Teen motorcycle racer killed at Indy

jogiba · 08-30-2010, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Blue

You are correct, the number is probably much higher. Every town in the U.S. has a Pop Warner, Junior High, and High School football team making the number of player virtually too-numerous-to-count. Few have motorcycle racing teams. I like how you ignored the posted link and article. You would see where I was going with this. Some one should have assessed the situations given the age group of the participants. I have seen football games delayed, postponed or rescheduled due to lightening. Same with baseball. What was the motivating factor to run the races in the reported conditions?

Why do kids have football practice in the heat and die ?

Blue · 08-30-2010, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

Why do kids have football practice in the heat and die ?

There are rules in place that are intended to minimize that. If those rules are broken, it can have serious consequences. If a player gets hurt or dies, charges can and have been filed.

Why did the Indy officials allow racing in those conditions? They may set the sport back.

jogiba · 08-30-2010, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Blue

There are rules in place that are intended to minimize that. If those rules are broken, it can have serious consequences. If a player gets hurt or dies, charges can and have been filed.

Why did the Indy officials allow racing in those conditions? They may set the sport back.

There was no problem.
Dani Pedrosa wins the Red Bull Indianapolis Moto GP - fox59.com

Blue · 08-30-2010, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

There was no problem.
Dani Pedrosa wins the Red Bull Indianapolis Moto GP - fox59.com

So these guys are lying? Besides, the 24 year old guy winning a race doesn't mean conditions were suitable for the 12 & 13 year old kids going over 100 mph.

Quote:

Reigning world champ Valentino Rossi fell four times since practice opened Friday, including a spill Sunday morning during a 20-minute warmup session. Spies and points leader Jorge Lorenzo also acknowledged after qualifying Saturday that the track was difficult.

Read more: Teen motorcycle racer from Vancouver, Wash., killed in crash at Indy | TOP SPORTS - The News Tribune

deadwolfbones · 08-30-2010, 07:36 PM

"Difficult" doesn't mean unsafe. Most of these riders will have ridden in more difficult conditions. If conditions are truly unsafe by the sport's standards (water/oil on track, extreme heat, extreme cold, track surface degrading), races are called off.

Anyway, the kid fell off on the formation lap, at low speed, and it wasn't the fall from the bike that hurt him. This wasn't a result of track conditions, just a crazy accident.

Interesting to hear you arguing for more government regulation, Blue.

Blue · 08-30-2010, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

. . .
Interesting to hear you arguing for more government regulation, Blue.

Show me where I wrote that. The track officials should have been more on top of conditions. If you want to debate government regulation, take it to the other place.

deadwolfbones · 08-30-2010, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Blue

Show me where I wrote that. The track officials should have been more on top of conditions. If you want to debate government regulation, take it to the other place.

Fair enough.

Anyway, track conditions were well within the safe zone with regard to this sport, and they had little to do with this accident as I understand it.

reeftool · 08-31-2010, 09:27 AM

I've seen some rants and blogs online all morning questioning whether motorsports should be allowed for someone this kids age. While this is a tragic crash, it is rare. Thousands of kids participate in motorcycle racing worldwide, both on dirt and track with probably no more injuries than other sports. This is the first fatality this organization has had in it's years of operation. Hundreds die every year in normal, everyday recreational bicycle riding.

fractal · 09-06-2010, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

Fair enough.

Anyway, track conditions were well within the safe zone with regard to this sport, and they had little to do with this accident as I understand it.

The Indy track had a crazy amount of crashes.. must have been coincidence. Safe, i'm not sure, but it certainly didn't look friendly.. and i'm not talking about the corners. Looking at how the bikes were behaving, the surface looked like shit.

BillM · 09-06-2010, 02:04 AM

Always felt its safer on track than on the steet, heart goes out to young mans family.
Seen a guy go under a car and burn. Sold mine that week.

deadwolfbones · 09-06-2010, 10:13 AM

Another death yesterday in Moto2 (class below MotoGP).

