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11-17-2010, 01:34 PM   #1
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FOX News: Obama Praises Indian Chief Who Killed U.S. General

Fox News Turns Obama's Kid Book Into Anti-American War Epic



From the comments on the FOX Nation article:

"Other than the fact that Sitting Bull was honored by having his image on the obverse of the UNITED STATES NICKEL, and the fact that Crazy Horse, not Sitting Bull, killed Custer, and the fact that Custer was an Army Lt. Colonel, not a General, this article is dead on."

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Situational irony:

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In a market economy, the more efficient Crazy Horse gave the erratic Custer the precise market judgement he deserved. As usual the losing side promptly renames both parties in order to hide the blot, and promptly starts a pr campaign to recover the losses.
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Never let facts get in the way of a good story. (Or headline)

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Never let facts get in the way of a good story. (Or headline)
It's Fox. Would you expect anything different? A cheeta can't change its spots.
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It's Fox. Would you expect anything different? A cheeta can't change its spots.
I need to word this carefully. To say "I trust them as much as any other news outlet" would give the wrong impression so I guess I should say "I don't trust them any less than any other".
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I need to word this carefully. To say "I trust them as much as any other news outlet" would give the wrong impression so I guess I should say "I don't trust them any less than any other".
+1 Total agreement here.

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I suppose I'd have to add, in the same vein, that I don't trust Weekly World News any less than the New York Times and Washington Post.

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Any claims of who killed Custer are spurious.
In the years following the battle it became clear that no Native American on the field that day knew they were even fighting Custer. Custer had recently cut his long hair, and was not wearing his signature buckskins on the day of the battle.
In fact, Chief Gall only recognized Tom Custer, Custer's brother, who he had had previously met... but every credible source in the years immediately following the battle testified to having no idea Custer was there.

General Terry, who arrived on the scene in the days following the battle conducted a thorough investigation.
Custer was found stripped with only minor mutilation of his body (arms and legs still attached, whereas most other corpses had been dismembered )
He had NOT been scalped
And he had two wounds, A bullet wound in his chest, and another, 'contact' wound to his temple. ( described as powder blackened )

This strongly argues that there was no such hand to hand combat, as no warrior defeating Custer hand to hand would have left the body unscalped. Contrary to reportage, Natives American did not leave bodies unscalped as a sign of respect, they did not scalp men they did not personally defeat.

Terry found that Custer's column rode in good order to the river and started to cross, but that not one Shod horse made it to the other side.
He found that Custer's column then retreated in disorder, back up the embankment, ending up at the disordered and confusing site of the massacre.

Chief Gall reported that he was on his way from the northern part of the encampment toward the sound of fighting to the South ( Reno) when he was drawn to gunfire from the river near the middle of the camp... and he arrived to see Custer's cavalry in full retreat up the far bank...
SOMETHING had stopped Custer's charge across the river.

The Cheyenne, who were encamped near Custer's attempted crossing, tell the story of the Four Warriors... that when the women saw the Cavalry coming down Medicine Coulee and shouted an alarm, that only 4 Cheyenne braves were close enough to react, and that they countercharged Custer's column in the river.
They reported that with the first volley, ONE SOLDIER fell from his horse... that the column stopped, and rescued the fallen man from the river, and then milled about, and the whole column retreated.

Terry and subsequent forensics has found no evidence of a major exchange of fire at the crossing... no bodies, and no dead horses and very few bullet casings.
Custer had never in his career dismounted in the face of the enemy, nor had he ever stopped a charge over the loss of one man.

There is only one person that could have been lost that would have stopped the 7th from crossing the river, and that man is Custer himself.

The disordered melee that is seen in the disposition of the shells and bodies on the battlefield indicate a detachment that no longer had cogent leadership.... and certainly not the audacious leadership that Custer displayed thru his entire career.

The most likely explanation is that Custer was wounded in the initial volley at the crossing, and his men, unsure of what to do, rescued him, and retreated to re-group.
Custer may or may not have been conscious thru the remainder of the fight, but his fatal wound is similar to many such wounds found among the last to die and is consistent with a self inflicted "save the last bullet" scenario, or with a fellow trooper dispatching Custer to keep him from falling into the hands of the Natives alive.

That he was not scalped is the clincher... No native would take the scalp of a coward... and all native tribes considered suicide to be a cowards death.
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Wow, thanks for that interesting story. Makes sense too.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
I need to word this carefully. To say "I trust them as much as any other news outlet" would give the wrong impression so I guess I should say "I don't trust them any less than any other".
I trust Fox news the least of any news (if you can call it that) outlet. All of them leave a lot to be desired, but IMHO Fox is the worst of all. For instance, take the story about Obama's trip costing $200M a day. Every talking head on Fox ran with that story non-stop while almost every talking head on the other outlets were saying...NOT TRUE! Fox apparently never bothered to check the facts, and never came back and said the story was incorrect.
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I trust Fox news the least of any news (if you can call it that) outlet. All of them leave a lot to be desired, but IMHO Fox is the worst of all. For instance, take the story about Obama's trip costing $200M a day. Every talking head on Fox ran with that story non-stop while almost every talking head on the other outlets were saying...NOT TRUE! Fox apparently never bothered to check the facts, and never came back and said the story was incorrect.
Can you prove that it didn't? The White House won't release the actual amounts for "security" reasons. Personally I think it was about 50 million per diem. Can I prove it? Nope.

By the same token the liberal media hasn't apologized for not vetting the pres during the election.
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By the same token the liberal media hasn't apologized for not vetting the pres during the election.
And which vetting would this be - the exposing of his Muslim Anti-Imperialist Born in a Foreign Country Nazi Socialist White Hating true self?

I think you may have that one backward: who owes who an apology...
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Yeah, I'm curious to hear which vetting wasn't done.
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Yeah, I'm curious to hear which vetting wasn't done.
What did we really know about Obama? We knew a lot more about other presidential candidates during this and other elections.
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