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09-21-2010, 01:25 PM   #1
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Maps: How Segregated is Your City?

Race and ethnicity - a set on Flickr

Pretty incredible.

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Race is an illusion. PBS, the most liberal station ever even did a study called 'the race illusion.' It chose Brasil for the study. Participants were told to identify themselves as more: dutch(white), spaniard, native indian(like aztec) or african. They

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were then tested for those genetic markers based and compared to their physical self applied phenotype of 'race'. The findings were on average for instance, those who identified as african and others who would agree they were had more dutch than african.

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The dutch also had more african than dutch too. So something extra genetic is contributing to 'race' than percentage of how many generations back you had an african father. The same is true for the plant kingdom too. There are certain species of water

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plants that get different phenotypes based on how close to the water they happen to grew.
Scientists now know race is no different as a phenotype as a blonde or red head. So why is it there's no hair type but so much attention to race. Race is a

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scientific blunder based on attributing 'geneology' to traits that aren't genetically true.
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Race is an illusion. PBS, the most liberal station ever even did a study called 'the race illusion.' It chose Brasil for the study. Participants were told to identify themselves as more: dutch(white), spaniard, native indian(like aztec) or african. They

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were then tested for those genetic markers based and compared to their physical self applied phenotype of 'race'. The findings were on average for instance, those who identified as african and others who would agree they were had more dutch than african.

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The dutch also had more african than dutch too. So something extra genetic is contributing to 'race' than percentage of how many generations back you had an african father. The same is true for the plant kingdom too. There are certain species of water

---------- Post added 09-21-10 at 01:34 PM ----------

plants that get different phenotypes based on how close to the water they happen to grew.
Scientists now know race is no different as a phenotype as a blonde or red head. So why is it there's no hair type but so much attention to race. Race is a

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scientific blunder based on attributing 'geneology' to traits that aren't genetically true.
This has nothing to do with the maps.

Also it's getting increasingly annoying to read your broken-up posts. What the hell is wrong with your input method?
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Haven't I said enough that I'm poorer than Kenny with a ghetto cell phone? I can't afford a real internet and phone.
It has everything to do with the maps. Race is an illusion, so why make maps? I bet you could make similiar non-sense maps based on big

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ears. Just like how plants with the same phenotype huddle together. You'll get a few errant shallow water phenotype plants in deeper water. It's the same with people. Likes looks wise will huddle. It's not some form of 'racism' or 'segregation'.

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Haven't I said enough that I'm poorer than Kenny with a ghetto cell phone? I can't afford a real internet and phone.
It has everything to do with the maps. Race is an illusion, so why make maps? I bet you could make similiar non-sense maps based on big

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ears. Just like how plants with the same phenotype huddle together. You'll get a few errant shallow water phenotype plants in deeper water. It's the same with people. Likes looks wise will huddle. It's not some form of 'racism' or 'segregation'.
If you look at the patterns, it's clear it's not nonsense. But no one's said it's segregation directly enforced by an outside force. Once again, I simply posted the maps and you responded with your own preconceived notions.

The map data is taken from the US Census of 2000. Regardless of whether "race" is at its root a fairy tale concept, it has very real implications in daily life, and, apparently, in the way people distribute themselves in cities. What's interesting, though, is the idea that if you made a similar map of income levels it probably wouldn't look all that different.

Some of these are simply funny (Salt Lake City), some are remarkable in their divisions (NYC, Chicago), some are remarkable for their diversity.
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People try too hard to find something when nothing exists. Your title said maps based on race. Race doesn't exist. So why make a map of it? Why not make a map of vegetarians/vegans based on look. Wears long hair, smells funny, has berkenstocks?
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People try too hard to find something when nothing exists. Your title said maps based on race. Race doesn't exist. So why make a map of it? Why not make a map of vegetarians/vegans based on look. Wears long hair, smells funny, has berkenstocks?
Race exists on the US Census, which is what the maps are based on. I guess you can't actually offer much discussion on the maps themselves, though, given your crappy internet connection.
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'Race' on the census is based upon what you call yourself. It's not based on real scientific data. Hitler based his wrong philosophy based on eugenics. It was wrong. 'Race' shouldn't even be on the census. The census was only meant as a head count of

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adult voters. Why is it interesting? It's interesting what 'race' people think they are? The more interesting question is why do people still think about 'race'. Again race doesn't exist. It no more exists than the false notion of ether as the medium of

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'Race' on the census is based upon what you call yourself. It's not based on real scientific data. Hitler based his wrong philosophy based on eugenics. It was wrong. 'Race' shouldn't even be on the census. The census was only meant as a head count of

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adult voters. Why is it interesting? It's interesting what 'race' people think they are? The more interesting question is why do people still think about 'race'. Again race doesn't exist. It no more exists than the false notion of ether as the medium of
You're missing the point, which is discussion of these interesting/cool maps, in favor of some inane semantic argument.

Race exists as a cultural force in our world, whether it's scientifically "real" or not. We've all got to deal with it.
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radio wave transport. For decades scientists have realized 'race' is like ether. In the last decade it's almost as fact as ether. The only reason ether went away is it doesn't divide us like race does.
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First of all, very cool maps. Thanks for posting. I'm a sucker for interesting visualizations.

Second of all, race doesn't exist? Try telling that to blacks that struggles for equal rights in the US, or Jews in Poland and Germany in the 1930s and 1940s, the Italian and Irish immigrants at the turn of the 20th century, and any number of peoples that have struggled to be treated like humans.

It's one thing to say that the genetic basis for race doesn't exist. To extrapolate that and say therefore race (and racism) doesn't exist is jumping the shark.
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