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06-29-2010, 08:53 AM   #1
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Newspapers Retract 'Climategate' Claims, but Damage Still Done

"A lie can get halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on, as Mark Twain said (or “before the truth gets a chance to put its pants on,” in Winston Churchill’s version), and nowhere has that been more true than in "climategate." In that highly orchestrated, manufactured scandal, e-mails hacked from computers at the University of East Anglia’s climate-research group were spread around the Web by activists who deny that human activity is altering the world’s climate in a dangerous way, and spun so as to suggest that the scientists had been lying, cheating, and generally cooking the books.

But not only did British investigators clear the East Anglia scientist at the center of it all, Phil Jones, of scientific impropriety and dishonesty in April, an investigation at Penn State cleared PSU climatologist Michael Mann of “falsifying or suppressing data, intending to delete or conceal e-mails and information, and misusing privileged or confidential information” in February. In perhaps the biggest backpedaling, The Sunday Times of London, which led the media pack in charging that IPCC reports were full of egregious (and probably intentional) errors, retracted its central claim—namely, that the IPCC statement that up to 40 percent of the Amazonian rainforest could be vulnerable to climate change was “unsubstantiated.” The Times also admitted that it had totally twisted the remarks of one forest expert to make it sound as if he agreed that the IPCC had screwed up, when he said no such thing."

Newspapers Retract 'Climategate' Claims, but Damage Still Done - Newsweek

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and watch, right here on this forum someone will be dragging out climategate at an opportune moment in the coming months.
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QuoteOriginally posted by johnmflores Quote
"A lie can get halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on, as Mark Twain said (or “before the truth gets a chance to put its pants on,” in Winston Churchill’s version), and nowhere has that been more true than in "climategate." In that highly orchestrated, manufactured scandal, e-mails hacked from computers at the University of East Anglia’s climate-research group were spread around the Web by activists who deny that human activity is altering the world’s climate in a dangerous way, and spun so as to suggest that the scientists had been lying, cheating, and generally cooking the books.

But not only did British investigators clear the East Anglia scientist at the center of it all, Phil Jones, of scientific impropriety and dishonesty in April, an investigation at Penn State cleared PSU climatologist Michael Mann of “falsifying or suppressing data, intending to delete or conceal e-mails and information, and misusing privileged or confidential information” in February. In perhaps the biggest backpedaling, The Sunday Times of London, which led the media pack in charging that IPCC reports were full of egregious (and probably intentional) errors, retracted its central claim—namely, that the IPCC statement that up to 40 percent of the Amazonian rainforest could be vulnerable to climate change was “unsubstantiated.” The Times also admitted that it had totally twisted the remarks of one forest expert to make it sound as if he agreed that the IPCC had screwed up, when he said no such thing."

Newspapers Retract 'Climategate' Claims, but Damage Still Done - Newsweek
Come on. Of course the "investigators" found it was false. How else could we keep up this money making charade?

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Come on. Off course the "investigators" found it was false. How else could we keep up this money making charade?
When was the last time you adjusted your belief system based on prevailing data versus crediting or discrediting prevailing data to fit your belief system?

In other words, when was the last time you were objective?

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QuoteOriginally posted by johnmflores Quote
When was the last time you adjusted your belief system based on prevailing data versus crediting or discrediting prevailing data to fit your belief system?

In other words, when was the last time you were objective?
HA!

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When was the last time you adjusted your belief system based on prevailing data versus crediting or discrediting prevailing data to fit your belief system?

In other words, when was the last time you were objective?
I am always objective.
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I am always objective.
Of course he's objective. He objects to everything you say.

Sorry guys, I just couldn't let that one slip by. Back to our regularly scheduled thread.
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Okay, that was funny!

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Of course he's objective. He objects to everything you say.

Sorry guys, I just couldn't let that one slip by. Back to our regularly scheduled thread.
Only when it makes no sense. Which might be most of the time.
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Come on. Of course the "investigators" found it was false. How else could we keep up this money making charade?
While it's true there's money to be made mitigating global warming, there's more money to be made ignoring it - and this money is the most conservative, hidebound sort of money, oil and cars and factories sort of money.

The monetary criticism is separate from scientific veracity. The doubt cast on the science smacks of industrial espionage to me.

It's like the tobacco companies complaining that anti-smoking findings are bogus, because there's so much money to be made from anti-smoking programs.
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It's like the tobacco companies complaining that anti-smoking findings are bogus, because there's so much money to be made from anti-smoking programs.
All I can think of is this quote:

"Personally, I liked working for the university! They gave us money and facilities. We didn't have to produce anything. You've never been out of college. You don't know what it's like out there! I've worked in the private sector... they expect results!"
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there's more money to be made ignoring it
Quite to the contrary. There's much more money inventing an entire infrastructure than there is maintaining an existing one... Much more money.
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Quite to the contrary. There's much more money inventing an entire infrastructure than there is maintaining an existing one... Much more money.

How much money did the oil companies make last year?

The capital intensive industries see their best interests in maintaining current status quo - the price of entry into their turf ensures little risk of disruption by newcomers. They see revenue risk in global warming and therefore are vehemently against the very idea.

How much money did the global warming cabal make last year? Who are they anyway? Who is making more money than the big oil and the industries dependent on oil?

No, my friend, the money is clearly on the side that's against the very idea of global warming.

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How much money did the oil companies make last year?
Utterly irrelevant. A better question would be:-

How much money has it cost to put a gas station on almost every street corner in the USA and everything that goes along with maintaining that infrastructure.

In the end it far exceeds the product itself.
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Utterly irrelevant. A better question would be:-

How much money has it cost to put a gas station on almost every street corner in the USA and everything that goes along with maintaining that infrastructure.

In the end it far exceeds the product itself.
And you think this investment isn't something big oil would want to defend, with the same tactics as the tobacco industry used/uses re. medical evidence about tobacco?

I don't understand your inability to see which side the bread's buttered for a lot of industry.

But perhaps that's just because you don't really believe in the evidence, and don't want anything to be done about it.
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