[szurinaga]

For most of Obamarama's time in office he has had a super majority. Can't blame the GOP for any of this, this time. His own peeps are holding out for the kickbacks.

Right.... maybe you would want to look at this article

McCain: Don't expect GOP cooperation on legislation for the rest of this year - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

This is why I hate Republicans, they seriously act like little children. If people in congress don't agree with them, then they just filibuster the shit out of everything, or publicly come out like McCain and say "We aren't going to cooperate with you anymore!". Jesus, what a baby. It's the people of the country at stake, the republicans need to put their ego's aside for ONCE!

[jeffkrol]

But again, why are they obstructing bills? What is in those bills that is not being brought out. Like with ObamaScare that had student loans in it. Sure wish they had fully obstructed that bill that the majority of the country didn't want. Obamarama just rams it down your throat and out your rectum.

YEP what we need is more "enlightened ones" like this..........

The mess started last week when Angle was asked if she would have intervened in order to save MGM Resorts' City Center complex. The center suffered serious financial struggles last year during construction, and looked like it was about to go belly up. But Reid called several banks and got them to extend loans, helping the project avert bankruptcy.

Angle subsequently said on the radio that she wouldn't have stepped in. And later, she added that so doing would be "kind of like shifting the chairs on the Titanic." Given that Angle is already under fire for claiming that job creation isn't in a U.S. Senator's job description, these comments were obviously less than helpful.

Now Angle has tried to clarify these comments in an interview with the local Fox affiliate. She said:

"What I said on the radio is that I would not have voted for the stimulus for the City Center. And the reason is because what happened there was Harry Reid rewarded some friends at the expense of other businesses in town. Stimulus does not work and we've seen that with the unemployment rate going up."

But this project wasn't collecting any stimulus dollars. "There were no public dollars used for City Center," the Fox reporter rejoined, adding that what Reid "actually did was just pick up the phone and ask the banks to go ahead and loan some money that was needed in order to finish the construction [with] 22,000 jobs on the line."

The Plum Line - Sharron Angle flummoxes local press with "stimulus" non-sequitor

[Parallax]

So it was the GOP that killed Kennedy. All this time I thought it was being an old drunk that did it

[Nesster]

But again, why are they obstructing bills? What is in those bills that is not being brought out. Like with ObamaScare that had student loans in it. Sure wish they had fully obstructed that bill that the majority of the country didn't want. Obamarama just rams it down your throat and out your rectum.

Ha! I refuse to play ball, and then complain nobody passes me the ball, and they keep it to themselves.

Do you truly believe that - grandstanding aside - any Republican politician refuses to 'take care of constituents' and 'bring jobs to the state' and 'represent local interests'? These are all weasel words for pork, earmarks, and return of contributions and political favors. Look how far McCain got with his long fight to bring this under control. Elsewhere I posted how the current over the top situation got under way - it was during the Contract with America Republican majority days, when the GOP instructed its members to pork, earmark and do favors in a much bigger way than was the custom previously, all in the interest of holding onto their seats.

The way Congress is supposed to work: you find common ground in order to gain leverage for separating out or eliminating items you definitely are against. If you never find common ground, you have no leverage in the process. What we saw was a bunch of Republican 'leaders' furiously backing away from bills they themselves had sponsored only months earlier, and whose ideas and policy suggestions were incorporated into the overall plan.

So let's see. We get banks that are already troubled and owe billions in TARP funds to loan money to a project that has a history of financial trouble to save jobs in the short term. In the long term the project might go belly up anyway. So now you not only pay UC to those workers you also get another bad loan on the books for more money. Is that about the scenario? Isn't loaning money to people who couldn't pay it back in the first place what originally got us into this mess? Or am I missing something?

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Ha! I refuse to play ball, and then complain nobody passes me the ball, and they keep it to themselves.

Do you truly believe that - grandstanding aside - any Republican politician refuses to 'take care of constituents' and 'bring jobs to the state' and 'represent local interests'? These are all weasel words for pork, earmarks, and return of contributions and political favors. Look how far McCain got with his long fight to bring this under control. Elsewhere I posted how the current over the top situation got under way - it was during the Contract with America Republican majority days, when the GOP instructed its members to pork, earmark and do favors in a much bigger way than was the custom previously, all in the interest of holding onto their seats.

