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05-19-2010, 07:28 AM   #1
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1. The birth-certificate conspiracy. Reality: Not even official birth certificates from Hawaii, newspaper clippings from 1961, and the testimony of state officials will convince the true-blue Tea Partiers. Which is why WorldNetDaily’s Joseph Farah lectured the National Tea Party Convention for an hour about the “truth” of the birth-certificate story.

2. Death panels. Reality: PolitiFact named Sarah Palin’s Facebook invention its “Lie of the Year,” and the belief was thoroughly exposed as a falsehood by every news network (even Fox). Yet Palin still insists that the panels exist somewhere in the health-care reform bill that was signed into law, its actual language notwithstanding.

3. Obama is a Muslim/Socialist/Fascist. Glenn Beck’s fantasy of the week -- one week Obama was a Socialist, the next he was a Communist, then a Fascist. Then it was on to Marxism and Maoism -- was avidly adopted by sign-bearing fans at Tea Party gatherings, who sometimes shared Beck’s confusion by just calling Obama All of the Above. Reality: Give us a break. Obama’s self-evident cautious centrism, embodied by his health-care reform package stripped of a public option, as well as his more recent embrace of a limited offshore drilling program, has infuriated liberals in his party -- but it hasn’t stopped Tea Partiers from denouncing the president as a radical anyway.

4. Obama is going to take away our guns. Well, the NRA managed to scare a whole lot of people into buying up every gun and piece of ammunition in sight the first year or so after Obama’s election. And at least five police officers died because the suspects they were arresting feared Obama was going to take away their guns. But Obama not only has adhered to his promise not to address gun-control issues, there hasn’t been even a breath of it from his administration. Which, of course, just makes the paranoids that much more paranoid: It’s proof that he’s really up to something.

5. Obama is raising our taxes. Reality: Obama lowered taxes for 95 percent of working Americans in his first year in office. But, you know, he’s a liberal Democrat – and for true-blue right-wing folks, that ALWAYS means a tax hike.

6. Fascism is a left-wing phenomenon. We can thank Jonah Goldberg -- with a big assist from Beck -- for the popularity of this one, even though Goldberg’s thesis has been demolished and angrily dismissed by academic historians. It’s especially come in handy for Tea Partiers with Obama-as-Hitler signs, who are not impressed by those pointy-headed professorial types anyway.

7. Global warming is a hoax. So Sean Hannity assures us, citing the Climategate brouhaha -- which was itself shown largely to be a hoax of its own. Meanwhile, the world’s ocean levels keep rising, and glaciers and the polar ice cap keep receding -- regardless of the endless words thrown up denying that they are.

8. Some 16,000 new IRS agents will enforce the new health care reform act by throwing you in jail. Reality: The IRS is actually only increasing its spending in the coming budget year as it normally would -- but some Republican operatives decided to figure out how many positions its increased budget would buy, and came up with 16,000, a figure that then became gospel on Newt Gingrich’s lips. According to the same mythmakers, this nonexistent new army of health care police was going to start throwing people in jail if they failed to buy health insurance -- though in fact, the only penalties contemplated for such failures are fines and taxes.

9. Two million people were at the 9/12 March on Washington. At the culmination of a monthlong promotion (highlighted by a national Tea Party Express bus tour) by Beck and Fox News, about 70,000 people gathered on the National Mall on September 12 to protest. Beck cited an erroneous early report that over a million had shown up. Later that grew to be two million, the figure now commonly cited by Tea Party leaders as evidence of their tremendous numerical force.

10. The Tea Parties are a non-partisan, broad grassroots movement. Sure, if by non-partisan you mean rabidly paleo-conservative, to the point of even dismissing Republicans, and by grassroots you mean fake populism organized and whipped up by the most popular cable-news network on television, with a heaping helping of corporate financing.

discuss amongst yourselves.
Tea Party folks and their defenders also want to believe that they’re just ordinary Americans who want to be serious about helping their country. But it’s pretty hard to fit that description when you embrace plain old nuttiness.

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I bet that took you a lot longer to type than it took me to ignore...
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QuoteOriginally posted by GingeM Quote
I bet that took you a lot longer to type than it took me to ignore...
It's those damn nasty facts again, isn't it Mr Ginge. They just keep on spoiling your day...most every day.
I do appreciate that you didn't take your time to read the post......I guess you are busy packing your kitchen mop and heading down to the Gulf to mop up that little tiny oil spill you told us about earlier....right? Did you say you are an educated man Mr Ginge......? I must have missed that.
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Well this Conservative isn't a "birther". So I will give you #1
On #8 I believe it was Pelosi herself that actually said 17,500. I will get you the You tube video when i have time. But so far you're down to 80%.
On #9 no one really knows how many. DC Fire Department unofficially estimated 75,000 people. Others have estimated many more. Again, I can find no accurate figures and all out there is at best a guess.


Oh yeah, Politifact is owned by the St. Petersburg Times. A local liberal paper where I am. Also known as Pravda West. So things may have a bit of a bias. Just like Snopes when concerning politics. They're also Obamarama supporters so their site in that respect is suspect.


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QuoteOriginally posted by graphicgr8s Quote
Well this Conservative isn't a "birther". So I will give you #1
On #8 I believe it was Pelosi herself that actually said 17,500. I will get you the You tube video when i have time. But so far you're down to 80%.
On #9 no one really knows how many. DC Fire Department unofficially estimated 75,000 people. Others have estimated many more. Again, I can find no accurate figures and all out there is at best a guess.


