Originally posted by Rupert My point is that even George with his constant Obama bashing is not as agenda orientied as the Ratlady is on her perceived abuse. If there is anything on earth that the Ratlady can't turn into a LGBT situation, I haven't seen it....be honest...have you?
Even if in fact, you or George are the ones to broach the topic, then say, 'You're bringing this up by disagreeing with my blithe assertions of your sinful inferiority?'
And you haven't answered any of the questions I raised. Just gone on the attack, yourself.
Quote: As a matter of record, I do not disagree with many of her points, but find getting hammered with them over and over to be counter productive to her cause. Just my thoughts......
Well, I've never been very convinced by arguments that 'Shut up and take it or what I'm doing to you is your own fault,' really makes any sense.
People's human rights aren't up to you to decide on just cause you claim your religion allows you to. Frankly, as long as people are free to leave, you can say what you want in your churches, and if it's lies about others, yes, others will probably suffer for it.
But, yeah, it's political speech to have some preacher say all of Christianity will fall apart if they can't 'preach against' equal rights.
Blaming the victims for what you do to them seems pretty well-ingrained, especially when these kinds of churches are promised *political power over others.* It corrupts, pretty badly, I can't help but notice. Go ahead and blame messengers and victims, treat every single instance of anything as an isolated incident, blame someone else...
Consider that every *other* minority the conservative churches justified hating... Well, they turned out to be *wrong,* didn't they?
One of the better points of Christianity is you're *theoretically allowed to change your ways* ....but not if you're too concerned about temporal power and authority over others.
Frankly, when these same preachers claim that any law not maintaining injustice and inequality for LBGTs threatens to 'stifle their speech,' (even if they're specifically-protected when it comes to speaking hate against LBGTs) ...particularly regarding hate * crimes* laws, they're admitting there's a connection there between what they say and what LBGTs live to one degree or another, in fear of happening to ourselves or ones we love.)
If they don't think the blatant political campaigning, using hate and fear, (even on 'issues:' Vote Homophobe or God hates you!')
*is actually political,* ...why are they on all the *politics* shows and boards and everything? Who are they talking to?
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Originally posted by Nesster In RML's defense here - My first reaction was, jeez, there's plenty of other things the fundie churches preach, I could probably come up with a real long list, easy. Turns out, I couldn't.
Abortion. Guns? Gays. Welfare? Illegal Immigration? NPR? I can't think of very many, the Family Values thing covers abortion, gays and welfare.
So yes, currently I'd guess gays and abortion would be vying for #1
Yeah, but be fair, Nesster, they also go after the 'sin' of not being a Christian, or of being environmentalist, or of using science to evaluate the world... competently...