The way Congress is supposed to work: you find common ground in order to gain leverage for separating out or eliminating items you definitely are against. If you never find common ground, you have no leverage in the process. What we saw was a bunch of Republican 'leaders' furiously backing away from bills they themselves had sponsored only months earlier, and whose ideas and policy suggestions were incorporated into the overall plan.

Because of the "Contract with America" we had a "budget surplus" in spite of Slick.

[Nesster]

So let's see. We get banks that are already troubled and owe billions in TARP funds to loan money to a project that has a history of financial trouble to save jobs in the short term. In the long term the project might go belly up anyway. So now you not only pay UC to those workers you also get another bad loan on the books for more money. Is that about the scenario? Isn't loaning money to people who couldn't pay it back in the first place what originally got us into this mess? Or am I missing something?

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Because of the "Contract with America" we had a "budget surplus" in spite of Slick.

First, TARP has proven to be an excellent investment, a point you concede when you complain about what gets done with the returns.
Second, what got us into the mess was loaning money to people who could not pay it back, but had it only been that simple the problem would not have been that large. I lend you $1 and borrow $39 against it, then package the $40 into a series of synthetic instruments based on the 'cash flow' assumptions of you paying interest and principal, and sell each tranche to RML, say, who borrows $1000 to finance the $40, and to 'hedge' herself takes out a default swap from AIG, and noting this I take the other side via an default swap option but this time at $20K and promptly lay that off to a German bank etc etc. Because we all book profit at every jump and keep these off our balance sheets, we think we have a perpetual motion machine! So the poor slob whose other job option was WalMart convinces you to borrow another $1 to keep the machine going...
So, no you weren't missing much.

Slick Willie was slick because he refused to meekly accept political labels. It was his Commerce Dept that worked non-stop in order to ensure American companies got contracts and that business was good. See, Slick Willie understood you have to feed the cow to get the milk. Red blooded Republicans only feed the cow, until it comes time for Red Meat. Thus, regardless of who was in Congress, those prudent tax and spend cutter Republican presidents only managed to blow up our treasury, and eventually the economy. It took a slick Democrat to do right financially.

[Ratmagiclady]

So it was the GOP that killed Kennedy. All this time I thought it was being an old drunk that did it

Err, I said that the GOP used the filibuster in unprecedented fashion, while certain older Democrats were *busy dying,* ...This in response to saying 'You had a supermajority, so what we did is your fault.' It doesn't mean that they killed Ted Kennedy (Or that he died of anything drinking-related, either,) ...but it sure doesn't mean that the Democrats are responsible for the GOP monkeying procedure at wee hours hoping *every single Democrat* including Robert Byrd couldn't make it.

You speak as though somehow now that the GOP broke *convention* about filibusters, that it therefore becomes *mandatory* to use it wherever possible. . Believe it or not, the filibuster is a last-ditch option that is *optional* and has to be *actively chosen and agreed to.*

This isn't a hockey game. It's *supposed* to be the governance of a free nation.

In the words of that, what, ninety year old Senator the GOP dragged out of bed at three in the morning cause of their procedural maneuvering to subvert the democratic process,

"Shame, shame."


All I see is more of a conservative doing everything they can to hurt America so they can try and blame the government they refuse to let work.

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[Parallax]

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You speak as though somehow now that the GOP broke *convention* about filibusters, that it therefore becomes *mandatory* to use it wherever possible. . Believe it or not, the filibuster is a last-ditch option that is *optional* and has to be *actively chosen and agreed to.*

No, actually I was just making a smart-ass remark.

[Ratmagiclady]

No, actually I was just making a smart-ass remark.

Well, I don't know about the *smart* part.

[Nesster]

This isn't a hockey game. It's *supposed* to be the governance of a free nation.

