another blow against nuclear power

jeffkrol · 03-11-2011, 07:47 AM

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Japan Orders Evacuation From Near Nuclear Plant After Quake - Businessweek

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People within 3 kilometers (2 miles) of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant were told to evacuate, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said in Tokyo today. Residents within 10 kilometers were told to stay indoors, said Ryohei Shiomi, a spokesman at the Emergency Information Center of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

Emergency power supply at the 4,696-megawatt plant 210 kilometers north of Tokyo failed after the quake triggered automatic shutdowns of the reactors, officials at the trade ministry’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency told reporters without identifying themselves. Power is needed to keep cooling the reactor to prevent rising pressure and damage, they said.

A battery, which can last about eight hours, is being used to cool the reactor for now, the agency officials said. Another six batteries have been secured, and the government may use military helicopters to fly them in, they said.

It will never be "safe"...........

Parallax · 03-11-2011, 08:30 AM

Seems to me this proves that it is safe. There was a problem and the reactor shut down as designed. It is not an inherent danger of nuclear power that they only saw fit to have only one battery available.
The power plant is safe. It's whoever is responsible for there being only one battery on hand that is dangerous.

jeffkrol · 03-11-2011, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Seems to me this proves that it is safe. There was a problem and the reactor shut down as designed. It is not an inherent danger of nuclear power that they only saw fit to have only one battery available.
The power plant is safe. It's whoever is responsible for there being only one battery on hand that is dangerous.

Where do I order a pair of them rosy colored glasses....

Considering how thick they are I bet there expensive.. Hope there "multi-coated"
Don't like the glare from the "glow".....

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Please respect FT.com's ts&cs and copyright policy which allow you to: share links; copy content for personal use; & redistribute limited extracts. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights or use this link to reference the article - FT.com / Asia-Pacific - Japan issues alert at quake-hit reactor

Japanese nuclear plants have suffered earthquake damage before. Parts of the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa facility, the world’s largest nuclear power plant with seven reactors on the northwestern Japan Sea coast, remain closed after a 6.8-magnitude quake in 2007. A small amount of radioactive water was leaked in that incident.

Friday’s tremor also damaged another plant further north on the Japanese pacific coast. Tohoku Electric said a turbine at its Onagawara facility had caught fire, but that the blaze had been extinguished and no radiation had leaked.

The declaration of a nuclear emergency was the first under an 11-year old law that requires utilities to notify the public and the government immediately of potentially dangerous situations at atomic plants. The law was prompted in part by previous cover-ups of safety problems at nuclear facilities.

Japan is also required under a series of nuclear safety conventions to notify the IAEA of early nuclear incidents. IAEA officials presume they are receiving little information at present because Japanese are busy responding to the incident.

FT.com / Asia-Pacific - Japan issues alert at quake-hit reactor

reeftool · 03-11-2011, 09:35 AM

As of the moment, while the plant is shut down, no radiation has leaked so it appears the backup power and safety measures are working for now. The fires from ruptured natural gas lines are killing people. My point? The power and technology that provides us the comfort we enjoy so much isn't really "safe" when natural disasters strike. We take far too much for granted. Our technology can quickly become our enemy when disaster strikes. Yes, there is potential for big trouble here but there is a price to pay for ALL power generation. Natural gas pipelines are exploding and burning. Dams can break. Coal and oil pollute our air every day no matter what. Transmission lines fall and start fires. Until we all decide we can live without electricity, we have to live with the risk.

Parallax · 03-11-2011, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by jeffkrol

Where do I order a pair of them rosy colored glasses....

GUCCI SUNGLASSES GG 2564/S Z8M 60X16 ORCHID LILAC ROSE on eBay!

Tom S. · 03-11-2011, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Seems to me this proves that it is safe. There was a problem and the reactor shut down as designed. It is not an inherent danger of nuclear power that they only saw fit to have only one battery available.
The power plant is safe. It's whoever is responsible for there being only one battery on hand that is dangerous.

I have to agree with you on this one. To survive an earthquake of this magnitude with no other issues is proof how well engineered and constructed the plant was. As for the power aspect, Honda makes great generators....

Parallax · 03-11-2011, 10:17 AM

Yep. I have an EU2000 myself. It's shame they don't have one there. It has a battery charge function.

deadwolfbones · 03-11-2011, 10:25 AM

Agree with Parallax on this one. The safety measures did their job.

GeneV · 03-11-2011, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

Seems to me this proves that it is safe. There was a problem and the reactor shut down as designed. It is not an inherent danger of nuclear power that they only saw fit to have only one battery available.
The power plant is safe. It's whoever is responsible for there being only one battery on hand that is dangerous.

I tend to agree as well. How would offshore drilling platforms stand up to an earthquake? How about tanks of oil to run oil-fired plants?

I guess the good news about global warming is that it puts the safety of all kinds of power into perspective.

clmonk · 03-11-2011, 10:33 AM

GeneV wrote: I guess the good news about global warming is that it puts the safety of all kinds of power into perspective.

