It's official: Obama is a Socialist

GingeM · 07-09-2010, 02:18 PM

55 Percent of Likely Voters Find ‘Socialist’ an Accurate Label of Obama?

Quote:

The latest poll by Democracy Corps, the firm of James Carville and Stan Greenberg, has Republicans leading on the generic ballot among likely voters, 48 percent to 42 percent.
Deep in the poll, they ask, “Now, I am going to read you a list of words and phrases which people use to describe political figures. For each word or phrase, please tell me whether it describes Barack Obama very well, well, not too well, or not well at all.”
On “too liberal,” 35 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 21 percent say “well,” 21 percent say “not too well,” and 17 percent say “not well at all.” In other words, 56 percent of likely voters consider Obama too liberal.
When asked about “a socialist,” 33 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 22 percent say “well,” 15 percent say “not too well,” and 25 percent say “not well at all.”
In other words, 55 percent of likely voters think “socialist” is a reasonably accurate way of describing Obama.

I know the Libs will whine about the source but the authors of the study are well know Libs.

Ratmagiclady · 07-09-2010, 02:28 PM

It's official: Few Know What 'Socialist' means.

Nesster · 07-09-2010, 02:31 PM

Hey, the people have spoken.
I looked at the form and it has the usual leading designs, but big deal.

To continue with unimpeachable sources
FOXNews.com - More Believe In God Than Heaven - Polls | AP Polls | Gallup Poll | Opinion Polls
82% of Americans believe in miracles
34% in ghosts
34% in UFOs
28% in astrology
25% in reincarnation
24% in witches

True, Republicans are more likely to believe in hell and the devil, and Democrats in reincarnation, astrology and ghosts.

Religious beliefs of Americans about ghosts, Satan, Heaven, Hell, etc.

shows that over time around 50% of Americans believe in ghosts

This is appropriate as the pollsters and other Republicans see a ghost when they look at Obama. Socialist = ghost, capitalist is more true if you look at what the guy actually says and does.

**dadipentak** · 07-09-2010, 02:38 PM

Right--and if 55% thought the sun rose in the west that would make it true as well.

Oldschool · 07-09-2010, 02:38 PM

I Obama and the Democrats are Socialists, I guess the opposition are fascists.

GingeM · 07-09-2010, 02:42 PM

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24% in witches

Why would anyone not believe in witches? I know several people who say they are witches. It doesn't mean they have any special powers or anything... A bit like the pope really...

Ratmagiclady · 07-09-2010, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by GingeM

Why would anyone not believe in witches? I know several people who say they are witches. It doesn't mean they have any special powers or anything... A bit like the pope really...

*wiggling nose* Not ostensibly.

Yet your fear of 'Socialists' is far more ignorant, fervent, and fantastical.

*sparkle.*

(Funny hearing that, by the way, from a guy who claims the entire *universe* is arbitrarily-supernatural. It doesn't confer an understanding of historial economic theories, though.)

Last edited by Ratmagiclady; 07-09-2010 at 03:12 PM.

deadwolfbones · 07-09-2010, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Ratmagiclady

It's official: Few Know What 'Socialist' means.

qft

10char

GeneV · 07-09-2010, 03:21 PM

And the generic [opposition party] always looks better than the [opposition party] in the flesh.

Phil1 · 07-09-2010, 03:59 PM

'I(f) Obama and the Democrats are Socialists, I guess the opposition are fascists.'

That might not work well:

Our friend Benito Muussolini:
His father, an ardent Socialist, was a blacksmith; his mother was a teacher. Mussolini taught briefly and lived (1902-4) in Switzerland to avoid military service. He achieved national prominence for his opposition to the Libyan War (1911-12) and, as leader of the revolutionary left of the Socialist party, became editor of the Socialist daily Avanti (1913).

Try nazi, oh wait they are the National Socialists aka Nazis.

Well racist, bigot, cracker, taxpayer and selfish usually works for the left right?

Ratmagiclady · 07-09-2010, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Phil1

'I(f) Obama and the Democrats are Socialists, I guess the opposition are fascists.'

