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06-18-2010, 04:58 PM   #1
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Another BP apologist

I can't believe how some of these pols twist themselves in knots trying to criticize President Obama. I understand that their role is to be the opposition, but these statements are so out of whack with what the public is feeling right now. Then, after being criticized for their statements, they back off. I'd have a lot more respect for these people if they stood their ground if they really believed it.

Bachmann calls oil spill victim escrow account ?a redistribution-of-wealth fund? Minnesota Independent: News. Politics. Media.

This is Michelle Bachmann quoted about the $20 billion escrow fund

The president just called for creating a fund that would be administered by outsiders, which would be more of a redistribution-of-wealth fund. And now it appears like we’ll be looking at one more gateway for more government control, more money to government. If there is a disaster, why is it that government is the one who always seems to benefit after a disaster, and that’s of course what cap-and-trade would be.

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Time to post those articles about all of her farm subsidies, I guess.

Why is it that those IN the government are always those bitching most hardcore about "the government"?
06-19-2010, 07:00 AM   #3
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Just an interesting read

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Gulf oil spill: A hole in the world | From the Guardian | The Guardian


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None of this sloppiness would have been possible, however, had BP not been making its predictions to a political class eager to believe that nature had indeed been mastered. Some, like Republican Lisa Murkowski, were more eager than others. The Alaskan senator was so awe-struck by the industry's four-dimensional seismic imaging that she proclaimed deep-sea drilling to have reached the very height of controlled artificiality. "It's better than Disneyland in terms of how you can take technologies and go after a resource that is thousands of years old and do so in an environmentally sound way," she told the Senate energy committee just seven months ago.

Drilling without thinking has of course been Republican party policy since May 2008. With gas prices soaring to unprecedented heights, that's when the conservative leader Newt Gingrich unveiled the slogan "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less" – with an emphasis on the now. The wildly popular campaign was a cry against caution, against study, against measured action. In Gingrich's telling, drilling at home wherever the oil and gas might be – locked in Rocky Mountain shale, in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and deep offshore – was a surefire way to lower the price at the pump, create jobs, and kick Arab ass all at once. In the face of this triple win, caring about the environment was for sissies: as senator Mitch McConnell put it, "in Alabama and Mississippi and Louisiana and Texas, they think oil rigs are pretty". By the time the infamous "Drill Baby Drill" Republican national convention rolled around, the party base was in such a frenzy for US-made fossil fuels, they would have bored under the convention floor if someone had brought a big enough drill.

Obama, eventually, gave in, as he invariably does. With cosmic bad timing, just three weeks before the Deepwater Horizon blew up, the president announced he would open up previously protected parts of the country to offshore drilling. The practice was not as risky as he had thought, he explained. "Oil rigs today generally don't cause spills. They are technologically very advanced." That wasn't enough for Sarah Palin, however, who sneered at the Obama administration's plans to conduct more studies before drilling in some areas. "My goodness, folks, these areas have been studied to death," she told the Southern Republican leadership conference in New Orleans, now just 11 days before the blowout. "Let's drill, baby, drill, not stall, baby, stall!" And there was much rejoicing.
Blow out preventors, what we knew or didn't know... pretty obvious we (ie gov) allowed "sloppiness" for at least a decade.....
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0617/Studies-suggest-MMS-knew-blowout-prev...critical-flaws
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Each of those four design flaws – detailed in three studies conducted for the US Minerals Management Service (MMS) during the past decade – threatened the ability of blowout preventers in deep water to function in an emergency.

Yet the flaws did not result in federal safety alerts or tougher standards for blowout preventer (BOP) manufacturers, say experts familiar with the MMS response to such findings.
Well let's just go and blame Obama...... easier that way.
A bit more..........
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the study recommended that the government loosen its testing regimen for this type of ram – once every 77 days rather than every 30 days. The blind-shear ram on the Deepwater Horizon rig is suspected of failing to cut through the pipe to close off the blowout.

The study also found big disparities between the failure rates of older blowout preventers and newer models. BOP failure rates also varied by company: Some firms' equipment failed six times sooner than other firms' BOPs.

Authors of the report at West Engineering, a Brookshire, Texas, consulting firm, refused multiple requests for comment. A spokesman at the American Petroleum Institute declined to comment.

