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11-02-2010, 09:45 PM   #1
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Goodbye Mr. Feingold

What can I say........
What Feingold's Loss Means for Progressives - Newsweek
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"Progressivism is here and it's here to stay," says Dresang. "But that's not going to mean an election victory every time." With unemployment as high as it is and foreclosures pushing so many people out of their homes, he notes, it should come as no surprise that people are fearful and angry. It was inevitable that many incumbent Democrats would get clobbered. This is not the first time, Dresang says, that Wisconsin voters have punished liberals. After all, this is the state that elected Senator Joseph McCarthy, the anti-communist demagogue.

Ron Johnson, 55, a plastics manufacturer who had never before run for office, was invited to a Tea Party rally in his hometown in Oshkosh last year. Asked to talk about government regulations on businesses, he instead delivered an impassioned criticism of the health-care bill, saying that his daughter, who was born with a severe heart defect, had survived only because America offered superior medical prowess. Somebody at the gathering told him he should run to replace Feingold.

While Johnson is regarded as affable and earnest, he is seen as neither particularly charismatic nor sophisticated on policy issues. But this election was not about Johnson. It was a referendum on the Democratic Party and, it would seem, represents a repudiation of policies coming out of Washington.

Johnson described the health-care bill as "the greatest affront to personal freedom in my lifetime." In ads, he lumped Feingold in with the "Reid-Pelosi-Obama camp." For his part, Feingold appealed to Wisconsin's progressive impulses and history, invoking pioneering Progressive Robert "Fighting Bob" LaFollette and declaring that he was trying to "live up to [LaFollette's] tradition."

Feingold's defeat could mark the end of a political career that was often unconventional. He launched his first bid for the Senate in 1992 with quirky, amateurish ads and a printed pledge to voters that he nailed on his garage in Middleton, the small town that borders Madison. On the campaign trail, Feingold took every opportunity to remind voters that he is a political maverick. His signature legislation was the campaign finance bill he co-sponsored with self-proclaimed maverick John McCain, the Arizona Republican, and which has largely been blunted by the recent Supreme Court ruling in the Citizens United case.
Glad you had health insurance Mr. Johnson......
NOW the hard work begins......
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/us/politics/03boehner.html
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His promises on behalf of the new House majority — reducing the size of government, creating jobs and fundamentally altering the way the Congress conducts its business — are mostly as lofty as they are unspecific, and his efforts to legislate them into reality must be done with ambitious upstarts within his own party and a fresh crop of Tea Partiers, some of whom seem to believe that it is they, not he, now running the show.................Indeed, Mr. Boehner and his party were delivered no clear mandate from voters, who, polls suggested, were rejecting a policy agenda more than they were rallying around one. One demand resonated loudly: the reduction of federal spending immediately, a daunting goal. Yet, among the first things that Mr. Boehner has said he will seek to accomplish are reversing cuts to the Medicare program and extending the expiring Bush-era tax cuts, steps that are hard to reconcile with a commitment to reining in the national debt.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/us/politics/03boehner.html
AND I find this quite ironic..........
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“There will be plenty of Republicans willing to help reduce both,” the senator said. “There are places where he has expressed interest in the past that would be similar to our own interests.”
Let the freak show begin......... again.
Oh.. BTW:
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The results will bolster Republican efforts to extend Bush- era tax cuts for those earning more than $250,000 and to defeat Obama’s proposals to increase taxes on companies’ overseas profits.

On health care, they are “really going to be pushing back on the regulations,” said Kim Monk, managing director at the investment advisory firm Capital Alpha Partners LLC in Washington. “There could be some serious blowback from a Republican Congress.”

Backfire Risk

Republicans also are likely to use their new leadership of House committees to tie up administration officials in hearings to explain and delay proposed rules on pesticides, ozone standards and mining, said Kenneth Green, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, a group critical of Environmental Protection Agency regulations.

The efforts may backfire, especially if Republicans carry out threats to subpoena members of the Obama administration and if their push to cut spending results in a government shutdown, said Jack Pitney, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College in Claremont, California.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-03/business-looks-to-republicans-to...les-taxes.html
At least it's not a Hitler mustache.....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/compost/2010/11/boehner_boxer_and_fiorina_-_co.html

Background.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/us/politics/15boehner.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1


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One of the best guys in Washington, so of course he got voted out.

Funny how the main attack they used against him was that he voted on the party line too often, when in fact he votes on the party line less than anyone else in the Senate.
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Sad day.
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Thank God and good riddance. Don't let the screen door hit you on the way out

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Thank God and good riddance. Don't let the screen door hit you on the way out
Which policies/stances/actions of his were you so disgusted with, exactly?

Here's a little help:

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Feingold's primary legislative focus has been on campaign finance reform, fair trade policies, health care reform, conservation and environmental protection, a multilateral foreign policy, Social Security, civil liberties, and the elimination of capital punishment and wasteful spending.
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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
One of the best guys in Washington, so of course he got voted out.

Funny how the main attack they used against him was that he voted on the party line too often, when in fact he votes on the party line less than anyone else in the Senate.
Yeah, but why bother with the truth when the propaganda's so much more *flattering?* That's the real thing about all this, a 'tax protest' hating the guy who cut their taxes, ...stay tuned for more backwards, you know?
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One of the best guys in Washington,
Agree: serious about policy r/t B.S.

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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
One of the best guys in Washington, so of course he got voted out.

