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troglodyte · 08-27-2010, 12:50 PM

Gokenin,
Civil rights according to that CNN writer should only pertain to the blacks of the 60s. Glen beck calls his state's rights movement for civil rights with his planned speech at MLK's birthday of the I Have a Dream. It therefore marginalizes the

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the black person's plight in the 60s and is therefore racist. Also how states are stupid hillbilly racists. It took the fed to save blacks. So states rights avtivists are racist.
But the funny thing is the only KKK member was a democrat. KKKonservative?

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I know Gokenin, that article is written in so much gibberish, I had to take out my liberal dictionary and liberal grammar book.

Nesster · 08-27-2010, 02:08 PM

...ok, so let's say there's a high point, nation-defining, speech made by Ronald Reagan. This speech is commonly pointed out as THE defining moment of the wonderful freedom and liberty delivered by the conservative revoulution in the next 40 years... taught in grade school, trotted out each year by the media... and Reagan's birthday is close to being made a national holiday.

...ok, so Obama chooses the same date and site to give a speech on Obamacare and Socialist Amerika, and as opening acts he gets Jeremiah Wright and The Clintons... And Obama is claiming he is in fact working to bring to fruition Ron's true mission, and that he chose the date and place inadvertently, and anyway, Reagan belongs to all Americans, not just conservatives...

Just how would people feel?

troglodyte · 08-27-2010, 03:55 PM

Nesster,
I would think who gives a shit? Unlike blacks who hold w/e bullshit their brethern spew and call it holy. White racist sons of bitches could care less. Even if I agree with their economic policies, I don't make them my prophet and sites mecca.

---------- Post added 08-27-10 at 02:57 PM ----------

Reagan was one crazy lunatic who wore a tin foil hat to keep the aliens from reading his thoughts. But economically I liked his ideas. The strategic defense alliance satellite network was a rather novel idea despite his reasons for it.

gokenin · 08-27-2010, 04:06 PM

My take on things is you may hate the man but why don't you wait until the event happens before you make your judgement on things? I know its a radical idea but until its all over we have no idea what will be said. In regards to the date lets be honest if the media didnt mention it and Beck wasn't holding an event on the same day how many people know the date of Kings speech? and be honest here

GeneV · 08-27-2010, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Nesster

...ok, so let's say there's a high point, nation-defining, speech made by Ronald Reagan. This speech is commonly pointed out as THE defining moment of the wonderful freedom and liberty delivered by the conservative revoulution in the next 40 years... taught in grade school, trotted out each year by the media... and Reagan's birthday is close to being made a national holiday.

...ok, so Obama chooses the same date and site to give a speech on Obamacare and Socialist Amerika, and as opening acts he gets Jeremiah Wright and The Clintons... And Obama is claiming he is in fact working to bring to fruition Ron's true mission, and that he chose the date and place inadvertently, and anyway, Reagan belongs to all Americans, not just conservatives...

Just how would people feel?

Frankly, any demagogue trying to claim the mantle of any other historical figure of note is annoying. When it is someone with a history of racist spew claiming the mantle of a civil rights leader it is more disgusting. I wonder what MLK would have said about Beck?

gokenin · 08-27-2010, 04:18 PM

Course as a complete side note here I do find it funny that soo many self aclaimed atheists are standing up for a pastor who in almost every line of the speech praises GOD. Yet at the same time you critize someone who claimes they believe in God as being uneducated and that science has proven that there is no God. Ok back to the anti Beck love fest .

GeneV · 08-27-2010, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by gokenin

Course as a complete side note here I do find it funny that soo many self aclaimed atheists are standing up for a pastor who in almost every line of the speech praises GOD. Yet at the same time you critize someone who claimes they believe in God as being uneducated and that science has proven that there is no God. Ok back to the anti Beck love fest .

Darn, Jon, you sure get worked up about defending Beck. That is probably the worst post you've made on this forum in terms of coherence and grammar, not to mention it being a rather cheap shot. Surely you aren't saying that every atheist is a religious bigot who can't respect any accomplishment from someone who believes. What gives?

Last edited by GeneV; 08-27-2010 at 04:38 PM.

troglodyte · 08-27-2010, 04:26 PM

gokenin,
Hey now! I'm fighting the same good fight you are. I have many of the same thoughts and opinions you do. I just go at it from the secular humanist point of view as a capitalist.

gokenin · 08-27-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by GeneV

Darn, Jon, you sure get worked up about defending Beck. That is probably the worst post you've made on this forum in terms of coherence and grammar, not to mention it being a rather cheap shot. Surely you aren't saying that every atheist is a religious bigot who can't respect anyone who believes. What gives?

sorry about the grammar and coherence was trying to type and watch wheel of fortune at the same time and was a little distracted. I don't actually mean it as a defense of Beck but I do think that he should have his day before he gets run up the flagpole is all I am saying. I do however find it funny that people would defend an preacher when they hold his beliefs to be hogwash is all. I never claimed that they are bigots but you have to admit that the tone some have taking in the Atheism threads have been rather condecending when it comes to people of faith as "believing in a magical sky wizard" and such.