Taking the other side, RML, "Extremism in the Defense of Liberty Is No Vice" - Barry Goldwater. Let's give the Republicans the benefit of the doubt, they truly and deeply believe that Democrats and Obama are aiming to end our existence as a free nation. Therefore what they do is entirely justified. Ginge's list of socialisms - regardless of any benefit - is clear evidence we are run by a bunch of nazi socialists who would take your pocket, only then they'd have no place to keep their money grubbing hand.

[Parallax]

Well, I don't know about the *smart* part.

Touché

First, TARP has proven to be an excellent investment, a point you concede when you complain about what gets done with the returns.
Second, what got us into the mess was loaning money to people who could not pay it back, but had it only been that simple the problem would not have been that large. I lend you $1 and borrow $39 against it, then package the $40 into a series of synthetic instruments based on the 'cash flow' assumptions of you paying interest and principal, and sell each tranche to RML, say, who borrows $1000 to finance the $40, and to 'hedge' herself takes out a default swap from AIG, and noting this I take the other side via an default swap option but this time at $20K and promptly lay that off to a German bank etc etc. Because we all book profit at every jump and keep these off our balance sheets, we think we have a perpetual motion machine! So the poor slob whose other job option was WalMart convinces you to borrow another $1 to keep the machine going...
So, no you weren't missing much.

Slick Willie was slick because he refused to meekly accept political labels. It was his Commerce Dept that worked non-stop in order to ensure American companies got contracts and that business was good. See, Slick Willie understood you have to feed the cow to get the milk. Red blooded Republicans only feed the cow, until it comes time for Red Meat. Thus, regardless of who was in Congress, those prudent tax and spend cutter Republican presidents only managed to blow up our treasury, and eventually the economy. It took a slick Democrat to do right financially.

Slick Willy went whichever way the poll winds blew. When the house went Conservative in aught 6 he knew if he was to get reelected he had to get more centrist. There is a huge difference between Slick and the idiot there now. Slick was more with the ego. the Obamarator is an ideologue. He has his agenda and nothing will sway it. He will ram everything he wants in any orifice he can. Just look at ObamaScare.

[Nesster]

Slick Willy went whichever way the poll winds blew. When the house went Conservative in aught 6 he knew if he was to get reelected he had to get more centrist. There is a huge difference between Slick and the idiot there now. Slick was more with the ego. the Obamarator is an ideologue. He has his agenda and nothing will sway it. He will ram everything he wants in any orifice he can. Just look at ObamaScare.

... and no doubt we'll hear more complaints when Obama gets to the next bits of his pre-announced agenda: the fixing of the federal budget. He will be cutting, he will be encouraging debate about what and how, and the Foxites will be apoplectic: he has no principles! He's only doing this for the poll numbers and because he's a puppet of the G20! He's another Slick Willie! And the outrage of the day will continue direct feed via Fox: some aspect or another, some detail, some person somewhere says or does something wrong, which indicates ALL DEMOCRATS are BAD FOR AMERICA. (And when a right winger does the same, it's all about the LIBERAL MEDIA WITCH HUNTS UNFAIR!, rather than the application of a single standard to all our public servants.)

What Clinton and Obama have in common is a selective, tough minded take on the actual left wing agenda. Sheltered as you are on the right, you don't see what the real leftists said about Clinton and are saying about Obama.

[Ratmagiclady]

Touché

*little flourish, salute, and nod.*

Anyway, Nesster, I don't care *how much* they like to refer to Clinton in terms of some lubricated male member, ...the GOP are *not* acting in defense of Liberty, or even an effective defense, if they were: ...just extremism.

More than they bargained for, I'll warrant, actually: they woke this dragon, are hanging on by the ears, and are trying to make out like they're still in control of it.

I don't think that constitutes a considered defense of the people and Constitution and land of the United States, they're just afraid to let go. Of what they thought would give them power, but has done the opposite. From their personal points of view, that is. Those who led em to it are doing just fine...

[GingeM]

However, we CAN blame the GOP for this

No you can't. You couldn't even generate 59 votes with Lieberman siding with the Republicans. Don't blame Republicans for you not being able to keep your house in order. But that is Left Wingers for you... another example of them blaming anyone but themselves for their plight.