[GingeM]

Source

Top 5

1. Texas
2. North Carolina
3. Tennessee
4. Virginia
5. Nevada

Bottom 5

1. California
2. New York
3. Michigan
4. New Jersey
5. Massachusetts

Interestingly enough it looks like the five most left leaning states out of those ten are also five of the states closest to bankruptcy. Looks like four of the top five are right leaning states and are not close to bankruptcy. The fifth, just a year ago was number one.

The way the CEO's graded the state's was very enlightening too.

Link

This was an interesting quote about California:-

“Texas is pro-business with reasonable regulations,” one CEO respondent remarked, “while California is anti-business with anti-business regulations.” Another commented, “California is terrible. Even when we’ve paid their high taxes in full, they still treat every conversation as adversarial. It’s the most difficult state in the nation. We have actually walked away from business rather than deal with the government in Sacramento.”

Shocking when you consider that, without businesses, there are no jobs.

Yes, I know, it's always business' fault...

No surprises there.

[Ratmagiclady]

States that are low on revenues often are. Massachusetts keeps getting screwed by 'business-friendly' policies where the corporations get their way and outsourced the jobs anyway. Being a 'Left leaning' state doesn't mean that corporations don't in fact get their way.

This 'top five' list thing is from corporate executives' points of view. Not the point of view of the actual health of the states or quality of life. The state I'm in now is suffering badly, even without providing much in the way of government service, and having some of the most regressive taxes (They won't consider raising taxes on those who profit the most, but eight percent sales tax on *food?* Really?) and speculative-developer-friendly laws I've ever heard of.... it's the land of empty retail space here, and they just keep building more. They actually get tax breaks to destroy a downtown (too librul, I guess) that can only support so much gentrification, cause keeping the rents up way beyond what the market can bear makes more as a write-off against *other* property taxes (On minimalls that can't seem to support businesses, either) ...makes more money for developers and landlords. For now.

States on your list there have various problems because of all the anti-industry and anti-urban policies and corporate looting and outsourcing of the nation's manufacturing base. Texas may look good on paper to a corporate boardroom, but those have to do with all those record profits for Big Oil and the financial industry.

I can certainly say trying to break down Massachusetts politics to Right vs left as you like to blame... Doesn't work. Romney, among other corporate-conservative governors have certainly done their damage. The GOP and corporations just keep calling the place 'Taxachusetts' when that's not really been a meaningful comparison to anywhere else for decades.

States that are low on revenues often are. Massachusetts keeps getting screwed by 'business-friendly' policies where the corporations get their way and outsourced the jobs anyway. Being a 'Left leaning' state doesn't mean that corporations don't in fact get their way.

This 'top five' list thing is from corporate executives' points of view. Not the point of view of the actual health of the states or quality of life. The state I'm in now is suffering badly, even without providing much in the way of government service, and having some of the most regressive taxes (They won't consider raising taxes on those who profit the most, but eight percent sales tax on *food?* Really?) and speculative-developer-friendly laws I've ever heard of.... it's the land of empty retail space here, and they just keep building more. They actually get tax breaks to destroy a downtown (too librul, I guess) that can only support so much gentrification, cause keeping the rents up way beyond what the market can bear makes more as a write-off against *other* property taxes (On minimalls that can't seem to support businesses, either) ...makes more money for developers and landlords. For now.

States on your list there have various problems because of all the anti-industry and anti-urban policies and corporate looting and outsourcing of the nation's manufacturing base. Texas may look good on paper to a corporate boardroom, but those have to do with all those record profits for Big Oil and the financial industry.

I can certainly say trying to break down Massachusetts politics to Right vs left as you like to blame... Doesn't work. Romney, among other corporate-conservative governors have certainly done their damage. The GOP and corporations just keep calling the place 'Taxachusetts' when that's not really been a meaningful comparison to anywhere else for decades.

What else really matters? It's about ease of doing business. Should we ask a homeless person about doing business in any state?

If they did that they could just move to a state more conducive and then you'd have even loss jobs. And less tax revenue. Your post makes little sense.

This part is actually true. Romney really screwed up with his healthcare plan. It's going bankrupt if it hasn't already. And this is what Obamascare is based on so we can expect the same thing to happen but on a national level.