GeneV · 08-27-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by gokenin

sorry about the grammar and coherence was trying to type and watch wheel of fortune at the same time and was a little distracted. I don't actually mean it as a defense of Beck but I do think that he should have his day before he gets run up the flagpole is all I am saying. I do however find it funny that people would defend an preacher when they hold his beliefs to be hogwash is all. I never claimed that they are bigots but you have to admit that the tone some have taking in the Atheism threads have been rather condecending when it comes to people of faith as "believing in a magical sky wizard" and such.

I am not an atheist, but I don't see it as the slightest bit inconsistent to defend someone's accomplishments whether or not I agree with his religious views. I could say Tom Cruise is a fine actor while thinking Scientology is insane. Well, maybe that is a bad example.

JeffJS · 08-27-2010, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by GeneV

I am not an atheist, but I don't see it as the slightest bit inconsistent to defend someone's accomplishments whether or not I agree with his religious views. I could say Tom Cruise is a fine actor while thinking Scientology is insane. Well, maybe that is a bad example.

Bad example indeed. Stating Tom Cruise is a fine actor borders insanity.

jeffkrol · 08-27-2010, 06:32 PM

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHJqaICiS-U&feature=player_embedded[/YT]

Quote:

There is nothing original or especially interesting about Beck's prescriptions. Many of his conspiracy theories are simply incorrect. Of course, we live in an age when it is easy to pick out data and facts and create partial, contingent truths, and Beck is a master at knitting them together. Most of the elites who are out to get Beck would subscribe to his stated value propositions, albeit with different ways of filling them in.

Where Beck differs from the lot, from Rush Limbaugh, who has been much more successful (over time) in galvanizing Republicans, is that Beck attaches a distinctly Christian millennialism to everything he does. This means that there are no shades of gray; everything Beck is doing is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER at that moment. He is given to extreme comparisons; to Nazi analogies and MLK analogies. The graphics for the 8/28 event are dark, menacing and declarative. This is Beck's edge. He is not a political guy. He is not an ideological guy. He is a philosopher. He is an author of master narratives. There is a Beck way of looking at the world. (There is not a Limbaugh way of looking at the world, or if there is, it's exactly the same thing as a political conservative's way of looking at the world.) Rush has policies; Beck has motivating ideas.

So what's Beck actually done with his ideas and performance?

Well, he's made himself rich.

Quote:

His program on Fox is actually an island unto itself. Where Sean Hannity is all flash and talking points, Beck is about arguments and theories. That Fox enables Beck to flourish is kind of ironic because Beck is so adamant about self-sufficiency and seems to disdain Republican leaders as much as he pillories Democratic leaders. I can actually see Glenn Beck, standing in a voting booth, and deciding not to vote for a Republican. I can't see Sean Hannity doing that.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/glenn-beck-millennialist...-profit/62192/

FlashCube · 08-27-2010, 09:46 PM

I wonder if Dr. Alveda King will be considered a Tea-Party right winger now since she is speaking at Beck's weekend gig and has appeared on his radio show.

jeffkrol · 08-30-2010, 10:02 AM

Liberal

followup:
Bill Press: Glenn Beck's Big Bust on the Mall

Quote:

In the end, the August 28th rally was all about the honor and glorification of Glenn Beck. And it was truly disturbing to hear one of the most divisive figures on radio and television preach unity and love. This is the man who called Jimmy Carter a "waste of skin." Who dismissed Hillary Clinton as a "stereotypical bitch." Who accused today's civil rights leaders of distorting the message of Dr. King. And, of course, who called President Obama a "racist."

Appearing on Fox News Sunday the morning after the rally, Beck pulled back from his "racist" comment, explaining he only meant to say that Obama was a believer in "liberation theology."

Once again, Beck doesn't get it. Liberation theology -- which reflects the teachings of Jesus by focusing on freeing the poor from unjust social, political, and economic conditions -- was also embraced and practiced by Martin Luther King, the very man whose mantle Beck tried to steal on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

stevewig · 08-30-2010, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by gokenin

scratches my head trying to figure out what specifically are you refering to in the thread ?

I do believe that he is referring to some of the wisdom coming from troglodyte's cell phone??

