What a complete and total waste of money

Peter Zack · 06-07-2010, 06:06 AM

Toronto is hosting the G20 and G8 summits shortly and the security estimate is now 1.1 Billion. That's just the security! The costs for the events, services etc will probably double that number and because this is a government operation, we'll never know the true cost. My bet is 50% more at least.

Plus they are going to gridlock Canada's largest city for a couple weeks.
Here's a map of the fence (in yellow):
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Bay street is the heart of the Financial district (small version of Wall St.) and this is right down town.

What a total waste of money. Don't these jackasses know how to use the phone? How about a video conference? Maybe meet at the UN. It's mostly useless anyway, may as well use it for something else useless.

Here we all are tightening our belts and these guys spend OUR TAX DOLLARS on a crappy party that they pretend is going to solve problems between them.

In fact all the issues on the table will be resolved before the meetings so they can smile for the cameras and say they fixed how to put a round peg in a square hole or some other useless 'issue'.

Arrrrg I can think of a thousand better ways to spend a couple billion.

JeffJS · 06-07-2010, 12:50 PM

Isn't government Wonderful??? They do So much for us and ask So little in return. Why NOT let all these fat asses have a nice party on the tax payer dime? After all, isn't that what we are here for? To provide funds for these little boondoggles?

How many people could $1,100,000,000 feed (just thought I'd put all the zeros in there to illustrate what a big number it really is) for a Lifetime?

Gooshin · 06-07-2010, 01:06 PM

guess you're one of those..

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/politics-religion-etc/103654-g20-g8-spending.html

do you think that welfare is bad too?

the fence thats going up, you know who is getting paid? Joe Smith, from Hamilton.. and Carl Cox, from Ajax, guess what they are going to do with that "tax payer money", they are going to buy crap for themselves and their families...

yeah, what a total waste of taxpayer dollars, providing jobs for the locals.

and those places that are closing down, like the AGO and UofT, they are just afraid that in case of a riot someone might run in and ruin their fancy collections.. :/

no one is forcing them.

Peter Zack · 06-07-2010, 01:25 PM

Gooshin. You do have a point. Some money will land in the hands of service providers. But I'd hazard a guess that it will be off set a great deal by a lot of businesses that will be basically closed inside the security fence for the month. Would you go shopping at a store that required you to be basically strip searched for 4+ hours just to get inside the zone?

Doubt it. So I bet the benefits are a wash.

What has me confounded is they did the Olympics over a longer period, more people and a larger area for quite a bit less.

Last edited by Peter Zack; 06-07-2010 at 08:28 PM.

Gooshin · 06-07-2010, 01:32 PM

99% of the time, the objects on my body are

phone
wallet with: 1 credit card, 1 drivers licence, 1 airmiles card... maybe a 20 bill
keys

you can strip search me all you want..

and its not the fence that scares me, its the rioters

if you're going to be outraged by anything, be outraged the by mass amount of idiocy that will ensue during the period.. probably from 17-23 year olds yelling "we want out of vietnam" at the top of their lungs.

sure, video conferencing can work, but there is something about coming together and speaking live.. in any line of work.

also, the area that is actually being fences off houses very little actual business, Richmond, Adilaide and College and Queen will remain open, so the party life wont stop, and thats where most of the interesting things/shops are..

wellington and front street are just business office complexes and a few hotels, boo hoo, they will be occupied by all the security personel anyway...

i really do think that people are making a big deal out of the whole thing

graphicgr8s · 06-07-2010, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

Gooshin. You do have a point. Some money will land in the hands of service providers. But I'd hazard a guess that it will be off set a great deal by a lot of businesses that will be basically closed inside the security fence for the month. Would you go shopping at a store that required you to be basically strip searched for 4+ hours just to get inside the zone?

Doubt it. So I bet the benefits are a wash.

What has me confounded is they did the Olympics over a longer period, more people and a larger area for qyute a bit less.

Is the searcher 24, blonde, female, and really a bombshell? If so count me in. Count me in even if she's a brunette.

Peter Zack · 06-07-2010, 08:27 PM

Here she is George. What a honey too......