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[Phil1]

'Socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money'

Calif and Los Angeles are about bankrupt. The LA Mayor and Bill Clinton says we need more illegals to keep the ballon up. You betcha.

Remember in November unless your on the dole.

[Ratmagiclady]

This is identity politics, not real economics, that you guys are talking: trying to blame someone else for obvious GOP and big business failures.

Same old denial and projection. Frankly, I think in November, it's going to be even more obvious you've got *nothing* but that, and hate. And that that's not what helps us.

Milking the people dry for offshore corporate profits is not going to make a functioning economy.

You should be a little less worried about who's *in* the country and a lot more worried about what's gone *out* of it.

[GeneV]

I'll bet these businesses would have rated China even higher than the red states.

I'll bet these businesses would have rated China even higher than the red states.

At least Walmart does.

What you fail to understand is YOU drove them to China. You want cheap crap. That's what you got. And you still fail to realize how expensive that cheap crap really is.

[GeneV]

At least Walmart does.

What you fail to understand is YOU drove them to China. You want cheap crap. That's what you got. And you still fail to realize how expensive that cheap crap really is.

Very good points, George, and I understand completely.

That is what the same companies want from a state here, as well--some place where they can make cheap crap using cheap labor with as little restriction on their waste products as possible.

[Oldschool]

At least Walmart does.

What you fail to understand is YOU drove them to China. You want cheap crap. That's what you got. And you still fail to realize how expensive that cheap crap really is.

I believe that's the definition of capitalism (your religion).

I believe that's the definition of capitalism (your religion).

Not really. See I understand what the real costs are of cheap product. And I practice what I preach. My tools are Snap on and Mac. Not the chink knockoffs. My air nailers, routers and saws are Porter Cable. Not the chinky knockoffs. Some are made in the States. Some are made overseas. And yes I can tell the difference. And I am and have paid the extra to find a US product.

[GingeM]

I believe that's the definition of capitalism (your religion).

Finally... You're getting it. What companies produce and provide is only what the population demands. Without demand there is no supply. If you don't believe me start a company making 5 1/4" floppy disks. Let's see how long you stay in business and how much money you're prepared to pay your employees to sit idle.

Therefore, if the population demands cheap crap that's what business provides. If a business sees a demand for cheap crap wooden boxes let's say and tries to fill the demand with high quality wooden boxes it might putter along but it won't make big profit. However, if it knocks out utter tat it'll make money hand over fist. That's the nature of supply and demand. I fail to see why this, very basic concept, is so complicated for those on the left. But it's not is it. You all get it. But your jealously of those who have either been given stuff you weren't or earned stuff you couldn't is the real driving force.

Finally... You're getting it. What companies produce and provide is only what the population demands. Without demand there is no supply. If you don't believe me start a company making 5 1/4" floppy disks. Let's see how long you stay in business and how much money you're prepared to pay your employees to sit idle.

Therefore, if the population demands cheap crap that's what business provides. If a business sees a demand for cheap crap wooden boxes let's say and tries to fill the demand with high quality wooden boxes it might putter along but it won't make big profit. However, if it knocks out utter tat it'll make money hand over fist. That's the nature of supply and demand. I fail to see why this, very basic concept, is so complicated for those on the left. But it's not is it. You all get it. But your jealously of those who have either been given stuff you weren't or earned stuff you couldn't is the real driving force.

They would rather "make" (read that as steal) money with "carbon offsets"

[GingeM]

"carbon offsets"

Ahhh... yes... "carbon offsets"... Literally "smoke" and a few mirrors...

[Rupert]

Well, you only told half the story in your thread opener...sort of like telling us how great the Wolves are doing in Yellowstone, but forgetting to tell us the number of cattle kills being reported by Ranchers. You guys are good at one sided stories......do a little research on your "Successful States" and you might find some facts that are not in your opening account of the situation, like......

"Today the U.S. Census released its latest numbers which find that for another year, Texas ranks towards the bottom in overall poverty, child poverty, elderly poverty, uninsured Texans, and the percent of people who receive cash assistance."

So if you are cheering for the wolves, this is all very good news for you, or if you are a turtle up on top of a post, it is reason to celebrate...just don't fall off in Texas, you will be better off in the center lane of I-20 at rush hour.
Regards!