The bitchin and moaning has gone to far !

extravagrant · 10-01-2010, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Half of the people are below the median. Mathematically, it is possible for all but 1 to be below average.

Mathematically, "average" can be taken to mean a wide variety of things, and is not necessarily the arithmetic mean.[/math degree]

On-Topic: The amount of bitching and whining on this forum has made it pretty unpalatable for this noob, and so I don't come around much anymore, nor do I have a strong desire to be a part of this community. The signal-to-noise ratio is pretty low; there's a lot of gnashing of teeth from people who don't seem to give a flying squirrel about photography, but just want a spec'd out gadget, and on the other side, militant fanboyism.

I really *like* my Pentax gear, but I *love* taking pictures.

Parallax · 10-01-2010, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by extravagrant

Mathematically, "average" can be taken to mean a wide variety of things, and is not necessarily the arithmetic mean.[/math degree]

............

Understood. That doesn't make either of my two assertions false.
1. Half of all people are at or below the median.
2. Mathematically it is possible for all but one (of a sample population) to be below average.

JACOBY · 10-01-2010, 12:35 PM - **1 Like**

You got it man. People are never happy when I hear someone complain I tell them to come and work with me for a day. I work with special needs people I tell myself I got it made compared to these folks. And I don't have very much. But I'm glad I wake up every mourning.

the swede · 10-01-2010, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by JACOBY

You got it man. People are never happy when I hear someone complain I tell them to come and work with me for a day. I work with special needs people I tell myself I got it made compared to these folks. And I don't have very much. But I'm glad I wake up every mourning.

Well said! And you are fortunate to have that kind of job, wich is a kind of an eye opener into the facts of life.

We shared the same school buildings with special needs children when i was young, wich im am very thankfull of today.

extravagrant · 10-01-2010, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

Understood. That doesn't make either of my two assertions false.
1. Half of all people are below the median.
2. Mathematically it is possible for all but one (of a sample population) to be below average.

I hope no one else minds my needless nitpicking (including Parallax), but the median is also an "average", and it is mathematically possible for all but one of a sample population to be below or equal to the median. It is also possible to have only one of a sample population less than the median.

I would let it go, but they rescind your math degree if you don't actively try to suck the life out of conversations by arguing pointless minutiae.

Clicker · 10-01-2010, 04:42 PM

i love the moaning but the bitching i cant take

Blue · 10-01-2010, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden

Only if they are normal-distributed.

With the troll population in question, I think non-parametric statistics would be required!

Parallax · 10-02-2010, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by extravagrant

I hope no one else minds my needless nitpicking (including Parallax), but the median is also an "average", and it is mathematically possible for all but one of a sample population to be below or equal to the median. It is also possible to have only one of a sample population less than the median.

I would let it go, but they rescind your math degree if you don't actively try to suck the life out of conversations by arguing pointless minutiae.

I believe you are confusing median with mean. The arithmetic median is the midpoint in a string of numbers, not an average. (if there are an even number of values in the string, the median is the average of the middle two).
In the string 1 2 3 3 3 4 5 8 8 9 22, 4 is the median. (Equal number of values above and below that)
The average (or mean) of the string is 6.182 (rounded to 3 decimals.)

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EDIT: In my initial assertion, I stated that half would be below the median and this is not quite correct. There will be equal numbers above and below the median. They can be fewer than half, as some may be at the median. (As in the string 1, 2,2,2, and 3)

the swede · 10-02-2010, 08:35 AM

So....what does it have to do with the bitchin and moaning in the "news and rumors" section?

magkelly · 10-02-2010, 08:40 AM

Some people just don't know how to count their blessings when they have them. It's the same in all areas of life really. Half cup, is it half empty or half full? People take too much for granted these days that they can do this, buy that, all the time. Me, I just laugh when I see all those complaining posts because probably more than half of the bitchin going in is from people who already have the digital equivalent of a Mercedes in their hand, and me I'm still driving the analog equivalent of an old Chevy.

Not to make anyone feel bad, I do have to wonder sometimes if people like that can ever stop bitchin and whining long enough to be grateful to have what they have and to actually use it. It's Saturday, already! Take whatever camera you've got, get off this forum, go find something to shoot besides the mouth for a change! BTW, lest you think I'm talking out of turn, I'm taking my own advice as soon as I've had my lunch. I'm loading up my SLR with a roll of film, packing me a drink and some extra film and a lens or two and I'm getting out of here to go shoot some pictures! 20 minutes to eat, read a few posts and I am out of here for a couple of hours at least!

Parallax · 10-02-2010, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by the swede

So....what does it have to do with the bitchin and moaning in the "news and rumors" section?

Nothing. What's your point?

(o.k., o.k., I'll stop.)

johnmflores · 10-03-2010, 12:33 PM

I want to start a new thread, "The bitching and moaning about the bitching and moaning has gone too far!"

Who's with me?

Parallax · 10-03-2010, 12:40 PM

Go for it!

Blue · 10-03-2010, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by the swede

So....what does it have to do with the bitchin and moaning in the "news and rumors" section?

I think the Hypothesis in this case is that ~ 49% of the bitchers are below "average."

**Ash** · 10-03-2010, 09:51 PM

You guys are crazy!

What's this thread about again?

creampuff, you're right on the money. +1, man!
You like K-5? Go buy! No like K-5? No buy.

10-01-2010, 09:52 AM	#47
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by extravagrant Mathematically, "average" can be taken to mean a wide variety of things, and is not necessarily the arithmetic mean.[/math degree] ............ Understood. That doesn't make either of my two assertions false. 1. Half of all people are at or below the median. 2. Mathematically it is possible for all but one (of a sample population) to be below average. Last edited by Parallax; 10-02-2010 at 08:34 AM.