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Parallax · 06-08-2010, 04:49 AM

You beat me to it, Peter. I was going to post a picture of Hillary for him. :LOL:

graphicgr8s · 06-08-2010, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

You beat me to it, Peter. I was going to post a picture of Hillary for him. :LOL:

Peter's post was just mean. Yours is downright deplorable.

But again you fail to read. Here are the requirements again

Quote:

Is the searcher 24, blonde, female, and really a bombshell?

Peter Zack · 06-08-2010, 06:02 AM

George, you asked a question. IS the, not IF the... You have your answer and H T is looking for a job I hear. Apparently she can tell one ethnic group for another and knows where they should go.

Parallax · 06-08-2010, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by graphicgr8s

Peter's post was just mean. Yours is downright deplorable.

But again you fail to read. Here are the requirements again
Is the searcher 24, blonde, female, and really a bombshell?

I'm sorry, George. I misread the requirements. I read it as "bombed out shell, hence the Hillary suggestion.

Peter Zack · 06-08-2010, 09:05 AM

Yeah the OP is going no where so lets trash a few politicians and journalists.

Maybe they should have sent a billion$$ to the Gulf and used HT to plug the well.

JeffJS · 06-08-2010, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

George, you asked a question. IS the, not IF the... You have your answer and H T is looking for a job I hear. Apparently she can tell one ethnic group for another and knows where they should go.

I thought that thing looked familiar...

ugly

Gooshin · 06-08-2010, 11:16 AM

its begun..

G20 ? Toronto 2010

Alfisti · 06-08-2010, 11:32 AM

Gooshin your economics are flawed. If 1.1 billion plus likely that again was handed out in cash to the general population to encourage stimulas then great but it's going to a relatively small group of contractors.

By your definition governments should spend feverishly in order to generate more money, it doesn't work like that.

I find the cost deplorable and i don't care as i don't live in the city of Toronto. It's a mind boggling number that is just beyond anything any reasonable person would expect it to cost.

06-07-2010, 06:06 AM	#1
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	What a complete and total waste of money Toronto is hosting the G20 and G8 summits shortly and the security estimate is now 1.1 Billion. That's just the security! The costs for the events, services etc will probably double that number and because this is a government operation, we'll never know the true cost. My bet is 50% more at least. Plus they are going to gridlock Canada's largest city for a couple weeks. Here's a map of the fence (in yellow): Bay street is the heart of the Financial district (small version of Wall St.) and this is right down town. What a total waste of money. Don't these jackasses know how to use the phone? How about a video conference? Maybe meet at the UN. It's mostly useless anyway, may as well use it for something else useless. Here we all are tightening our belts and these guys spend OUR TAX DOLLARS on a crappy party that they pretend is going to solve problems between them. In fact all the issues on the table will be resolved before the meetings so they can smile for the cameras and say they fixed how to put a round peg in a square hole or some other useless 'issue'. Arrrrg I can think of a thousand better ways to spend a couple billion.

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06-07-2010, 12:50 PM	#2
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Isn't government Wonderful??? They do So much for us and ask So little in return. Why NOT let all these fat asses have a nice party on the tax payer dime? After all, isn't that what we are here for? To provide funds for these little boondoggles? How many people could $1,100,000,000 feed (just thought I'd put all the zeros in there to illustrate what a big number it really is) for a Lifetime?

06-07-2010, 01:06 PM	#3
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	guess you're one of those.. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/politics-religion-etc/103654-g20-g8-spending.html do you think that welfare is bad too? the fence thats going up, you know who is getting paid? Joe Smith, from Hamilton.. and Carl Cox, from Ajax, guess what they are going to do with that "tax payer money", they are going to buy crap for themselves and their families... yeah, what a total waste of taxpayer dollars, providing jobs for the locals. and those places that are closing down, like the AGO and UofT, they are just afraid that in case of a riot someone might run in and ruin their fancy collections.. :/ no one is forcing them.