How so, Gene?? I am not tracking with you on this one??? Specifically I am not sure what global warming has to do with the topic at hand????

GeneV · 03-11-2011, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by clmonk

GeneV wrote: I guess the good news about global warming is that it puts the safety of all kinds of power into perspective.

How so, Gene?? I am not tracking with you on this one??? Specifically I am not sure what global warming has to do with the topic at hand????

There is very little "safe" power once all emissions are taken into account. It is all relative. Nuclear poses some dangers but emissions are low.

clmonk · 03-11-2011, 10:48 AM

Ahhh...Gotcha! I understand now what you are saying. Thanks!

Peter Zack · 03-11-2011, 10:57 AM

I'm on the side that the design of the plants proved how safe they are. The plants shut down automatically while the recent video out of Japan shows an oil refinery burning and exploding as well as a natural gas plant. Plus several of the videos show huge amounts of oil being pushed inland by the waters.

Oil once again, shows how much worse it is than nuclear.

jeffkrol · 03-11-2011, 10:58 AM

current safety standards/technology is fine. May I remind some that the Titanic was unsinkable.....

I try to err on the side that we're not infallible.

Second, barring the long reach of global warming making the entire planet inhabitable MOST energy disasters do not have half life's in the 1000's of years..
To me Chernobyl was an epiphany and sometimes "fate" only gives one warning...
One I don't choose to ignore or to think we have moved beyond it.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/fire-at-nuclear-power-plant-others-shut-down...-1226020092352
Stay tuned..........

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FUKUSHIMA (Kyodo)--The radiation level is rising in the building housing a turbine of the No. 1 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant following Friday's powerful earthquake, the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday.

The company also said monitoring data suggested the air pressure level has also soared inside the container of the reactor.

http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110311D11JF351.htm

Phil1 · 03-11-2011, 11:11 AM

No one has been killed in the west by a nuclear accident since 1945ish. The exception is the socialist/communist pi$$ poor designed reactor in Russia. I would suggest you research and track the deaths caused by petrolium and coal mining during the same period. Eleven or twelve alone were killed on the Gulf oil rig.

Far more bungee jumping left handed nuns have been killed than by western nukes.

03-11-2011, 07:47 AM	#1
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	another blow against nuclear power Staff note: This post may contain affiliate links, which means Pentax Forums may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. If you would like to support the forum directly, you may also make a donation here. Japan Orders Evacuation From Near Nuclear Plant After Quake - Businessweek Quote: People within 3 kilometers (2 miles) of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant were told to evacuate, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said in Tokyo today. Residents within 10 kilometers were told to stay indoors, said Ryohei Shiomi, a spokesman at the Emergency Information Center of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency. Emergency power supply at the 4,696-megawatt plant 210 kilometers north of Tokyo failed after the quake triggered automatic shutdowns of the reactors, officials at the trade ministry’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency told reporters without identifying themselves. Power is needed to keep cooling the reactor to prevent rising pressure and damage, they said. A battery, which can last about eight hours, is being used to cool the reactor for now, the agency officials said. Another six batteries have been secured, and the government may use military helicopters to fly them in, they said. It will never be "safe"...........

03-11-2011, 10:57 AM	#13
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	I'm on the side that the design of the plants proved how safe they are. The plants shut down automatically while the recent video out of Japan shows an oil refinery burning and exploding as well as a natural gas plant. Plus several of the videos show huge amounts of oil being pushed inland by the waters. Oil once again, shows how much worse it is than nuclear. Last edited by Peter Zack; 03-11-2011 at 11:19 AM.

03-11-2011, 10:58 AM	#14
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434 Original Poster	current safety standards/technology is fine. May I remind some that the Titanic was unsinkable..... I try to err on the side that we're not infallible. Second, barring the long reach of global warming making the entire planet inhabitable MOST energy disasters do not have half life's in the 1000's of years.. To me Chernobyl was an epiphany and sometimes "fate" only gives one warning... One I don't choose to ignore or to think we have moved beyond it. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/fire-at-nuclear-power-plant-others-shut-down...-1226020092352 Stay tuned.......... Quote: FUKUSHIMA (Kyodo)--The radiation level is rising in the building housing a turbine of the No. 1 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant following Friday's powerful earthquake, the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday. The company also said monitoring data suggested the air pressure level has also soared inside the container of the reactor. http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110311D11JF351.htm Last edited by jeffkrol; 03-11-2011 at 11:04 AM.

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03-11-2011, 08:30 AM	#2
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Seems to me this proves that it is safe. There was a problem and the reactor shut down as designed. It is not an inherent danger of nuclear power that they only saw fit to have only one battery available. The power plant is safe. It's whoever is responsible for there being only one battery on hand that is dangerous.