Cameron International, which made the BOP used on the Deepwater Horizon rig, has "never characterized company products as fail-safe," says spokesman Mike Pascale.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0602/Before-BP-oil-spill-Big-Oil-led-study...g/%28page%29/3
Anew non-bp apologist.. covering their but or what???
http://www.anadarko.com/Investor/Pages/NewsReleases/NewsReleases.aspx?release-id=1439839
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"The mounting evidence clearly demonstrates that this tragedy was preventable and the direct result of BP's reckless decisions and actions. Frankly, we are shocked by the publicly available information that has been disclosed in recent investigations and during this week's testimony that, among other things, indicates BP operated unsafely and failed to monitor and react to several critical warning signs during the drilling of the Macondo well. BP's behavior and actions likely represent gross negligence or willful misconduct and thus affect the obligations of the parties under the operating agreement," continued Hackett.

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The funny thing is, 'progressivism' and 'conservatism' seem situational. I.e. a 'conservative' in most areas turns eagerly progressive when it comes to oil drilling and other such items... while a 'progressive' becomes instantly conservative when it comes to oil drilling.

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There needs to be a trust fund. $20 B is way way too light. $200 B would be a good start. However, I don't think it should be implemented and oversaw by the Executive Branch. That would be like the fox building the hen house and then looking after the chickens.

In the end, British/Swedish Petroleum will go bankrupt like Exxon did and will be absorbed like they were and (accent on) The Little People (accent off) will pick up the tab anyway.

Who ever is responsible for the mistakes that led to the destruction of D.H. should be held accountable from the wee little Indian all the way up to the Big Chief. That also goes to the regulators that pencil whipped it and gave them awards and all that.
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There needs to be a trust fund. $20 B is way way too light. $200 B would be a good start. However, I don't think it should be implemented and oversaw by the Executive Branch. That would be like the fox building the hen house and then looking after the chickens.
A bit like Social Security and Medicare then eh? Masses of money given to politicians to look after for everyone else's "benefit"... Another brilliantly liberal idea...
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A bit like Social Security and Medicare then eh? Masses of money given to politicians to look after for everyone else's "benefit"... Another brilliantly liberal idea...
No, we should cut taxes for BP. What do you think they'll do? Pay for the clean up or increase dividends?

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No, we should cut taxes for BP. What do you think they'll do? Pay for the clean up or increase dividends?
Why stop there - we should give them - and the entire industry - a special tax credit for further developing their deep sea extraction, to make up for the hardship stemming from this incident.
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I suppose the fact that they are drilling in deeper and therefore more risky circumstances has nothing to do with them being forced to drill out there because leftist government regulations have forced them further and further offshore when, actually, the least risky drilling can be done on land.
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Non risky, as in almost certain damage to the ecosystem and the likely decimation of species, in a national wildlife preserve?
06-23-2010, 06:39 AM   #11
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Non risky, as in almost certain damage to the ecosystem and the likely decimation of species, in a national wildlife preserve?
It's a whole lot easier to drill on land. It's also a whole lot easier to clean up on land. It's also a whole lot easier to stop the flow on land. The liberal tree huggers are as much at fault.
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Non risky, as in almost certain damage to the ecosystem and the likely decimation of species, in a national wildlife preserve?
It would be a lot easier to plug a hole in 500' of water compared to 5000' of water . . .
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It would be a lot easier to plug a hole in 500' of water compared to 5000' of water . . .
Well, it didn't seem so easy for this spill in 160' deep water....

Ixtoc I oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Well, it didn't seem so easy for this spill in 160' deep water....

Ixtoc I oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
How far do you think the tech has developed since 1979? Furthermore, the Mexicans had a worse blow out in 1993. They are still drilling as is Venezuela, Trinidad etc. Then again maybe BHO should interrupt his golf game and baseball visits long enough to call the Mexicans and ask for help plus suspend the Jones Rule long enough to bring in the super tankers to help clean the mess up.

There going to jack off until a hurricane pops up an the site has to be abandoned for a 10 day window if not longer. The relief well should have been started immediately. The White House is starting to look like a Chicago lawfirm that panders to racketeers, union bosses, and mob bosses.

Edit: How much money does G. Soros make on oil speculation and ventures?
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You should read your links...

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Mexico's government-owned oil company
Yep... They brought in the experts to drill...

We all know that if you want anything royally screwed up you bring in the government...
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