That might not work well:

Our friend Benito Muussolini:
His father, an ardent Socialist, was a blacksmith; his mother was a teacher. Mussolini taught briefly and lived (1902-4) in Switzerland to avoid military service. He achieved national prominence for his opposition to the Libyan War (1911-12) and, as leader of the revolutionary left of the Socialist party, became editor of the Socialist daily Avanti (1913).

Try nazi, oh wait they are the National Socialists aka Nazis.

Well racist, bigot, cracker, taxpayer and selfish usually works for the left right?

Did I mention this poll shows how many people have no idea what socialism is?

Yes, that includes Hitler and Mussolini.

They were called 'fascists' (by socialists and everyone else) for a *reason.* Mussolini *said what he was doing was *fascism,* ...that's where we get the name... And...
'National Socialism' was not socialism. (If you want to look for what resembles the precepts of National Socialism, the Texas GOP just turned out a very good facsimile. Decent health care plans not included.)

Vehemently advertised as such when Hitler ran for office and was elected on a 'Christian Values' program and said Socialists needed to be exterminated. One of the ways he went after the Jews and gays was to claim they were Bolsheviks and socialists. You know, corrupting pure German values, and all.

Oldschool · 07-09-2010, 04:28 PM

I was just pointing out that labels can be dangerous. I apologize if you didn't get it.

Ratmagiclady · 07-09-2010, 04:35 PM

Yes, most of America has no *idea* what 'Socialism' means, except "enemy" and whatever the corporate media tell them it means this month, and who their churches and preachers and pundits tell them to accuse this week.

That's the *point.* They just label anything and anybody as that bogeyman, regardless of the facts of the present or of history. (Or, apparently, Gods forbid, the whole class of actual economic theories.)

It's treated as a *heresy,* not a *strategy* you could take or leave some of and work on.

Instead, they want to go McCarthy on what ain't even there to begin with.

Boo!

Come on. It's over. Let's do some stuff.

Frankly, it's the 'anti-communists' who are so afraid of Brezhnev's *ghost* that they clamor to get ripped off to the tune of thousands on health insurance that doesn't even *cover* them. At least you're not a 'socialist,' right?

Feh.

Expensive. Willful, strident, irrational, aggressive... hypermasculinized... ignorance, for which you impotently take out your anger at the results thereof... on whatever minority is at hand to blame, me included. While handing the corporations everything and acting like it'll 'free' your legacy and birthright against outsiders.

And *that,* my friends, is where *actual* 'National Socialism' came from.

Lest we forget.

Phil1 · 07-09-2010, 05:13 PM

'I was just pointing out that labels can be dangerous. I apologize if you didn't get it.'

No apology, I did get it fine but I had to do it.

FlashCube · 07-09-2010, 06:04 PM

BHO was mentored by Frank Davis and attended Communist Seminars in college to "clear his head." I'm guessing there is a reason he doesn't want his Occi, and Columbia transcripts aired out.

I don't recall millions of people pouring over the Soviet border to be under the leadership of Uncles Joe, Nikita, Breshnev and Leonid. There aren't hundreds of make shift boats made from 1950s trucks trying to get into Cuba. Venezuela isn't a major destination for illegal migrant workers otherwise Mexico wouldn't be guarding its southern border.

Some people need to go study the history of Mussolini and figure out why the clown could have been elected mayor of NYC in 1935-36 if he had ran.

Lastly, explain to me why the state of Missouri and the Federal governments released reports stating that people with Vote Ron Paul maybe domestic terrorist yet the New BP Party gets a pass even though they are out there advocating killing people of another race including children. Its not the first time in history that the DNC has advocated blocking the polling places or preventing people from voting. There poll tests is exactly why Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Condi Rice's family were Republican. Yet BHO and WJC get up in West Va and praise the Grand Wizard of the KKK at his funeral. Byrd, Fullbright, Gore what a crew. Just think if their filibuster had succeeded in 1964.

---------- Post added 07-09-10 at 06:06 PM ----------

Originally posted by Ratmagiclady

It's official: Few Know What 'Socialist' means.

Very astute. That's a big part of the reason BHO got elected.