03-11-2011, 09:16 AM	#3
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434 Original Poster	Originally posted by Parallax Seems to me this proves that it is safe. There was a problem and the reactor shut down as designed. It is not an inherent danger of nuclear power that they only saw fit to have only one battery available. The power plant is safe. It's whoever is responsible for there being only one battery on hand that is dangerous. Where do I order a pair of them rosy colored glasses.... Considering how thick they are I bet there expensive.. Hope there "multi-coated" Don't like the glare from the "glow"..... Quote: Please respect FT.com's ts&cs and copyright policy which allow you to: share links; copy content for personal use; & redistribute limited extracts. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights or use this link to reference the article - FT.com / Asia-Pacific - Japan issues alert at quake-hit reactor Japanese nuclear plants have suffered earthquake damage before. Parts of the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa facility, the world’s largest nuclear power plant with seven reactors on the northwestern Japan Sea coast, remain closed after a 6.8-magnitude quake in 2007. A small amount of radioactive water was leaked in that incident. Friday’s tremor also damaged another plant further north on the Japanese pacific coast. Tohoku Electric said a turbine at its Onagawara facility had caught fire, but that the blaze had been extinguished and no radiation had leaked. The declaration of a nuclear emergency was the first under an 11-year old law that requires utilities to notify the public and the government immediately of potentially dangerous situations at atomic plants. The law was prompted in part by previous cover-ups of safety problems at nuclear facilities. Japan is also required under a series of nuclear safety conventions to notify the IAEA of early nuclear incidents. IAEA officials presume they are receiving little information at present because Japanese are busy responding to the incident. FT.com / Asia-Pacific - Japan issues alert at quake-hit reactor

03-11-2011, 09:35 AM	#4
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,554	As of the moment, while the plant is shut down, no radiation has leaked so it appears the backup power and safety measures are working for now. The fires from ruptured natural gas lines are killing people. My point? The power and technology that provides us the comfort we enjoy so much isn't really "safe" when natural disasters strike. We take far too much for granted. Our technology can quickly become our enemy when disaster strikes. Yes, there is potential for big trouble here but there is a price to pay for ALL power generation. Natural gas pipelines are exploding and burning. Dams can break. Coal and oil pollute our air every day no matter what. Transmission lines fall and start fires. Until we all decide we can live without electricity, we have to live with the risk.

03-11-2011, 09:50 AM	#5
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by jeffkrol Where do I order a pair of them rosy colored glasses.... GUCCI SUNGLASSES GG 2564/S Z8M 60X16 ORCHID LILAC ROSE on eBay!

03-11-2011, 09:56 AM	#6
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Originally posted by Parallax Seems to me this proves that it is safe. There was a problem and the reactor shut down as designed. It is not an inherent danger of nuclear power that they only saw fit to have only one battery available. The power plant is safe. It's whoever is responsible for there being only one battery on hand that is dangerous. I have to agree with you on this one. To survive an earthquake of this magnitude with no other issues is proof how well engineered and constructed the plant was. As for the power aspect, Honda makes great generators....

03-11-2011, 10:17 AM	#7
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Yep. I have an EU2000 myself. It's shame they don't have one there. It has a battery charge function.

03-11-2011, 10:25 AM	#8
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	Agree with Parallax on this one. The safety measures did their job.

03-11-2011, 10:27 AM	#9
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by Parallax Seems to me this proves that it is safe. There was a problem and the reactor shut down as designed. It is not an inherent danger of nuclear power that they only saw fit to have only one battery available. The power plant is safe. It's whoever is responsible for there being only one battery on hand that is dangerous. I tend to agree as well. How would offshore drilling platforms stand up to an earthquake? How about tanks of oil to run oil-fired plants? I guess the good news about global warming is that it puts the safety of all kinds of power into perspective.

03-11-2011, 10:33 AM	#10
clmonk Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Eastern TN Posts: 269	GeneV wrote: I guess the good news about global warming is that it puts the safety of all kinds of power into perspective. How so, Gene?? I am not tracking with you on this one??? Specifically I am not sure what global warming has to do with the topic at hand????

03-11-2011, 10:41 AM	#11
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by clmonk GeneV wrote: I guess the good news about global warming is that it puts the safety of all kinds of power into perspective. How so, Gene?? I am not tracking with you on this one??? Specifically I am not sure what global warming has to do with the topic at hand???? There is very little "safe" power once all emissions are taken into account. It is all relative. Nuclear poses some dangers but emissions are low.

03-11-2011, 10:48 AM	#12
clmonk Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Eastern TN Posts: 269	Ahhh...Gotcha! I understand now what you are saying. Thanks!

03-11-2011, 11:11 AM	#15
Phil1 Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,292	No one has been killed in the west by a nuclear accident since 1945ish. The exception is the socialist/communist pi$$ poor designed reactor in Russia. I would suggest you research and track the deaths caused by petrolium and coal mining during the same period. Eleven or twelve alone were killed on the Gulf oil rig. Far more bungee jumping left handed nuns have been killed than by western nukes.