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| 06-24-2010, 03:06 PM | #1 |
| Is the Left still brimming with confidence? Link New poll shows Obama approval at all-time low  Quote: A new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll finds Obama's approval rating to be the lowest it's been since he took office 18 months ago. According to the poll, only 45 percent approve of the job Obama is doing in the White House, compared with 48 percent who disapprove. And the numbers only get worse from there: Sixty-two percent of respondents believe the country is on the wrong track — the highest number recorded since just before Election Day in 2008 — and just one-third believe things are going to get better, a 7-point drop since a month ago and the lowest such number in the Obama presidency. | |
| 06-24-2010, 03:44 PM | #3 |
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well it does get a bit disheartening when you realize how many sheep there are out there............. baaaaaa.............  | |
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| 06-24-2010, 03:59 PM | #5 |
| Is the Left still brimming with confidence? Well no, actually, I'm not confident at all. We may never be able to undo the damage the right has done (endless and aimless war, the looting of Main street, out of control deficits and the emasculation of financial and environmental regulation.)  | |
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Originally posted by gokenin  House of Representatives 2000 223 Republican 211Democrat 2002 229 Republican 212 Democrat 2004 232 Republican 202 Democrat 2006 233 Democrat 202 Republican 2008 257 Democrat 178 Republican Senate 2000 50 Republican 50 Democrat 2002 51 Republican 49 Democrat 2004 55 Republican 45 Democrat 2006 51 Democrat 49 Republican 2008 59Democrat 41 Republican Now I know thats its completely impossible for some people here to actually remember that the Legislative Branch of the government has any impact with the governing of the United States and that we are a dictatorship in reality with the President having all control over our lives. I ask you to show me using the information shown above when the Democratic Party had absolutely no ability to influence the governing of this country? One could actually argue that the Democratic Party has been in control since 2006 regardless of who was in the White House at the time. How about Bush's inaction........ Bush Veto Action Sets 200 Year Record Quote: Despite having never exercised his veto pen, and enjoying a Congress controlled by his own party, Bush recently trotted out the long-standing executive branch request for line-item veto. The Supreme Court found the line-item veto unconstitutional (6-3) during the Clinton era. As this chart from zFacts shows, one of the results of that non-working pen is resumption of increased gross national debt. When viewed as a percent of GDP, it shows only two upswings since 1950: 12 years under Reagan-Bush and now five more under Bush 43. Quote: As of December 2008, President George W. Bush had vetoed only 12 bills since taking office in January 2001. Only one Presidential veto occurred before Democrats took control of Congress in January 2007. This is the fewest Presidential vetoes of any modern President; in March 2006 Bush set a 200-year veto record. Source: US Senate Quote: So why is it that George Bush, one of the most politically controversial U.S. presidents, hasn’t used his veto power? We know that Bush doesn’t have veto-phobia. As governor of Texas from 1995 through 1999, he vetoed 97 bills. From legislation providing lawyers for poor people to a Patient Protection Act, Bush freely wielded his red pen to block the Texas Legislature. Instead, Bush’s no-veto record may in part be the result of an infrequent occurrence: the majorities in the House and Senate are of the same political party as the president. The Republicans in Congress are ideologically aligned with the president and have, for the most part, only sent him bills he would be inclined to sign. In addition, Karl Rove, Bush’s key political strategist, has advised against using presidential vetoes because they risk alienating interest groups friendly to the administration that benefit from Republican legislation...........................For nine months Congress has been log-jammed on the highways and transit spending bill. The bill is currently in conference, where members are trying to hammer out the differences between the $318 billion Senate bill and the $283 billion House bill. But that isn’t the real problem. President Bush officially declared that he would veto any transportation bill over $256 billion. That spending limit is a priority for Bush to help bolster his “fiscally conservative” image that many see as flagging, given the gigantic 28.8 percent increase in federal spending since he took office (with non-defense discretionary growth of 35.7 percent) --the fastest rates of increase in 30 years. In hindsight this is a tad funny............ Quote: NEVER say that they can't multi-task. While members of the Republican National Committee snipe at each other over l'affair nègre magique, their vice chairman was drafting a resolution condemning the work of... President Bush. A motion to be debated at the RNC's late January meeting would officially state its opposition to "socialist" bail-outs of the financial and car industries. "For the past eight years, the RNC has been the political outreach of the White House," said Arizona GOP Chairman Randy Pullen, another resolution cosponsor who opposed what he regarded as Mr. Bush's pro-amnesty immigration bill and his "economic policies promoting the 'ownership society' because they would eventually lead to the financial meltdown we are currently experiencing." "It is now time for the RNC to assert itself in terms of ideas and political philosophy," Mr. Pullen added. "If we don't do it now, when will we?" When? Hm. Perhaps after members of the RNC stop ranting to reporters about how Chip Saltsman's "magic negro" Christmas gift has made them more likely to support him. As to Congress....... Quote: Also in the poll, only 23 percent approve of the job that Congress is doing, a decline of eight points since April. That number is within striking distance of the 16-percent rating Congress held in October 2006, just before Republicans lost control of both the Senate and House in last year’s midterms. Republicans abandoning Bush - Politics- msnbc.com One more quote........ Quote: Furthermore, the survey -- which was taken of 1,008 adults from June 8-11, and which has a margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points -- shows that just 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction. That’s the lowest number on that question in nearly 15 years. By comparison, a whopping 68 percent think the country is on the wrong track. Campaign trail Turning to the 2008 presidential election, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has widened her lead in the contest for the Democratic nomination, HISTORICALLY hysterical............. Quote: "I want the Republicans back in power instead of the Texas Republicans, the crazy crowd that runs the White House and dominates the Congress. ... "Unlike the more broadly based traditional Republican party, Texas Republicanism has a narrow but politically effective base -- the hard-core extremist Christian right-wingers and the corporate and businesses interests whose only real ideology is money. " Quote: DETROIT -- Our nation and the world would be far better off with the Republicans in charge. No, I haven't taken leave of my senses. I want the Republicans back in power instead of the Texas Republicans, the crazy crowd that runs the White House and dominates the Congress. Texas Republicans created an unnecessary war, made Americans despised around the world and our nation less secure, attacked basic civil and human rights, lost millions of jobs, made the rich richer and the poor poorer, left 40 million Americans without health insurance, defiled the environment, created record deficits and fiscal chaos, debased political discourse and twisted democratic institutions. The Republican Party of the 19th and 20th centuries stood for good and decent things, and the party produced many able presidents and congressional leaders who changed America for the better. The Texas Republican party of George W. Bush has as much in common with the party of Abraham Lincoln as the ACLU does with the Ku Klux Klan. George W. Bush and his "brain," top political adviser Karl Rove, took Texas Republican politics to the national and international stage. The damage they've already done will take decades to undo. Unlike the more broadly based traditional Republican party, Texas Republicanism has a narrow but politically effective base -- the hard-core extremist Christian right-wingers and the corporate and businesses interests whose only real ideology is money. The religious right provides the political foot soldiers, and the pulpits of righteousness and the corporations fund the campaigners. Karl Rove developed this winning formula in state campaigns in Texas and now uses it nationally. Texas Republicans like to call themselves conservatives, but they really are not. No true conservative would tolerate the deficits, the assault on the Bill of Rights, the protectionist tariffs on foreign steel and the shameless subsidies and corporate welfare the Bush administration fosters. They just figure that, if they constantly refer to themselves as conservatives, people will buy it. So far, they generally do. Just say you're for the Ten Commandments in schools, limited rights for gays, the death penalty, guns everywhere and tax cuts, and favor a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, and people won't look carefully at those other telling issues. Much of the impetus for the Texas Republican brand of vile politics came from Rush Limbaugh, the admitted druggie who used the airwaves to create an atmosphere of intolerance, exclusion and distrust. The fact that he was usually high or seeking highs from street-drug merchants explains much of his distorted thinking, and those under his spell must now examine all the shallow rhetoric they bought into with such blind faith. Limbaugh, as influential as he was dope-crazed, helped spawn the radical right's seizure of the Republican Party. Newt Gingrich accelerated that process and effectively silenced moderate voices in the Republican congressional leadership. He led his forces to control of the House with the well-marketed, but thoroughly fraudulent, "Contract with America." Newt claimed the Republicans were "idea-driven," but, in fact, he spent most of his time as speaker of the House as an angry, shrill voice of divisiveness, attacking anything the Democrats or President Clinton advanced. Gingrich's hubris and the public's disgust with his vituperative style led to his fall from power, but his bitter resentment and vision of the Republican Party as a club for the radical right lives on in the person of Tom DeLay, the House majority leader from Texas. DeLay, who's Newt Gingrich without the charm, actually runs the House. Speaker Dennis Hastert is a mere figurehead. He takes all his cues from DeLay, an iron-fisted political