07-09-2010, 02:18 PM	#1
GingeM Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North of Canada Posts: 612	It's official: Obama is a Socialist 55 Percent of Likely Voters Find ‘Socialist’ an Accurate Label of Obama? Link Quote: The latest poll by Democracy Corps, the firm of James Carville and Stan Greenberg, has Republicans leading on the generic ballot among likely voters, 48 percent to 42 percent. Deep in the poll, they ask, “Now, I am going to read you a list of words and phrases which people use to describe political figures. For each word or phrase, please tell me whether it describes Barack Obama very well, well, not too well, or not well at all.” On “too liberal,” 35 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 21 percent say “well,” 21 percent say “not too well,” and 17 percent say “not well at all.” In other words, 56 percent of likely voters consider Obama too liberal. When asked about “a socialist,” 33 percent of likely voters say it describes Obama “very well,” 22 percent say “well,” 15 percent say “not too well,” and 25 percent say “not well at all.” In other words, 55 percent of likely voters think “socialist” is a reasonably accurate way of describing Obama. I know the Libs will whine about the source but the authors of the study are well know Libs.

07-09-2010, 04:28 PM	#11
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by Phil1 'I(f) Obama and the Democrats are Socialists, I guess the opposition are fascists.' That might not work well: Our friend Benito Muussolini: His father, an ardent Socialist, was a blacksmith; his mother was a teacher. Mussolini taught briefly and lived (1902-4) in Switzerland to avoid military service. He achieved national prominence for his opposition to the Libyan War (1911-12) and, as leader of the revolutionary left of the Socialist party, became editor of the Socialist daily Avanti (1913). Try nazi, oh wait they are the National Socialists aka Nazis. Well racist, bigot, cracker, taxpayer and selfish usually works for the left right? Did I mention this poll shows how many people have no idea what socialism is? Yes, that includes Hitler and Mussolini. They were called 'fascists' (by socialists and everyone else) for a reason. Mussolini said what he was doing was fascism,* ...that's where we get the name... And... 'National Socialism' was not socialism. (If you want to look for what resembles the precepts of National Socialism, the Texas GOP just turned out a very good facsimile. Decent health care plans not included.) Vehemently advertised as such when Hitler ran for office and was elected on a 'Christian Values' program and said Socialists needed to be exterminated. One of the ways he went after the Jews and gays was to claim they were Bolsheviks and socialists. You know, corrupting pure German values, and all. Last edited by Ratmagiclady; 07-09-2010 at 04:34 PM.

07-09-2010, 04:35 PM	#13
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Yes, most of America has no idea what 'Socialism' means, except "enemy" and whatever the corporate media tell them it means this month, and who their churches and preachers and pundits tell them to accuse this week. That's the point. They just label anything and anybody as that bogeyman, regardless of the facts of the present or of history. (Or, apparently, Gods forbid, the whole class of actual economic theories.) It's treated as a heresy, not a strategy you could take or leave some of and work on. Instead, they want to go McCarthy on what ain't even there to begin with. Boo! Come on. It's over. Let's do some stuff. Frankly, it's the 'anti-communists' who are so afraid of Brezhnev's ghost that they clamor to get ripped off to the tune of thousands on health insurance that doesn't even cover them. At least you're not a 'socialist,' right? Feh. Expensive. Willful, strident, irrational, aggressive... hypermasculinized... ignorance, for which you impotently take out your anger at the results thereof... on whatever minority is at hand to blame, me included. While handing the corporations everything and acting like it'll 'free' your legacy and birthright against outsiders. And that, my friends, is where actual 'National Socialism' came from. Lest we forget. Last edited by Ratmagiclady; 07-09-2010 at 04:51 PM.

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07-09-2010, 02:28 PM	#2
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	It's official: Few Know What 'Socialist' means.

07-09-2010, 02:31 PM	#3
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Hey, the people have spoken. I looked at the form and it has the usual leading designs, but big deal. To continue with unimpeachable sources FOXNews.com - More Believe In God Than Heaven - Polls \| AP Polls \| Gallup Poll \| Opinion Polls 82% of Americans believe in miracles 34% in ghosts 34% in UFOs 28% in astrology 25% in reincarnation 24% in witches True, Republicans are more likely to believe in hell and the devil, and Democrats in reincarnation, astrology and ghosts. Religious beliefs of Americans about ghosts, Satan, Heaven, Hell, etc. shows that over time around 50% of Americans believe in ghosts This is appropriate as the pollsters and other Republicans see a ghost when they look at Obama. Socialist = ghost, capitalist is more true if you look at what the guy actually says and does.