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08-30-2010, 06:45 PM	#16
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Originally posted by Blue You are correct, the number is probably much higher. Every town in the U.S. has a Pop Warner, Junior High, and High School football team making the number of player virtually too-numerous-to-count. Few have motorcycle racing teams. I like how you ignored the posted link and article. You would see where I was going with this. Some one should have assessed the situations given the age group of the participants. I have seen football games delayed, postponed or rescheduled due to lightening. Same with baseball. What was the motivating factor to run the races in the reported conditions? Why do kids have football practice in the heat and die ?

08-30-2010, 06:51 PM	#17
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by jogiba Why do kids have football practice in the heat and die ? There are rules in place that are intended to minimize that. If those rules are broken, it can have serious consequences. If a player gets hurt or dies, charges can and have been filed. Why did the Indy officials allow racing in those conditions? They may set the sport back.

08-30-2010, 07:00 PM	#18
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491 Original Poster	Originally posted by Blue There are rules in place that are intended to minimize that. If those rules are broken, it can have serious consequences. If a player gets hurt or dies, charges can and have been filed. Why did the Indy officials allow racing in those conditions? They may set the sport back. There was no problem. Dani Pedrosa wins the Red Bull Indianapolis Moto GP - fox59.com

08-30-2010, 07:06 PM	#19
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by jogiba There was no problem. Dani Pedrosa wins the Red Bull Indianapolis Moto GP - fox59.com So these guys are lying? Besides, the 24 year old guy winning a race doesn't mean conditions were suitable for the 12 & 13 year old kids going over 100 mph. Quote: Reigning world champ Valentino Rossi fell four times since practice opened Friday, including a spill Sunday morning during a 20-minute warmup session. Spies and points leader Jorge Lorenzo also acknowledged after qualifying Saturday that the track was difficult. Read more: Teen motorcycle racer from Vancouver, Wash., killed in crash at Indy \| TOP SPORTS - The News Tribune

08-30-2010, 07:36 PM	#20
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	"Difficult" doesn't mean unsafe. Most of these riders will have ridden in more difficult conditions. If conditions are truly unsafe by the sport's standards (water/oil on track, extreme heat, extreme cold, track surface degrading), races are called off. Anyway, the kid fell off on the formation lap, at low speed, and it wasn't the fall from the bike that hurt him. This wasn't a result of track conditions, just a crazy accident. Interesting to hear you arguing for more government regulation, Blue.

08-30-2010, 07:41 PM	#21
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by deadwolfbones . . . Interesting to hear you arguing for more government regulation, Blue. Show me where I wrote that. The track officials should have been more on top of conditions. If you want to debate government regulation, take it to the other place.

08-30-2010, 07:43 PM	#22
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	Originally posted by Blue Show me where I wrote that. The track officials should have been more on top of conditions. If you want to debate government regulation, take it to the other place. Fair enough. Anyway, track conditions were well within the safe zone with regard to this sport, and they had little to do with this accident as I understand it.

08-31-2010, 09:27 AM	#23
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,555	I've seen some rants and blogs online all morning questioning whether motorsports should be allowed for someone this kids age. While this is a tragic crash, it is rare. Thousands of kids participate in motorcycle racing worldwide, both on dirt and track with probably no more injuries than other sports. This is the first fatality this organization has had in it's years of operation. Hundreds die every year in normal, everyday recreational bicycle riding.

09-06-2010, 01:52 AM	#24
fractal Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,547	Originally posted by deadwolfbones Fair enough. Anyway, track conditions were well within the safe zone with regard to this sport, and they had little to do with this accident as I understand it. The Indy track had a crazy amount of crashes.. must have been coincidence. Safe, i'm not sure, but it certainly didn't look friendly.. and i'm not talking about the corners. Looking at how the bikes were behaving, the surface looked like shit.

09-06-2010, 02:04 AM	#25
BillM Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ferguson, Mo. Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,348	Always felt its safer on track than on the steet, heart goes out to young mans family. Seen a guy go under a car and burn. Sold mine that week.

09-06-2010, 10:13 AM	#26
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	Another death yesterday in Moto2 (class below MotoGP).