Glenn Beck to end daily FOX show

Jasvox · 04-07-2011, 09:26 PM

The more truthful and accurate title of this thread should be " Fox to end daily Glenn Beck show".

From what I have read, it appears more like they are axing the program, not him leaving on his own volition. Maybe he and Palin will create a an uber-right party together. Somewhere in America there is a beer hall just waiting for a rousing orator to walk in.

Jason

JohnInIndy · 04-08-2011, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by shooz

How about the BIGGEST oxymoron of all?
Tea Party Patriots.

No. The biggest oxymoron would be "union workers"

GeneV · 04-08-2011, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by JohnInIndy

No. The biggest oxymoron would be "union workers"

Really? Have you been such? I worked my way through college and law school (thus subjecting me to one of your permanent signature insults) in both a union and non-union factory in Texas. In the Union shop we stacked box cars full of plastic garbage cans for 8 straight hours in the Texas heat, and did it vigorously because we knew we had a good job--better than most. If you could hang on, you could be promoted to forklift operator.

In the non-union shop, assembly line workers around me spent most of the day during the last summer I was there high as a kite from smoking marijuana just to get through their miserable day putting six screws each into an air conditioner with no hope of doing anything else. I was concerned to see them with tools in their hands.

These stereotypes are nonsense.

shooz · 04-08-2011, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by JohnInIndy

The biggest oxymoron would be "union workers"

You wouldn't know John.
You don't work.

designinme_1976 · 04-08-2011, 09:55 AM

In my limited experience of working directly with Union workers for the past 5 years at my current employer I disagree with this statement.

But, I do find quality union workers are the ones that don't need the union. The employees who constantly complain, constantly get written up; never go above and beyond are the ones who enjoy Union protection. The real workers are tired of paying dues, knowing they don't need the Union to keep their job, it only helps the deadbeats keep theirs.

Originally posted by JohnInIndy

No. The biggest oxymoron would be "union workers"

Nesster · 04-08-2011, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by designinme_1976

But, I do find quality union workers are the ones that don't need the union. The employees who constantly complain, constantly get written up; never go above and beyond are the ones who enjoy Union protection. The real workers are tired of paying dues, knowing they don't need the Union to keep their job, it only helps the deadbeats keep theirs.

If you're only talking about bare-bones, do I have a job or do I not have a job sort of binary, perhaps.

But consider, the complainers are everywhere, union or not. The union at least makes sure there's a due process, that the workers get better benefits and working conditions... If you deconstruct the corporate complaint, doesn't it sound like they want to treat the majority of employees based on the lowest common denominator: the complaining, malingering, work-shrinking, blame-laying employee. Sure, they will promote or pay the top 10%... it is after all a meritocracy. The union evens this out, to make sure the average employee is treated like a good worker.

I've seen this all along in my corporate life: only the 'go getters' - who often don't do their current job all that well, but are good at politicking and 'managing up', get the promotions and the rewards. The ones who only want to do their jobs, and do them well, get lumped in with those who don't do such a good job... in compensation and so on. And, much of this is at management's discretion - which we all know isn't all that great to begin with.

shooz · 04-08-2011, 10:31 AM

Remember, a union will represent a worker for 30yrs or more
I found that quite often a worker that got wrote up a few times was having some kind of personal problem.
Once that was resolved, things got back to normal for them.
Including their work life.
I hope you never experience a rough spot in your life.
Without a union you may just get fired, making your life even worse.

JohnInIndy · 04-11-2011, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by shooz

Remember, a union will represent a worker for 30yrs or more
I found that quite often a worker that got wrote up a few times was having some kind of personal problem.
Once that was resolved, things got back to normal for them.
Including their work life.
I hope you never experience a rough spot in your life.
Without a union you may just get fired, making your life even worse.

"Normal"? Their "normal" level of meet the quota average workmanship? Toyota makes a better car than any union car company. And I've owned both.

Shooz I've had many "rough" spots. Probably lost more money than you've ever made. But perseverance has made me all that back and more.

deadwolfbones · 04-11-2011, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by JohnInIndy

"Normal"? Their "normal" level of meet the quota average workmanship? Toyota makes a better car than any union car company. And I've owned both.

Shooz I've had many "rough" spots. Probably lost more money than you've ever made. But perseverance has made me all that back and more.

And so modest, too.

shooz · 04-11-2011, 08:18 AM

Everyone is not you John.
So then you would say others should just choke?
One of your problems with unions is you don't know the difference between engineering and manufacturing.
What American made car had a recall because of a worker assembly problem?
NONE!
Now, tell me about recalls from engineering problems.
You should give back all the money you've made from tax payers.

GeneV · 04-11-2011, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by shooz

Everyone is not you John.
So then you would say others should just choke?
One of your problems with unions is you don't know the difference between engineering and manufacturing.
What American made car had a recall because of a worker assembly problem?
NONE!
Now, tell me about recalls from engineering problems.
You should give back all the money you've made from tax payers.

True of Toyota, as well.

Toyota is also an interesting example regarding unions. There are many aspects of the Japanese model that provide the same benefits as unions. Employees aren't fired without cause, as they can be in the American "at-will" model. Companies provide everything from generous benefits to housing subsidies. American unions are what they are in part because of the companies with whom they negotiate.

Nesster · 04-11-2011, 09:05 AM

... but what does this have to do with the Caliphate? Shouldn't we be worrying instead about life in a Caliphate with nobody to warn us?

shooz · 04-11-2011, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

... but what does this have to do with the Caliphate? Shouldn't we be worrying instead about life in a Caliphate with nobody to warn us?

Sorry, I was out shopping for a sport burka for my wife.

