USA Health care redux

GeneV · 02-21-2011, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by mikemike

Health insurance protects your health like life insurance protects your life, it only kicks in when you don't have it any more.

Which makes insurance a poor vehicle for providing health care.

jeffkrol · 02-21-2011, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by mikemike

I'm not a doctor but I play one on YouTube!

Health insurance protects your health like life insurance protects your life, it only kicks in when you don't have it any more.

The role of the federal government in health care should focus on public health, research, and development. It will be hard or impossible for them to play a positive role in either delivering or paying for health care without accelerating the systemic problems that plague nation's health care system.

The health insurance reform that was delivered fell far short of the goal of universal coverage and still costs 3 times as much as what candidate obama was talking about on the campaign trail.

IF priv. sector h.c. and ins. was at the least bit effectual for the majority there wouldn't even be "Obamacare"...........
BTW: I have yet read an article saying how "wonderful" our heath care ins. system is......... how well it works, how affordable it is. Don't mind if you show me one......

Quote:

Hey, wait a minute!
By htr | Published: Sunday, July 18, 2010

The lead article of the Sunday July 18, 2010) New York Times says this:

“…the country’s biggest insurers are promoting affordable plans with reduced premiums that require participants to use a narrower selection of doctors or hospitals. ”

Source: Insurers Push Plans That Limit Health Choices – NYTimes.com
Address : <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/business/18choice.html?_r=1&th&emc=th> (Italics added.)

Comment: I thought only “socialized” medicine limited choices and rationed care, not private insurers. Does this mean we get no public option and limited choice.

http://www.thereasonableprogressive.org/2010/07/hey-wait-a-minute/

Nesster · 02-22-2011, 07:37 AM

But Jeff - that's an example of market forces producing solutions - we all know that government producing a similar solution is Socialist Death Panels Leaving Your Grandmother Worse Off Than the Lowliest Russian Under Communism. But it's nobler when the corporations do it.

shooz · 02-22-2011, 07:58 AM

When will the MICs try to commoditize the whole thing?

You know hedge your bet on the cancer market by investing in diabetes.
Sound absurd, but it's the direction we are heading.

Truth v Fiction?
Fiction has to make sense.

02-21-2011, 02:01 PM	#77
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434 Original Poster	Originally posted by mikemike I'm not a doctor but I play one on YouTube! Health insurance protects your health like life insurance protects your life, it only kicks in when you don't have it any more. The role of the federal government in health care should focus on public health, research, and development. It will be hard or impossible for them to play a positive role in either delivering or paying for health care without accelerating the systemic problems that plague nation's health care system. The health insurance reform that was delivered fell far short of the goal of universal coverage and still costs 3 times as much as what candidate obama was talking about on the campaign trail. IF priv. sector h.c. and ins. was at the least bit effectual for the majority there wouldn't even be "Obamacare"........... BTW: I have yet read an article saying how "wonderful" our heath care ins. system is......... how well it works, how affordable it is. Don't mind if you show me one...... Quote: Hey, wait a minute! By htr \| Published: Sunday, July 18, 2010 The lead article of the Sunday July 18, 2010) New York Times says this: “…the country’s biggest insurers are promoting affordable plans with reduced premiums that require participants to use a narrower selection of doctors or hospitals. ” Source: Insurers Push Plans That Limit Health Choices – NYTimes.com Address : <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/18/business/18choice.html?_r=1&th&emc=th> (Italics added.) Comment: I thought only “socialized” medicine limited choices and rationed care, not private insurers. Does this mean we get no public option and limited choice. http://www.thereasonableprogressive.org/2010/07/hey-wait-a-minute/ Last edited by jeffkrol; 02-21-2011 at 02:11 PM.

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02-21-2011, 01:47 PM	#76
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by mikemike Health insurance protects your health like life insurance protects your life, it only kicks in when you don't have it any more. Which makes insurance a poor vehicle for providing health care.

02-22-2011, 07:37 AM	#78
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	But Jeff - that's an example of market forces producing solutions - we all know that government producing a similar solution is Socialist Death Panels Leaving Your Grandmother Worse Off Than the Lowliest Russian Under Communism. But it's nobler when the corporations do it.

02-22-2011, 07:58 AM	#79
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	When will the MICs try to commoditize the whole thing? You know hedge your bet on the cancer market by investing in diabetes. Sound absurd, but it's the direction we are heading. Truth v Fiction? Fiction has to make sense.