07-09-2010, 02:38 PM	#4
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	Right--and if 55% thought the sun rose in the west that would make it true as well.

07-09-2010, 02:38 PM	#5
Oldschool Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Central NJ Posts: 1,278	I Obama and the Democrats are Socialists, I guess the opposition are fascists.

07-09-2010, 02:42 PM	#6
GingeM Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North of Canada Posts: 612 Original Poster	Quote: 24% in witches Why would anyone not believe in witches? I know several people who say they are witches. It doesn't mean they have any special powers or anything... A bit like the pope really...

07-09-2010, 03:01 PM	#7
Ratmagiclady Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: GA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,563	Originally posted by GingeM Why would anyone not believe in witches? I know several people who say they are witches. It doesn't mean they have any special powers or anything... A bit like the pope really... wiggling nose Not ostensibly. Yet your fear of 'Socialists' is far more ignorant, fervent, and fantastical. sparkle. (Funny hearing that, by the way, from a guy who claims the entire universe is arbitrarily-supernatural. It doesn't confer an understanding of historial economic theories, though.) Last edited by Ratmagiclady; 07-09-2010 at 03:12 PM.

07-09-2010, 03:12 PM	#8
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	Originally posted by Ratmagiclady It's official: Few Know What 'Socialist' means. qft 10char

07-09-2010, 03:21 PM	#9
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	And the generic [opposition party] always looks better than the [opposition party] in the flesh.

07-09-2010, 03:59 PM	#10
Phil1 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,292	'I(f) Obama and the Democrats are Socialists, I guess the opposition are fascists.' That might not work well: Our friend Benito Muussolini: His father, an ardent Socialist, was a blacksmith; his mother was a teacher. Mussolini taught briefly and lived (1902-4) in Switzerland to avoid military service. He achieved national prominence for his opposition to the Libyan War (1911-12) and, as leader of the revolutionary left of the Socialist party, became editor of the Socialist daily Avanti (1913). Try nazi, oh wait they are the National Socialists aka Nazis. Well racist, bigot, cracker, taxpayer and selfish usually works for the left right?

07-09-2010, 04:28 PM	#12
Oldschool Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Central NJ Posts: 1,278	I was just pointing out that labels can be dangerous. I apologize if you didn't get it.

07-09-2010, 05:13 PM	#14
Phil1 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,292	'I was just pointing out that labels can be dangerous. I apologize if you didn't get it.' No apology, I did get it fine but I had to do it.

07-09-2010, 06:04 PM	#15
FlashCube Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: In Transition Posts: 173	BHO was mentored by Frank Davis and attended Communist Seminars in college to "clear his head." I'm guessing there is a reason he doesn't want his Occi, and Columbia transcripts aired out. I don't recall millions of people pouring over the Soviet border to be under the leadership of Uncles Joe, Nikita, Breshnev and Leonid. There aren't hundreds of make shift boats made from 1950s trucks trying to get into Cuba. Venezuela isn't a major destination for illegal migrant workers otherwise Mexico wouldn't be guarding its southern border. Some people need to go study the history of Mussolini and figure out why the clown could have been elected mayor of NYC in 1935-36 if he had ran. Lastly, explain to me why the state of Missouri and the Federal governments released reports stating that people with Vote Ron Paul maybe domestic terrorist yet the New BP Party gets a pass even though they are out there advocating killing people of another race including children. Its not the first time in history that the DNC has advocated blocking the polling places or preventing people from voting. There poll tests is exactly why Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Condi Rice's family were Republican. Yet BHO and WJC get up in West Va and praise the Grand Wizard of the KKK at his funeral. Byrd, Fullbright, Gore what a crew. Just think if their filibuster had succeeded in 1964. ---------- Post added 07-09-10 at 06:06 PM ---------- Originally posted by Ratmagiclady It's official: Few Know What 'Socialist' means. Very astute. That's a big part of the reason BHO got elected.