Funny how the main attack they used against him was that he voted on the party line too often, when in fact he votes on the party line less than anyone else in the Senate.
Good riddance, adios, gutten tag! Another progressive lib bit the dust.
" Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust"
Hallelujah.
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Good riddance, adios, gutten tag! Another progressive lib bit the dust.
" Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust"
Hallelujah.
I'll ask you the same question I asked JavaJoe, then. I know that you will disagree with him on reforming the healthcare system and probably environmental protection (though the why of opposing those is beyond me). Do you disagree with him on reducing wasteful government spending? How about civil liberties? Campaign finance reform?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Artesian Quote
Good riddance, adios, gutten tag! Another progressive lib bit the dust.
" Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust"
Hallelujah.
So you seem to have not platform but to b&tch........
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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
I'll ask you the same question I asked JavaJoe, then. I know that you will disagree with him on reforming the healthcare system and probably environmental protection (though the why of opposing those is beyond me). Do you disagree with him on reducing wasteful government spending? How about civil liberties? Campaign finance reform?
Except the "reform" we got was with bogus numbers. Like most everything this administration does. Bogus, or as Al liked to say "fuzzy numbers"
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Still haven't really answered my question...
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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
I'll ask you the same question I asked JavaJoe, then. I know that you will disagree with him on reforming the healthcare system and probably environmental protection (though the why of opposing those is beyond me). Do you disagree with him on reducing wasteful government spending? How about civil liberties? Campaign finance reform?
Ok,

Campaign finance reform he championed has been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, but that is not good enough for you?

One particular problem with Feingold is that he's voted for every spending bill that's come across his pen. Wait, I take that back; he voted to cut spending on our military while they were fighting a war. But beside that one patriotic exception, he has been a faithful big spender.

Over-spending is just one problem for Feingold. Based strictly upon his voting record, Feingold has been rated the second most liberal Senator in the Senate, even out-doing self-described socialist Bernie Sanders. Despite his manufactured maverick facade, Feingold's voting record reflects a consistent pro-spending, anti-business, anti-military, anti-free trade, and anti-domestic security agenda that's often seen among the base of his party. Senator Feingold supported the $787 Billion spending plan.

Feingold has consistently voted to obstruct the intelligence gathering networks of the FBI and CIA that's necessary to prevent large-scale terrorist attacks. In 2001, Feingold was the only Senator out of 100 to vote against the Patriot Act.
290 million to Wisconsin Dairy Farmers? So much pork for milk? So much for wasteful Government spending.

Civil Liberties? Sen. Russell Feingold thinks bans on same-sex marriages have no place in the nation's laws. I disagree.
Supported laying groundwork for federal takeover of Healthcare delivery. I disagree.
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Thank you for that -

IMO the Patriot Act has some very troubling aspects, e.g. warrantless wire tapping, with no real oversight as to what info is collected and for whose purposes. Sure, it may help trap some terrorist planning... but it seems to me against our Fourth Amendment.


Oh, and while we're talking about voting for spending, what about Boehner crying on the floor begging Republicans to vote for TARP?
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Ok,

Campaign finance reform he championed has been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, but that is not good enough for you?

One particular problem with Feingold is that he's voted for every spending bill that's come across his pen. Wait, I take that back; he voted to cut spending on our military while they were fighting a war. But beside that one patriotic exception, he has been a faithful big spender.

Over-spending is just one problem for Feingold. Based strictly upon his voting record, Feingold has been rated the second most liberal Senator in the Senate, even out-doing self-described socialist Bernie Sanders. Despite his manufactured maverick facade, Feingold's voting record reflects a consistent pro-spending, anti-business, anti-military, anti-free trade, and anti-domestic security agenda that's often seen among the base of his party. Senator Feingold supported the $787 Billion spending plan.

Feingold has consistently voted to obstruct the intelligence gathering networks of the FBI and CIA that's necessary to prevent large-scale terrorist attacks. In 2001, Feingold was the only Senator out of 100 to vote against the Patriot Act.
290 million to Wisconsin Dairy Farmers? So much pork for milk? So much for wasteful Government spending.

Civil Liberties? Sen. Russell Feingold thinks bans on same-sex marriages have no place in the nation's laws. I disagree.
Supported laying groundwork for federal takeover of Healthcare delivery. I disagree.
Thanks for the detailed response.

I guess we just have fundamental disagreements on most of these issues. I see most of them as positives.

The campaign finance decision made by the Supreme Court essentially allows corporations to buy elections, which is one of the saddest things that has happened to this country recently.

Cutting funding for the military is one of the smartest things we can do at this juncture, given our huge debt and the fact that we're fighting two completely unnecessary "wars."

Similarly, though it did add to our debt, the stimulus probably ultimately saved our economy, like it or not.

Re: spending in general:
Senator Russ Feingold: The Control Spending Now Act
A fiscal exam for Feingold, Johnson (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)

Essentially, if you think raising taxes to control the deficit, or passing emergency measures to save the national economy, is being a big spender, then he is. If you think slashing the deficit and opposing big discretionary spending projects is being fiscally conservative, the he is. Ron Johnson, on the other hand, has no record whatsoever, and his plans to reduce the deficit are naive at best.

The Patriot Act was an atrocity as it was originally passed, and I'm proud of Feingold for having the balls to stand up to it alone.

As for gay marriage, well... you're a homophobe, I get it.
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