[GeneV]

Why hasn't anybody brought up that they are still working on a FY 2011 budget, which should have been completed, signed into law, and in effect as of 1 Oct 10? (While the Democrats held all of the marbles)

Correction, Democrats did not hold all the marbles in October 2010. A filibuster-proof senate is an important marble they did not hold.

[Ratmagiclady]

Correction, Democrats did not hold all the marbles in October 2010. A filibuster-proof senate is an important marble they did not hold.

Attention span.

What were the GOP saying when they had simple majority, when Dems had simple majority, when they used constant filibuster to *move the goalposts and still whine about 'bipartisanship' when they killed all this time in human effort and suffering to *whine* to win half of what they wanted *anyway?* Then of course when they get a thin majority in one House or any given state house, try to start claiming 'Winner takes all' *again,* and blaming who, for *what they 'proudly' do themselves and tell everyone to blame someone else for...*

Diddlysquat, Jim.

And you know it.

[deadwolfbones]

"No one wants a government shutdown... it seems like liberals in the government would rather shut the government down so they could continue to borrow money to fund the largest abortion provider in America."

-Rep. Mike Pence, again

Can't believe they're still hammering on this.

PP doesn't fund any abortions using Federal dollars. There's a law against it.

So if the point of the rider isn't to prevent Federally-funded abortions, the point is to cripple PP so that they'll stop providing abortions in general. Abortion is legal in the United States.

This shit makes me want to tear my hair out.

[GeneV]

Attention span.

What were the GOP saying when they had simple majority, when Dems had simple majority, when they used constant filibuster to *move the goalposts and still whine about 'bipartisanship' when they killed all this time in human effort and suffering to *whine* to win half of what they wanted *anyway?* Then of course when they get a thin majority in one House or any given state house, try to start claiming 'Winner takes all' *again,* and blaming who, for *what they 'proudly' do themselves and tell everyone to blame someone else for...*

Diddlysquat, Jim.

And you know it.

Remember, the President proposed his budget in February of 2010. It could not get past the Republicans. He had to extend the Bush tax cuts just to get Republican agreement on continuing resolutions, starting with one in September of 2010.

[Parallax]

Attention span.

What were the GOP saying when they had simple majority, when Dems had simple majority, when they used constant filibuster to *move the goalposts and still whine about 'bipartisanship' when they killed all this time in human effort and suffering to *whine* to win half of what they wanted *anyway?* Then of course when they get a thin majority in one House or any given state house, try to start claiming 'Winner takes all' *again,* and blaming who, for *what they 'proudly' do themselves and tell everyone to blame someone else for...*

Diddlysquat, Jim.

And you know it.

Yes, I do know it. As I said earlier in the thread:

No argument there, Mike. I was trying to illustrate that it always seems to be "the other guy's" fault; regardless of who the other guy is.
They aren't acting, BTW. Anything just about any politician does is for the purpose of furthering his or her own career, acquiring more money, acquiring more power, or the ever popular "D, All of the Above".

My attention span is fine, BTW. Now what were we talking about...................................................................

[Ratmagiclady]

My attention span is fine, BTW. Now what were we talking about...................................................................

I think *exactly* what I was talking about is....

Is this what you wanted?


When you and others said what you did not too long ago?

Who is going to be listened to about it now, Jim?

Who gets to call these people up and say '*No,* that's not what I stumped for, Baggers.'

Me?

Or....

?


You *know* this is not as advertised.

You know it's not as *you* advertised.

You know it's contrary to everything you said about it being 'just about deficits' and you *know* they won't *take* the budget cuts and a billion more if it doesn't do exactly what I said it was about...


These Baggers and suddenly-helpless Republicans seem to think they have some kind of 'mandate' in these regards, *from you.*


You talk a lot about 'personal responsibility,' Jim. And allayall.

Take some.

Don't try and keep telling me this ain't what it is,

Pick up the Godsforsaken *phone.*

Tell *them* what you've been trying to tell *me.*

Is this what you want?