thug who sees government and the Republican Party as instruments to protect and enhance private interests. The broader public good never enters DeLay's mind. The former exterminator did inhale a considerable volume of pesticides while driving cockroaches out of the slums of Houston. The long-term effect of chemicals on his mind, like the drugs on Limbaugh's, brings a medical dimension to their political views. DeLay leans shamelessly on big-money interests to pay dues to the Republican Party. He practices legal extortion with impunity and rewards those who kick in, based solely on campaign donations and promises of political support. DeLay practices the politics of the religious right -- that's Christian minus the beatitudes -- and he uses his power to advance every wacko extremist position imaginable. The few moderate voices in the Republican Senate have no chance getting anything past DeLay. The Senate version of the $87 billion for the colonial tab in Iraq includes a provision to provide some of that money in the form of long-term loans. Reasonable enough, thought the Republican moderates, but George W. will have no part of that and he can play hardball, knowing full well fellow Texas Republican DeLay will kill the loan provision in conference. These guys think compromise is a sin. Looking at the pantheon of 20th-century Republican leaders, most of them would, at least, be uncomfortable, and many of them would be run right out of the Texas Republican party. Teddy Roosevelt, for sure. His passion for nature and national parks would be a big strike against him. Toss that in with his attacks on monopolies and child labor and his support of multinationalism, and old T.R. would be booed in Crawford, Texas.................Eisenhower's greatest offense to Texas Republicanism was his wise warning of the dangers of the "military-industrial complex," a phrase he coined. The Bush administration is beyond cozy with military contractors. It's a full partnership, a seamless garment of collusion that would make Ike sick. Barry Goldwater -- "Mr. Conservative" and the 1964 Republican presidential candidate -- would find the Patriot Act repugnant, the Bush deficits an abomination and the Texas Republican social agenda intolerant. Richard Nixon, crook that he was, did some very good things. Nixon signed the law creating the Environmental Protection Agency and supported federal revenue-sharing with state and local governments. On the international scene, Nixon brought China into the community of nations and sought to engage the Soviet Union. Bush and his Texas gang always choose war and confrontation over engagement. Iran, North Korea and Syria are demonized, driving them into more isolation and creating greater threats. Bully is better, say the Texans. Bush is even rattling his sabers at Cuba in a disgracefully transparent ploy to win votes in Florida. Even Nixon would have more sense that that. Gerald Ford was a healer with a gentle manner. The Texas Republicans would consider him "soft." During the economic downturn, Ford supported the Comprehensive Employment and Training Act, a program whereby the federal government funded hundreds of thousands of public service jobs, immediately pumping billions of dollars into the economy and helping people find work. Ford didn't think big tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans was the way to get the economy moving. Ronald Reagan ended the arms race with the Soviet Union and said we had to trust our old enemies in the long, costly Cold War. The neocons who now shape the foreign policy for the Texas Republicans did not support Reagan's bold and courageous initiative that gave the world hope for peace. Even the president's daddy, an essentially moderate man, doesn't fit the bill for Texas Republicans. In his book, "The World Transformed," George H.W. Bush wrote of the dangers he saw in deciding not to occupy Iraq after the Gulf War. "We should not march into Baghdad. To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and making a broken tyrant into a latter-day Arab hero. Assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning them to fight what would be an unwinnable urban guerrilla war, it could only plunge that part of the world into even greater instability," Bush the Elder prophetically noted. Pretty well sums it up........ THIS too........ one little quote Quote: What were the Republicans smoking? Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 18:12 ET What were the Republicans smoking?Congress gave Bush everything he asked for. Republican apparatchiks controlled every agency from the Pentagon to the Treasury Department. Fox News savants expressed intermittent outrage that dissent was permitted. Rush Limbaugh's interviews of Dick Cheney sounded like a high-school girl gushing over the Jonas Brothers......................In troubled times, even great nations can go stark, raving mad. 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| 06-24-2010, 06:26 PM | #10 |
