[jeffkrol]

Let's see how they listen:

Everything from the subsidies to the increase in the Medicare tax is popular. The individual mandate isn't, and you might see the GOP focus on that, but tweaking the penalty there is a far cry from full repeal. Eventually, the GOP is going to stop being on the side of health-care repeal and find themselves on the side of allowing insurers to discriminate against the sick and seniors to fall into the doughnut hole, just as Democrats eventually found themselves on the side of the Cornhusker Kickback and $500 billion in Medicare cuts rather than health-care reform.

What will happen, David Frum predicts, is that the GOP will focus on the bill's unpopular elements but blink when it comes to repealing the legislation itself. "Republicans may gain political benefit," he writes, "but Democrats get the policy. In this exchange, it is the Democrats who gain the better end of the deal. Congressional majorities come and go. Entitlement programs last forever."

Ezra Klein - Why repealing the health-care law will be difficult in two charts
Is it really that surprising...............
Kaisers ill worded poll to the contrary.........
And..........
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-friend/the-real-lesson-of-the-mi_b_780949.html

We could go on. The upshot is that those who voted against Democratic policies were voting against a fiction -- an emotion-drenched narrative of big-spending, un-American "socialism" invented by professional GOP tale-spinners, and amplified by their collaborators in the right-wing media. Unfortunately, that narrative went largely unanswered by Democrats.


Graph: Is the TARP money gone for good, or is it being recovered?And it's not just voters who were deceived: many in the media are stuck inside Republican framing and can't get out. On 60 Minutes Sunday night , interviewer Steve Kroft repeatedly asked President Obama if he had heard the message that voters want "smaller, less costly, more accountable" government. Kroft seemed unable to hear Obama's answer that he wants those things too -- he campaigned on them. His signature health care reform aims to reduce the single biggest source of government spending (26 percent of the federal budget and growing). The burst of spending early in his administration was an emergency response to stave off a Depression, not a policy preference.

Meanwhile Republicans offer only vague promises and meaningless gestures, such as "cutting waste" or "tort reform", neither of which, as they well know, would make more than a dent in the problem. But because Republicans are better at spinning the narrative, they get to wear the mantle of "fiscal responsibility" in the eyes of many voters and many journalists.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-friend/the-real-lesson-of-the-mi_b_780949.html

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[Ratmagiclady]

Heheheh.

The Daily Mash - AMERICA EXERCISES RIGHT TO PUNCH ITSELF IN THE NUTS

[jeffkrol]

Nearly 59 million Americans went without health insurance coverage for at least part of 2010, many of them with conditions or diseases that needed treatment, federal health officials said on Tuesday.

They said 4 million more Americans went without insurance in the first part of 2010 than during the same time in 2008.

That's MILLION for you that are hard of hearing.......

Frieden said more people also went for a year or more with no health insurance -- from 27.5 million in 2008 to 30.4 million in the first quarter of 2010. "That's an increase of 3 million in chronically uninsured adults," he said.

"Now, the data also allow us to debunk two myths about health care coverage," Frieden added.

"The first myth is that it's only the poor who are uninsured. In fact, half of the uninsured are over the poverty level and one in three adults under 65 in the middle income range -- defined arbitrarily here between $44,000 and $65,000 a year for a family of four -- were uninsured at some point in the year."

Nearly 59 million lack health insurance: CDC | Reuters
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/what_should_john_boehner_do.php?page=1

[wizofoz]

I spent yesterday afternoon with one of my oldest friends. He told me in detail how his wife had contracted an obscure form of Leukemia. The treatment involved a very experimental regimen of drugs that cost well over $100,000 Aus. There was no charge to my friend and family byt he hospital and medical system, it was all taken care of by our Medicare system. Why the HELL don't you guys have something similar?? Not enough profit for big medicine and big pharma maybe? Is it considered socialist to live in a country that actually gives a rats A@#$ about it's less than elite citizens? I just don't get it.

[jeffkrol]

A whole bunch of americans don't either. Unfortunately there apparently not the ones that matter...........

[wizofoz]

Form a 'Coffee party' and get those dolts on the other side to listen to reason. How can caring for the populace be unconstitutional, un-American or even slightly wrong. I repeat, I don't get it.

(while you are at it, see if the CP can do something about gun control too.... I'll duck now and get out of the firing line )

[mikemike]

What a surprise, the general public wants to repeal all the taxes and keep all the spending.

In other news:
People want to lose wait but they don't want to eat less or exercise more.

Men want more sex but don't want to put up with their partner's PMS during their period.

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The pieces of health care law that have gone into effect already have underperformed. It makes you wonder whether about the rest of the projections that to get the hard sell on this plan.

After the health care law passed, concerns emerged immediately that a $5 billion appropriation would not be nearly enough to cover the hordes expected to enroll in a network of new insurance pools for people with pre-existing conditions. The government’s health care actuary projected that hundreds of thousands of otherwise uninsurable people would rush to gain coverage this year, and that the money would be exhausted by 2012.

Instead, after two or three months of operation in most states, the plans have enrolled only 8,011 people, according to figures made available for the first time by the Department of Health and Human Services. Although there are notable exceptions, enrollment in most states as of Nov. 1 was well below 10 percent of capacity.

New York and Florida, for instance, have each enrolled fewer than 300, and 21 states have fewer than 50.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/05/health/policy/05risk.html

High population states like NY and FL have only 300 high risk people without insurance or who are not interested in insurance...

I hope someone is keeping a close eye on that $5B pile of cash.

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[jeffkrol]

correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't some political party JUST quoting the "voice of the people" for errr... 2 years????????????????
As to the 5bil I'm sure the military can use it..........