Oh yeah, Politifact is owned by the St. Petersburg Times. A local liberal paper where I am. Also known as Pravda West. So things may have a bit of a bias. Just like Snopes when concerning politics. They're also Obamarama supporters so their site in that respect is suspect.
So you are not a Birther, but you can stretch 75,000 to one million....very commendable George! I see you are your usual self regarding the facts...or rather disregarding them!
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QuoteOriginally posted by graphicgr8s Quote
Well this Conservative isn't a "birther". So I will give you #1
On #8 I believe it was Pelosi herself that actually said 17,500. I will get you the You tube video when i have time. But so far you're down to 80%.
On #9 no one really knows how many. DC Fire Department unofficially estimated 75,000 people. Others have estimated many more. Again, I can find no accurate figures and all out there is at best a guess.


Oh yeah, Politifact is owned by the St. Petersburg Times. A local liberal paper where I am. Also known as Pravda West. So things may have a bit of a bias. Just like Snopes when concerning politics. They're also Obamarama supporters so their site in that respect is suspect.
By your own estimation the Teaparty is 80% WRONG!
That's a conservative estimate......LOL
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rupert Quote
So you are not a Birther, but you can stretch 75,000 to one million....very commendable George! I see you are your usual self regarding the facts...or rather disregarding them!
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Rupert, you keep putting words where there were none. I never said what figure I believed was the accurate one.

Global warming is still controversial. So you're at 70% now. Actually if we take into account that the Obamarama is letting the Bush tax cuts expire taxes will be going up.

And it is a small minority that use the Obamarama as Hitler so that kills that one too.

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Hey...quit confusing the issue with true facts! You missed one....

11. Sarah Palin is attractive.....

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QuoteOriginally posted by smc Quote
Hey...quit confusing the issue with true facts! You missed one....

11. Sarah Palin is attractive.....
If you like silicone and hooker-like clothing.......even then the Moose in Alaska don't find her so good looking.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rupert Quote
If you like silicone and hooker-like clothing.......even then the Moose in Alaska don't find her so good looking.
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So you're a moose in Alaska.
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The Tea Party is sounding more and more like Whine Tasting.
05-19-2010, 10:48 AM   #12
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As for #1. Most legitimate tea party people refer to Worldnet as the WorldNutJobDaily.

You're sinking fast here.


And is #4 falling too?

QuoteQuote:
But before he became a national political figure, he sat on the board of a Chicago-based foundation that doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions.

The foundation funded legal scholarship advancing the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect individual gun owners’ rights, as well as two groups that advocated handgun bans. And it paid to support a book called “Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns.”
Most people wouldn't sit on the board of a foundation if they didn't believe what they "preached"

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Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?

A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don’t have it right now.
See, law abiding citizens don't gun down innocent people. I wonder if the murderers who do will respect gun control laws?

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In survey after survey, these fruitloops are against everything and for nothing. They have no answers only complaints.....which just makes them typical Republicans from the bottom of the barrel.
When queried about their desire to stop Big Govt and the resulatant spending, almost 100% do not want to give up their Soc Security or Medicare, two of the most expensive programs in Govt. They also don't want to cut the Military Budget.....Good Lord! What else is left other than a few loose odds and ends and Bridges to Nowhere in Alaska? Just plain and simple, these people make no sense at all, and are just the malcontents of society, certainly not the Backbone of America.
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Ah but Rupert, there's plenty to cut: education, welfare, consumer protection, EPA and the CAFE rules, the scientific study of bat saliva and anything to do with evolution, or anything to do with abortion, or with global warming, or with health insurance (except veterans, medicare, medicaid), and aren't there thousands of methadone addicts in NYC still, oh, and there's more: farm subsidies to lazy individual farmers... I haven't heard anything about abolishing the FDIC, though, and seems like we still need to build the wall and beef up border patrols, and implement some national ID scheme, but not for real Americans, only the illegals so we can tell who's who.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rupert Quote
In survey after survey, these fruitloops are against everything and for nothing. They have no answers only complaints.....which just makes them typical Republicans from the bottom of the barrel.
When queried about their desire to stop Big Govt and the resultant spending, almost 100% do not want to give up their Soc Security or Medicare, two of the most expensive programs in Govt. They also don't want to cut the Military Budget.....Good Lord! What else is left other than a few loose odds and ends and Bridges to Nowhere in Alaska? Just plain and simple, these people make no sense at all, and are just the malcontents of society, certainly not the Backbone of America.
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We could shut down Murtha Airport.
So Rupert where is the bridge to nowhere? Was it built? Like Money pit airport was?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Nesster Quote
Ah but Rupert, there's plenty to cut: education, welfare, consumer protection, EPA and the CAFE rules, the scientific study of bat saliva and anything to do with evolution, or anything to do with abortion, or with global warming, or with health insurance (except veterans, medicare, medicaid), and aren't there thousands of methadone addicts in NYC still, oh, and there's more: farm subsidies to lazy individual farmers... I haven't heard anything about abolishing the FDIC, though, and seems like we still need to build the wall and beef up border patrols, and implement some national ID scheme, but not for real Americans, only the illegals so we can tell who's who.
Actually with all the waste in most of these programs (60 billion in fraud for Medicare) a lot could be saved. And why do we need to study bat saliva anyway? Farm subs? GONE.
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