08-27-2010, 06:32 PM	#27
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434 Original Poster	Nuff said [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHJqaICiS-U&feature=player_embedded[/YT] Quote: There is nothing original or especially interesting about Beck's prescriptions. Many of his conspiracy theories are simply incorrect. Of course, we live in an age when it is easy to pick out data and facts and create partial, contingent truths, and Beck is a master at knitting them together. Most of the elites who are out to get Beck would subscribe to his stated value propositions, albeit with different ways of filling them in. Where Beck differs from the lot, from Rush Limbaugh, who has been much more successful (over time) in galvanizing Republicans, is that Beck attaches a distinctly Christian millennialism to everything he does. This means that there are no shades of gray; everything Beck is doing is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER at that moment. He is given to extreme comparisons; to Nazi analogies and MLK analogies. The graphics for the 8/28 event are dark, menacing and declarative. This is Beck's edge. He is not a political guy. He is not an ideological guy. He is a philosopher. He is an author of master narratives. There is a Beck way of looking at the world. (There is not a Limbaugh way of looking at the world, or if there is, it's exactly the same thing as a political conservative's way of looking at the world.) Rush has policies; Beck has motivating ideas. So what's Beck actually done with his ideas and performance? Well, he's made himself rich. Quote: His program on Fox is actually an island unto itself. Where Sean Hannity is all flash and talking points, Beck is about arguments and theories. That Fox enables Beck to flourish is kind of ironic because Beck is so adamant about self-sufficiency and seems to disdain Republican leaders as much as he pillories Democratic leaders. I can actually see Glenn Beck, standing in a voting booth, and deciding not to vote for a Republican. I can't see Sean Hannity doing that. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/glenn-beck-millennialist...-profit/62192/ Last edited by jeffkrol; 08-27-2010 at 06:45 PM.

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08-27-2010, 12:50 PM	#16
troglodyte Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oz Posts: 408	Gokenin, Civil rights according to that CNN writer should only pertain to the blacks of the 60s. Glen beck calls his state's rights movement for civil rights with his planned speech at MLK's birthday of the I Have a Dream. It therefore marginalizes the ---------- Post added 08-27-10 at 11:54 AM ---------- the black person's plight in the 60s and is therefore racist. Also how states are stupid hillbilly racists. It took the fed to save blacks. So states rights avtivists are racist. But the funny thing is the only KKK member was a democrat. KKKonservative? ---------- Post added 08-27-10 at 11:55 AM ---------- I know Gokenin, that article is written in so much gibberish, I had to take out my liberal dictionary and liberal grammar book.

08-27-2010, 02:08 PM	#17
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	...ok, so let's say there's a high point, nation-defining, speech made by Ronald Reagan. This speech is commonly pointed out as THE defining moment of the wonderful freedom and liberty delivered by the conservative revoulution in the next 40 years... taught in grade school, trotted out each year by the media... and Reagan's birthday is close to being made a national holiday. ...ok, so Obama chooses the same date and site to give a speech on Obamacare and Socialist Amerika, and as opening acts he gets Jeremiah Wright and The Clintons... And Obama is claiming he is in fact working to bring to fruition Ron's true mission, and that he chose the date and place inadvertently, and anyway, Reagan belongs to all Americans, not just conservatives... Just how would people feel?

08-27-2010, 03:55 PM	#18
troglodyte Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oz Posts: 408	Nesster, I would think who gives a shit? Unlike blacks who hold w/e bullshit their brethern spew and call it holy. White racist sons of bitches could care less. Even if I agree with their economic policies, I don't make them my prophet and sites mecca. ---------- Post added 08-27-10 at 02:57 PM ---------- Reagan was one crazy lunatic who wore a tin foil hat to keep the aliens from reading his thoughts. But economically I liked his ideas. The strategic defense alliance satellite network was a rather novel idea despite his reasons for it.

08-27-2010, 04:06 PM	#19
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	My take on things is you may hate the man but why don't you wait until the event happens before you make your judgement on things? I know its a radical idea but until its all over we have no idea what will be said. In regards to the date lets be honest if the media didnt mention it and Beck wasn't holding an event on the same day how many people know the date of Kings speech? and be honest here

08-27-2010, 04:09 PM	#20
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by Nesster ...ok, so let's say there's a high point, nation-defining, speech made by Ronald Reagan. This speech is commonly pointed out as THE defining moment of the wonderful freedom and liberty delivered by the conservative revoulution in the next 40 years... taught in grade school, trotted out each year by the media... and Reagan's birthday is close to being made a national holiday. ...ok, so Obama chooses the same date and site to give a speech on Obamacare and Socialist Amerika, and as opening acts he gets Jeremiah Wright and The Clintons... And Obama is claiming he is in fact working to bring to fruition Ron's true mission, and that he chose the date and place inadvertently, and anyway, Reagan belongs to all Americans, not just conservatives... Just how would people feel? Frankly, any demagogue trying to claim the mantle of any other historical figure of note is annoying. When it is someone with a history of racist spew claiming the mantle of a civil rights leader it is more disgusting. I wonder what MLK would have said about Beck?

