a single program that works for other cameras also. I will keep testing using the DNG files in Aperture. I can get ACDSee pretty cheap on sale ($40) and this is still an option I guess. ACDSee would have the benefit of supporting other cameras also for a low cost. I know Lightrooom would work but would require a migration of my library, etc.. I am not sure I want to bite that bullet yet.

red thunder · 04-12-2013, 11:04 AM

I have just completed some comparisons within Aperture between (1) the original K-01 DNG files converted via the Adobe DNG Converter tool mentioned in my initial post here and (2) the DNG files straight out of the camera. I see no difference in these files. So, going through the Converter process seems to be of no value for the K-01 raw files.

john carter · 04-12-2013, 11:32 AM

Did you convert the PEF files with the Adobe converter?

Steve.Ledger · 04-12-2013, 12:21 PM

@John Carter: K-01 does not produce .PEF files

Quote:

I have tried the Silkypix version also to process the DNG files and then import the JPEGS into Aperture.

@RedThunder: Why are you processing JPEG in Aperture? SilkyPix should be all you need to go from DNG to a finished JPEG.. Yes the UI is different at first, but I didn't find the learning curve any longer than I did Lightroom. I personally don't like Lightroom's sluggish performance and awkward importation process.

04-11-2013, 12:01 PM	#1
red thunder New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11	K-01 DNG Raw Files and Apple Aperture I have done several searches on this site and on the web in general but would still like some advice. According to Apple's web site, the DNG files output by the K-01 is not supported by the Aperture software. I would like to keep using Aperture as it does support my other cameras and I don't want to learn a new program nor spend money on another program if I can keep from it. From my research, I did find that the free Adobe DNG Converter will convert the K-01 files and these converted files seem to be recognized by Aperture. I can see all the camera and lens info, etc. So, my question is whether using the DNG Converter is a reasonable method to get the files into Aperture and to do the raw processing off of the converted files. Or, are the files output by the DNG Converter somehow compromised significantly? Any guidance or insight is much appreciated.

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04-11-2013, 12:10 PM	#2
dmc Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Calgary, AB Canada Posts: 76	I have no personal experience with this, but since there seems to be no monetary investment "free Adobe DNG Converter", why not just try it. Save a copy of your original and put it through the converter. You should be able to see if it works right away. Just a thought.

04-11-2013, 12:11 PM	#3
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	It depends on how Apple is supporting the DNG. In the DNG the camera also store the profieles needed to correctly read the RAW, this is not the case with other RAW formats. So that means that IF the program read the profieles inside the DNG then you don't need to have support since everything needed is already inside the file. You got that, i can explain it easier. as for the DNG converter, that converts RAW into DNG, since your file is already in DNG that does work but it will not help you with the problem.

04-11-2013, 12:19 PM	#4
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	There is no issue opening a K-01 DNG file in Aperture. The issue is the camera presets aren't processed by Aperture...It just means more work to process them as the colors won't be the same as the JPEG preview. The DNG converter is for converting files from a proprietary RAW format to DNG, I don't see how it would do anything to a DNG file...

04-11-2013, 12:22 PM	#5
newmikey Site Supporter Join Date: May 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,287	So much for the arguments for the so-called "free and open" DNG format.

04-11-2013, 12:29 PM	#6
Homo_erectus Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 410	Originally posted by newmikey So much for the arguments for the so-called "free and open" DNG format. Yes, because the fact that apple doesn't seem to support DNG very well means that there's something wrong with the format . . .

04-11-2013, 12:31 PM	#7
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by Homo_erectus Yes, because the fact that apple doesn't seem to support DNG very well means that there's something wrong with the format . . . Apple supports DNG just fine. They just don't support the proprietary settings added by the K-01, yet.

04-11-2013, 12:32 PM	#8
dmc Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Calgary, AB Canada Posts: 76	Originally posted by Homo_erectus Yes, because the fact that apple doesn't seem to support DNG very well means that there's something wrong with the format . . . You kill me man. Thanks for the laugh.

04-11-2013, 03:10 PM	#9
red thunder New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11 Original Poster	Ok, thanks for the responses here. So, it sounds like the step to take the DNG files out of the camera and run it through the DNG Converter is an unneeded step. I should just go straight into Aperture with the images right out of the K-01 (which I did try early on also but was thinking this was not the best approach since Apples states the K-01 files are not supported.) I have also been playing around with ACDSee Pro6 (Windows version running in a virtual machine on the Mac) to process the raw files and then bringing the resulting JPEG files into Aperture. However, I would really like to just have one program and one library to deal with. I will cross my fingers that the next version of Aperture brings more full support for the K-01.

04-11-2013, 03:12 PM	#10
Rob22315 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alexandria VA USA Posts: 315	Lightroom supports the K-01

04-12-2013, 05:45 AM	#11
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Well if you have Windows running in a VM, why not use the supplied SilkyPix 3. I find it perfectly fine for the K-01 and Q and faster than Lightroom on the same hardware.

04-12-2013, 08:21 AM	#12
red thunder New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11 Original Poster	I have tried the Silkypix version also to process the DNG files and then import the JPEGS into Aperture. I have used the Mac OS version for this. It processes ok, but I don't really like the interface and am trying to get to a single program that works for other cameras also. I will keep testing using the DNG files in Aperture. I can get ACDSee pretty cheap on sale ($40) and this is still an option I guess. ACDSee would have the benefit of supporting other cameras also for a low cost. I know Lightrooom would work but would require a migration of my library, etc.. I am not sure I want to bite that bullet yet.

04-12-2013, 11:04 AM	#13
red thunder New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11 Original Poster	I have just completed some comparisons within Aperture between (1) the original K-01 DNG files converted via the Adobe DNG Converter tool mentioned in my initial post here and (2) the DNG files straight out of the camera. I see no difference in these files. So, going through the Converter process seems to be of no value for the K-01 raw files.

04-12-2013, 11:32 AM	#14
john carter Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: California Photos: Gallery Posts: 67	Did you convert the PEF files with the Adobe converter?

04-12-2013, 12:21 PM	#15
Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	@John Carter: K-01 does not produce .PEF files Quote: I have tried the Silkypix version also to process the DNG files and then import the JPEGS into Aperture. @RedThunder: Why are you processing JPEG in Aperture? SilkyPix should be all you need to go from DNG to a finished JPEG.. Yes the UI is different at first, but I didn't find the learning curve any longer than I did Lightroom. I personally don't like Lightroom's sluggish performance and awkward importation process.