10-02-2010, 08:24 AM	#53
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by extravagrant I hope no one else minds my needless nitpicking (including Parallax), but the median is also an "average", and it is mathematically possible for all but one of a sample population to be below or equal to the median. It is also possible to have only one of a sample population less than the median. I would let it go, but they rescind your math degree if you don't actively try to suck the life out of conversations by arguing pointless minutiae. I believe you are confusing median with mean. The arithmetic median is the midpoint in a string of numbers, not an average. (if there are an even number of values in the string, the median is the average of the middle two). In the string 1 2 3 3 3 4 5 8 8 9 22, 4 is the median. (Equal number of values above and below that) The average (or mean) of the string is 6.182 (rounded to 3 decimals.) Citation Citation Citation EDIT: In my initial assertion, I stated that half would be below the median and this is not quite correct. There will be equal numbers above and below the median. They can be fewer than half, as some may be at the median. (As in the string 1, 2,2,2, and 3) Last edited by Parallax; 10-02-2010 at 10:56 AM.

10-01-2010, 03:34 AM	#46
extravagrant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chicago Photos: Gallery Posts: 121	Originally posted by Parallax Half of the people are below the median. Mathematically, it is possible for all but 1 to be below average. Mathematically, "average" can be taken to mean a wide variety of things, and is not necessarily the arithmetic mean.[/math degree] On-Topic: The amount of bitching and whining on this forum has made it pretty unpalatable for this noob, and so I don't come around much anymore, nor do I have a strong desire to be a part of this community. The signal-to-noise ratio is pretty low; there's a lot of gnashing of teeth from people who don't seem to give a flying squirrel about photography, but just want a spec'd out gadget, and on the other side, militant fanboyism. I really like my Pentax gear, but I love taking pictures.

10-01-2010, 12:35 PM - 1 Like	#48
JACOBY Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: PGH PENNA Posts: 340	You got it man. People are never happy when I hear someone complain I tell them to come and work with me for a day. I work with special needs people I tell myself I got it made compared to these folks. And I don't have very much. But I'm glad I wake up every mourning.

10-01-2010, 01:17 PM	#49
the swede Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,310 Original Poster	Originally posted by JACOBY You got it man. People are never happy when I hear someone complain I tell them to come and work with me for a day. I work with special needs people I tell myself I got it made compared to these folks. And I don't have very much. But I'm glad I wake up every mourning. Well said! And you are fortunate to have that kind of job, wich is a kind of an eye opener into the facts of life. We shared the same school buildings with special needs children when i was young, wich im am very thankfull of today.

10-01-2010, 02:36 PM	#50
extravagrant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chicago Photos: Gallery Posts: 121	Originally posted by Parallax Understood. That doesn't make either of my two assertions false. 1. Half of all people are below the median. 2. Mathematically it is possible for all but one (of a sample population) to be below average. I hope no one else minds my needless nitpicking (including Parallax), but the median is also an "average", and it is mathematically possible for all but one of a sample population to be below or equal to the median. It is also possible to have only one of a sample population less than the median. I would let it go, but they rescind your math degree if you don't actively try to suck the life out of conversations by arguing pointless minutiae.

10-01-2010, 04:42 PM	#51
Clicker Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,241	i love the moaning but the bitching i cant take

10-01-2010, 07:54 PM	#52
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden Only if they are normal-distributed. With the troll population in question, I think non-parametric statistics would be required!

10-02-2010, 08:35 AM	#54
the swede Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,310 Original Poster	So....what does it have to do with the bitchin and moaning in the "news and rumors" section?

10-02-2010, 08:40 AM	#55
magkelly Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,901	Some people just don't know how to count their blessings when they have them. It's the same in all areas of life really. Half cup, is it half empty or half full? People take too much for granted these days that they can do this, buy that, all the time. Me, I just laugh when I see all those complaining posts because probably more than half of the bitchin going in is from people who already have the digital equivalent of a Mercedes in their hand, and me I'm still driving the analog equivalent of an old Chevy. Not to make anyone feel bad, I do have to wonder sometimes if people like that can ever stop bitchin and whining long enough to be grateful to have what they have and to actually use it. It's Saturday, already! Take whatever camera you've got, get off this forum, go find something to shoot besides the mouth for a change! BTW, lest you think I'm talking out of turn, I'm taking my own advice as soon as I've had my lunch. I'm loading up my SLR with a roll of film, packing me a drink and some extra film and a lens or two and I'm getting out of here to go shoot some pictures! 20 minutes to eat, read a few posts and I am out of here for a couple of hours at least!

10-02-2010, 09:14 AM	#56
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by the swede So....what does it have to do with the bitchin and moaning in the "news and rumors" section? Nothing. What's your point? (o.k., o.k., I'll stop.)

10-03-2010, 12:33 PM	#57
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	I want to start a new thread, "The bitching and moaning about the bitching and moaning has gone too far!" Who's with me?

10-03-2010, 12:40 PM	#58
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Go for it!

10-03-2010, 01:26 PM	#59
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by the swede So....what does it have to do with the bitchin and moaning in the "news and rumors" section? I think the Hypothesis in this case is that ~ 49% of the bitchers are below "average."

10-03-2010, 09:51 PM	#60
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	You guys are crazy! What's this thread about again? creampuff, you're right on the money. +1, man! You like K-5? Go buy! No like K-5? No buy.