08-27-2010, 04:18 PM	#21
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	Course as a complete side note here I do find it funny that soo many self aclaimed atheists are standing up for a pastor who in almost every line of the speech praises GOD. Yet at the same time you critize someone who claimes they believe in God as being uneducated and that science has proven that there is no God. Ok back to the anti Beck love fest .

08-27-2010, 04:24 PM	#22
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by gokenin Course as a complete side note here I do find it funny that soo many self aclaimed atheists are standing up for a pastor who in almost every line of the speech praises GOD. Yet at the same time you critize someone who claimes they believe in God as being uneducated and that science has proven that there is no God. Ok back to the anti Beck love fest . Darn, Jon, you sure get worked up about defending Beck. That is probably the worst post you've made on this forum in terms of coherence and grammar, not to mention it being a rather cheap shot. Surely you aren't saying that every atheist is a religious bigot who can't respect any accomplishment from someone who believes. What gives? Last edited by GeneV; 08-27-2010 at 04:38 PM.

08-27-2010, 04:26 PM	#23
troglodyte Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oz Posts: 408	gokenin, Hey now! I'm fighting the same good fight you are. I have many of the same thoughts and opinions you do. I just go at it from the secular humanist point of view as a capitalist.

08-27-2010, 04:41 PM	#24
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	Originally posted by GeneV Darn, Jon, you sure get worked up about defending Beck. That is probably the worst post you've made on this forum in terms of coherence and grammar, not to mention it being a rather cheap shot. Surely you aren't saying that every atheist is a religious bigot who can't respect anyone who believes. What gives? sorry about the grammar and coherence was trying to type and watch wheel of fortune at the same time and was a little distracted. I don't actually mean it as a defense of Beck but I do think that he should have his day before he gets run up the flagpole is all I am saying. I do however find it funny that people would defend an preacher when they hold his beliefs to be hogwash is all. I never claimed that they are bigots but you have to admit that the tone some have taking in the Atheism threads have been rather condecending when it comes to people of faith as "believing in a magical sky wizard" and such.

08-27-2010, 04:51 PM	#25
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by gokenin sorry about the grammar and coherence was trying to type and watch wheel of fortune at the same time and was a little distracted. I don't actually mean it as a defense of Beck but I do think that he should have his day before he gets run up the flagpole is all I am saying. I do however find it funny that people would defend an preacher when they hold his beliefs to be hogwash is all. I never claimed that they are bigots but you have to admit that the tone some have taking in the Atheism threads have been rather condecending when it comes to people of faith as "believing in a magical sky wizard" and such. I am not an atheist, but I don't see it as the slightest bit inconsistent to defend someone's accomplishments whether or not I agree with his religious views. I could say Tom Cruise is a fine actor while thinking Scientology is insane. Well, maybe that is a bad example.

08-27-2010, 05:01 PM	#26
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by GeneV I am not an atheist, but I don't see it as the slightest bit inconsistent to defend someone's accomplishments whether or not I agree with his religious views. I could say Tom Cruise is a fine actor while thinking Scientology is insane. Well, maybe that is a bad example. Bad example indeed. Stating Tom Cruise is a fine actor borders insanity.

08-27-2010, 09:46 PM	#28
FlashCube Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: In Transition Posts: 173	I wonder if Dr. Alveda King will be considered a Tea-Party right winger now since she is speaking at Beck's weekend gig and has appeared on his radio show.

08-30-2010, 10:02 AM	#29
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434 Original Poster	Liberal followup: Bill Press: Glenn Beck's Big Bust on the Mall Quote: In the end, the August 28th rally was all about the honor and glorification of Glenn Beck. And it was truly disturbing to hear one of the most divisive figures on radio and television preach unity and love. This is the man who called Jimmy Carter a "waste of skin." Who dismissed Hillary Clinton as a "stereotypical bitch." Who accused today's civil rights leaders of distorting the message of Dr. King. And, of course, who called President Obama a "racist." Appearing on Fox News Sunday the morning after the rally, Beck pulled back from his "racist" comment, explaining he only meant to say that Obama was a believer in "liberation theology." Once again, Beck doesn't get it. Liberation theology -- which reflects the teachings of Jesus by focusing on freeing the poor from unjust social, political, and economic conditions -- was also embraced and practiced by Martin Luther King, the very man whose mantle Beck tried to steal on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

08-30-2010, 10:42 AM	#30
stevewig Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 773	Originally posted by gokenin scratches my head trying to figure out what specifically are you refering to in the thread ? I do believe that he is referring to some of the wisdom coming from troglodyte's cell phone??