| Originally posted by jeffkrol Just try to stop a run away train on a dime...... How about Bush's inaction........ Bush Veto Action Sets 200 Year Record Presidential Vetos - Bills Vetoed by President George W. Bush (2001-2008) Bush Has Threatened to Use the Veto 40 Times, but Never Has--What's Up? In hindsight this is a tad funny............ Republicans against Bush | The Economist As to Congress....... Repub Congress... 16% yeeeesh....... Republicans abandoning Bush - Politics- msnbc.com One more quote........ last bit was to date the article...... List of United States presidential vetoes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You will notice from the website above that President Bush actually vetoed 12 bills and the percentage that was overturned 33% using the chart that you have provided Presidential Vetos - Bills Vetoed by President George W. Bush (2001-2008) You will notice that all of these occurred after 2006 so obviously it implies that the Democrats did have some ability to influence control of what happened in the US since 2006 or for the past 4 years . Interesting thing there by the way if you notice Clinton vetoed 37 times and was overidden 2 times or 5% and nice deception with the Bush sets 200 year record snippet by the way there you didn't really explain that the record was for the least amount of vetoes and you can't say that was because he had an overwhelming majority in the legislature. Quote: Furthermore, the survey -- which was taken of 1,008 adults from June 8-11, and which has a margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points -- shows that just 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction. That’s the lowest number on that question in nearly 15 years. By comparison, a whopping 68 percent think the country is on the wrong track. Campaign trail Turning to the 2008 presidential election, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has widened her lead in the contest for the Democratic nomination my god wait for it http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/righ...or_wrong_track 28% right direction 67% wrong direction. but wait thats from Rasmussen so heck those stats dont mean anything now do they . Statistics boy are they a wonderful thing or what surfing Last edited by gokenin; 06-24-2010 at 06:34 PM. | |
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| 06-24-2010, 06:38 PM | #12 |
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Ira: As if to prove something I said in another thread you respond to a question about the left's confidence with:- Quote: Republicans, on the other hand, cheer Palin--a certifiable MORON. You should be reserving such vitriol for yourself because you are the one spewing all the hatred. Just to remind you, the topic was Obama's poll ratings regarding his performance not whether we like the fool... | |
| 06-24-2010, 06:42 PM | #13 |
| Originally posted by GingeM Ira: As if to prove something I said in another thread you respond to a question about the left's confidence with:- Is it ok for me to call Pelosi a commie whore? How about Cheeks Kilpatrick, is she an ignorant black socialist cow or are you going to call me out for being sexist, racist, bigoted etc.? You should be reserving such vitriol for yourself because you are the one spewing all the hatred. Just to remind you, the topic was Obama's poll ratings regarding his performance not whether we like the fool... | |
| 06-24-2010, 06:46 PM | #15 |
| Originally posted by gokenin Now isnt the internet a wonderful thing it lets you support almost anything you want List of United States presidential vetoes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You will notice from the website above that President Bush actually vetoed 12 bills and the percentage that was overturned 33% using the chart that you have provided Presidential Vetos - Bills Vetoed by President George W. Bush (2001-2008) You will notice that all of these occurred after 2006 so obviously it implies that the Democrats did have some ability to influence control of what happened in the US since 2006 or for the past 4 years . Interesting thing there by the way if you notice Clinton vetoed 37 times and was overidden 2 times or 5% and nice deception with the Bush sets 200 year record snippet by the way there you didn't really explain that the record was for the least amount of vetoes and you can't say that was because he had an overwhelming majority in the legislature. Quote: Furthermore, the survey -- which was taken of 1,008 adults from June 8-11, and which has a margin of error of plus-minus 3.1 percentage points -- shows that just 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction. That’s the lowest number on that question in nearly 15 years. By comparison, a whopping 68 percent think the country is on the wrong track. Campaign trail Turning to the 2008 presidential election, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton has widened her lead in the contest for the Democratic nomination my god wait for it Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reports 28% right direction 67% wrong direction. but wait thats from Rasmussen so heck those stats dont mean anything now do they . Statistics boy are they a wonderful thing or what surfing The only point is "the buck stops here" He could have vetoed any bad bill. Gave coherent reasons for doing so ect... He let a whole bunch of "others" run the country for him. Except for a few bad days he probably barely broke a sweat... Quote: "What do you want to do Dick?? OK sounds good, let me put on my president face......... Trust me if Obama lets "crap" get thorough I will hold him accountable (as you do).. Now to be painfully honest, any president can't catch all the crap..and some may be given credit for trying.... I'm sorry, I just CANNOT allow Bush off the hook for all the bad stuff he created. Bottom line. I initially was really fearful his Dad would be our worst nightmare as Prez but he actually turned out OK. I and probably got lulled (like a few others I suspect) that what harm can Baby Bush do??? All I can say is WOW was I wrong. I wonder what his father REALLY thinks of his son's presidency? Last edited by jeffkrol; 06-24-2010 at 06:59 PM. | |
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