04-08-2011, 06:53 AM	#18
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by JohnInIndy No. The biggest oxymoron would be "union workers" Really? Have you been such? I worked my way through college and law school (thus subjecting me to one of your permanent signature insults) in both a union and non-union factory in Texas. In the Union shop we stacked box cars full of plastic garbage cans for 8 straight hours in the Texas heat, and did it vigorously because we knew we had a good job--better than most. If you could hang on, you could be promoted to forklift operator. In the non-union shop, assembly line workers around me spent most of the day during the last summer I was there high as a kite from smoking marijuana just to get through their miserable day putting six screws each into an air conditioner with no hope of doing anything else. I was concerned to see them with tools in their hands. These stereotypes are nonsense. Last edited by GeneV; 04-08-2011 at 06:58 AM.

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04-07-2011, 09:26 PM	#16
Jasvox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,107	The more truthful and accurate title of this thread should be " Fox to end daily Glenn Beck show". From what I have read, it appears more like they are axing the program, not him leaving on his own volition. Maybe he and Palin will create a an uber-right party together. Somewhere in America there is a beer hall just waiting for a rousing orator to walk in. Jason

04-08-2011, 06:36 AM	#17
JohnInIndy Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 794	Originally posted by shooz How about the BIGGEST oxymoron of all? Tea Party Patriots. No. The biggest oxymoron would be "union workers"

04-08-2011, 08:22 AM	#19
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Originally posted by JohnInIndy The biggest oxymoron would be "union workers" You wouldn't know John. You don't work.

04-08-2011, 09:55 AM	#20
designinme_1976 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 132	In my limited experience of working directly with Union workers for the past 5 years at my current employer I disagree with this statement. But, I do find quality union workers are the ones that don't need the union. The employees who constantly complain, constantly get written up; never go above and beyond are the ones who enjoy Union protection. The real workers are tired of paying dues, knowing they don't need the Union to keep their job, it only helps the deadbeats keep theirs. Originally posted by JohnInIndy No. The biggest oxymoron would be "union workers"

04-08-2011, 10:27 AM	#21
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by designinme_1976 But, I do find quality union workers are the ones that don't need the union. The employees who constantly complain, constantly get written up; never go above and beyond are the ones who enjoy Union protection. The real workers are tired of paying dues, knowing they don't need the Union to keep their job, it only helps the deadbeats keep theirs. If you're only talking about bare-bones, do I have a job or do I not have a job sort of binary, perhaps. But consider, the complainers are everywhere, union or not. The union at least makes sure there's a due process, that the workers get better benefits and working conditions... If you deconstruct the corporate complaint, doesn't it sound like they want to treat the majority of employees based on the lowest common denominator: the complaining, malingering, work-shrinking, blame-laying employee. Sure, they will promote or pay the top 10%... it is after all a meritocracy. The union evens this out, to make sure the average employee is treated like a good worker. I've seen this all along in my corporate life: only the 'go getters' - who often don't do their current job all that well, but are good at politicking and 'managing up', get the promotions and the rewards. The ones who only want to do their jobs, and do them well, get lumped in with those who don't do such a good job... in compensation and so on. And, much of this is at management's discretion - which we all know isn't all that great to begin with.

04-08-2011, 10:31 AM	#22
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Remember, a union will represent a worker for 30yrs or more I found that quite often a worker that got wrote up a few times was having some kind of personal problem. Once that was resolved, things got back to normal for them. Including their work life. I hope you never experience a rough spot in your life. Without a union you may just get fired, making your life even worse.

04-11-2011, 05:56 AM	#23
JohnInIndy Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 794	Originally posted by shooz Remember, a union will represent a worker for 30yrs or more I found that quite often a worker that got wrote up a few times was having some kind of personal problem. Once that was resolved, things got back to normal for them. Including their work life. I hope you never experience a rough spot in your life. Without a union you may just get fired, making your life even worse. "Normal"? Their "normal" level of meet the quota average workmanship? Toyota makes a better car than any union car company. And I've owned both. Shooz I've had many "rough" spots. Probably lost more money than you've ever made. But perseverance has made me all that back and more.

04-11-2011, 07:14 AM	#24
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450 Original Poster	Originally posted by JohnInIndy "Normal"? Their "normal" level of meet the quota average workmanship? Toyota makes a better car than any union car company. And I've owned both. Shooz I've had many "rough" spots. Probably lost more money than you've ever made. But perseverance has made me all that back and more. And so modest, too.

04-11-2011, 08:18 AM	#25
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Everyone is not you John. So then you would say others should just choke? One of your problems with unions is you don't know the difference between engineering and manufacturing. What American made car had a recall because of a worker assembly problem? NONE! Now, tell me about recalls from engineering problems. You should give back all the money you've made from tax payers.

04-11-2011, 08:26 AM	#26
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by shooz Everyone is not you John. So then you would say others should just choke? One of your problems with unions is you don't know the difference between engineering and manufacturing. What American made car had a recall because of a worker assembly problem? NONE! Now, tell me about recalls from engineering problems. You should give back all the money you've made from tax payers. True of Toyota, as well. Toyota is also an interesting example regarding unions. There are many aspects of the Japanese model that provide the same benefits as unions. Employees aren't fired without cause, as they can be in the American "at-will" model. Companies provide everything from generous benefits to housing subsidies. American unions are what they are in part because of the companies with whom they negotiate.

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Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	... but what does this have to do with the Caliphate? Shouldn't we be worrying instead about life in a Caliphate with nobody to warn us?

04-11-2011, 09:16 AM	#28
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Originally posted by Nesster ... but what does this have to do with the Caliphate? Shouldn't we be worrying instead about life in a Caliphate with nobody to warn us? Sorry, I was out shopping for a sport burka for my wife.