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shooz · 02-19-2011, 10:31 AM

Worked for Wallstreet. They even got VERY rich.
Massive tax break too.

GeneV · 02-19-2011, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Oh yeah, knowing that you'll be fed, housed, and clothed whether you do a good job or not is great motivator.

Maybe better than you think. Most of these countries have better unemployment rates than we do. I suspect that starvation may be a motivator for a certain level of worker to eke out an existence, but at the level that gives real competitiveness for a higher standard of living--not so much.

Closer to home, the GAO reports that after surveying repeated studies, welfare as it is set up here with low levels of compensation does not significantly diminish incentive to work.

cardinal43 · 02-19-2011, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

Oh yeah, knowing that you'll be fed, housed, and clothed whether you do a good job or not is great motivator.

Sounds like prison. 3 hots and a flop.

Nesster · 02-21-2011, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Oh yeah, knowing that you'll be fed, housed, and clothed whether you do a good job or not is great motivator.

As Gene notes, this isn't necessarily a great motivator past a certain point.

Consider the results of using fear as a motivator: you tend to get timid people unwilling to risk consequences of independent thought or action, you get a lot of dithering and 'politburo reading' in order to figure out the safest opinion/action...

When you are afraid for your bonus, your job, your insurance on average your behavior in the corporation will be different than if these did not loom as large. Mind, you'd still be motivated by promotion and esteem, and the size of your bonus would still be important to you.

I don't think business has overthrown Maslow.

Parallax · 02-21-2011, 09:48 AM

It all goes back to McGregor's Theory X and Theory Y, doesn't it?
The debate goes on..............................................

shooz · 02-21-2011, 10:03 AM

It's not a debate.
We're still falling.

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02-19-2011, 10:31 AM	#31
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491 Original Poster	Worked for Wallstreet. They even got VERY rich. Massive tax break too.

02-19-2011, 11:48 AM	#32
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by Parallax Oh yeah, knowing that you'll be fed, housed, and clothed whether you do a good job or not is great motivator. Maybe better than you think. Most of these countries have better unemployment rates than we do. I suspect that starvation may be a motivator for a certain level of worker to eke out an existence, but at the level that gives real competitiveness for a higher standard of living--not so much. Closer to home, the GAO reports that after surveying repeated studies, welfare as it is set up here with low levels of compensation does not significantly diminish incentive to work.

02-19-2011, 07:15 PM	#33
cardinal43 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,412	Originally posted by Parallax Oh yeah, knowing that you'll be fed, housed, and clothed whether you do a good job or not is great motivator. Sounds like prison. 3 hots and a flop.

02-21-2011, 06:49 AM	#34
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by Parallax Oh yeah, knowing that you'll be fed, housed, and clothed whether you do a good job or not is great motivator. As Gene notes, this isn't necessarily a great motivator past a certain point. Consider the results of using fear as a motivator: you tend to get timid people unwilling to risk consequences of independent thought or action, you get a lot of dithering and 'politburo reading' in order to figure out the safest opinion/action... When you are afraid for your bonus, your job, your insurance on average your behavior in the corporation will be different than if these did not loom as large. Mind, you'd still be motivated by promotion and esteem, and the size of your bonus would still be important to you. I don't think business has overthrown Maslow.

02-21-2011, 09:48 AM	#35
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	It all goes back to McGregor's Theory X and Theory Y, doesn't it? The debate goes on..............................................

02-21-2011, 10:03 AM	#36
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491 Original Poster	It's not a debate. We're still falling.