06-07-2010, 01:25 PM	#4
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643 Original Poster	Gooshin. You do have a point. Some money will land in the hands of service providers. But I'd hazard a guess that it will be off set a great deal by a lot of businesses that will be basically closed inside the security fence for the month. Would you go shopping at a store that required you to be basically strip searched for 4+ hours just to get inside the zone? Doubt it. So I bet the benefits are a wash. What has me confounded is they did the Olympics over a longer period, more people and a larger area for quite a bit less. Last edited by Peter Zack; 06-07-2010 at 08:28 PM.

06-07-2010, 01:32 PM	#5
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	99% of the time, the objects on my body are phone wallet with: 1 credit card, 1 drivers licence, 1 airmiles card... maybe a 20 bill keys you can strip search me all you want.. and its not the fence that scares me, its the rioters if you're going to be outraged by anything, be outraged the by mass amount of idiocy that will ensue during the period.. probably from 17-23 year olds yelling "we want out of vietnam" at the top of their lungs. sure, video conferencing can work, but there is something about coming together and speaking live.. in any line of work. also, the area that is actually being fences off houses very little actual business, Richmond, Adilaide and College and Queen will remain open, so the party life wont stop, and thats where most of the interesting things/shops are.. wellington and front street are just business office complexes and a few hotels, boo hoo, they will be occupied by all the security personel anyway... i really do think that people are making a big deal out of the whole thing

06-07-2010, 06:51 PM	#6
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by Peter Zack Gooshin. You do have a point. Some money will land in the hands of service providers. But I'd hazard a guess that it will be off set a great deal by a lot of businesses that will be basically closed inside the security fence for the month. Would you go shopping at a store that required you to be basically strip searched for 4+ hours just to get inside the zone? Doubt it. So I bet the benefits are a wash. What has me confounded is they did the Olympics over a longer period, more people and a larger area for qyute a bit less. Is the searcher 24, blonde, female, and really a bombshell? If so count me in. Count me in even if she's a brunette.

06-07-2010, 08:27 PM	#7
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643 Original Poster	Here she is George. What a honey too......

06-08-2010, 04:49 AM	#8
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	You beat me to it, Peter. I was going to post a picture of Hillary for him. :LOL:

06-08-2010, 05:49 AM	#9
graphicgr8s Guest	Originally posted by Parallax You beat me to it, Peter. I was going to post a picture of Hillary for him. :LOL: Peter's post was just mean. Yours is downright deplorable. But again you fail to read. Here are the requirements again Quote: Is the searcher 24, blonde, female, and really a bombshell?

06-08-2010, 06:02 AM	#10
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643 Original Poster	George, you asked a question. IS the, not IF the... You have your answer and H T is looking for a job I hear. Apparently she can tell one ethnic group for another and knows where they should go.

06-08-2010, 09:01 AM	#11
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by graphicgr8s Peter's post was just mean. Yours is downright deplorable. But again you fail to read. Here are the requirements again Is the searcher 24, blonde, female, and really a bombshell? I'm sorry, George. I misread the requirements. I read it as "bombed out shell, hence the Hillary suggestion.

06-08-2010, 09:05 AM	#12
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643 Original Poster	Yeah the OP is going no where so lets trash a few politicians and journalists. Maybe they should have sent a billion$$ to the Gulf and used HT to plug the well.

06-08-2010, 09:11 AM	#13
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by Peter Zack George, you asked a question. IS the, not IF the... You have your answer and H T is looking for a job I hear. Apparently she can tell one ethnic group for another and knows where they should go. I thought that thing looked familiar...

06-08-2010, 11:16 AM	#14
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	its begun.. G20 ? Toronto 2010

06-08-2010, 11:32 AM	#15
Alfisti Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toronto (for now) Posts: 1,748	Gooshin your economics are flawed. If 1.1 billion plus likely that again was handed out in cash to the general population to encourage stimulas then great but it's going to a relatively small group of contractors. By your definition governments should spend feverishly in order to generate more money, it doesn't work like that. I find the cost deplorable and i don't care as i don't live in the city of Toronto. It's a mind boggling number that is just beyond anything any reasonable person would expect it to cost.