[mikemike]

'Tea Party'/GOP government shutdown looming

First of all, as has been pointed out this is Nancy Pelosi's fault for not taking care of business in Spring and Summer 2010 and instead deciding to live paycheck-to-paycheck or CR-to-CR. An FY2010 budget could have been passed by a democratic house, senate, and president.

Second of all, this is not a government shutdown. Vital services are still going to operate but all the flotsam of socialism and non-vital facilities will be shutdown. It might be a good time to observe what is missed and what is not. If it can be shutdown and no one cares, why are we borrowing money to fund it in the first place?

Why the Dems couldn't do it.
Can you say filibuster?

Its a free country so you can say whatever you want, but what you just said is total 100% unadulterated BS.

You can't filibuster a budget bill. If all the dems wanted to do was keep the exact same budget from FY2009 for 1 more year they could have done that with 51 votes in the senate when they had 58 seats. They could have cut $1 million from a pork barrel project and used budget reconciliation.

That is exactly why reconciliation is there.

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[shooz]

What part of record filibusters did you not understand?
Sure you don't want to blame it on Carter?

This impasse is at least 90% GOP/TPers responsibility.
Accept it.

[mikemike]

What part of record filibusters did you not understand?
Sure you don't want to blame it on Carter?

This impasse is at least 90% GOP/TPers responsibility.
Accept it.

What part of budget reconciliation don't you understand?

And don't act like the democrats were oblivious to this option...

The total savings can be small; for instance, last year the Democrats used reconciliation to pass a student-loan bill that saved $75 million, which is small potatoes compared with the overall budget but achieved meaningful reform for anyone attending college. No decision on reconciliation has been made yet, but it's safe to say that the debate is heating up.

Can You Filibuster a Budget Bill? And Other Pressing Questions | TPMDC

[Ratmagiclady]

Fault, fault, fault.



Pelosi? Really?

So, mikemike, I gather you *aren't* the much-vaunted 'will of the people,' then? That is to say, if this isn't what you *wanted,* along with being not at all what you *advertised....*

So. Personal responsibility, eh?

What do you want?

Speak it.


"What you wished for is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand." --Mr. Spock.

So there's no 'confusion.' As if I didn't hear you the first three times.

The GOP *is* just bullies, you know. When it all goes south or someone gets caught, 'It's your fault for not stopping us!'

Seriously, what is this, potty training? 'Bold revolutionaries?' So afraid of a 'nanny state' but you want us to what, wipe your ....policy for ya.

Pathetic.

You wanted to say this was about 'personal responsibility and government accountability. '

Your mess.

I call.

[shooz]

The part where a 30+ year tax break for people that don't need them has cripple the nation.
You missed that part.
Never responded.
And now as it comes to fruition you want to blame something...somebody....anything else.

[Ratmagiclady]

The part where a 30+ year tax break for people that don't need them has cripple the nation.
You missed that part.
Never responded.
And now as it comes to fruition you want to blame something...somebody....anything else.

Yeah, I notice the metaphors seem to have gone back from 'God' to 'guns' to 'shool bullying' to 'marbles' to... Well, Pampers at best.

You know I'm a loyal American like you read about, but half the reason I'm ready to bolt is just from around #3 in Rat's Rules To Live By: If Freud Applies, It's Time To Be Elsewhere.'

[GeneV]

First of all, as has been pointed out this is Nancy Pelosi's fault for not taking care of business in Spring and Summer 2010 and instead deciding to live paycheck-to-paycheck or CR-to-CR. An FY2010 budget could have been passed by a democratic house, senate, and president.

Second of all, this is not a government shutdown. Vital services are still going to operate but all the flotsam of socialism and non-vital facilities will be shutdown. It might be a good time to observe what is missed and what is not. If it can be shutdown and no one cares, why are we borrowing money to fund it in the first place?




Its a free country so you can say whatever you want, but what you just said is total 100% unadulterated BS.

You can't filibuster a budget bill. If all the dems wanted to do was keep the exact same budget from FY2009 for 1 more year they could have done that with 51 votes in the senate when they had 58 seats. They could have cut $1 million from a pork barrel project and used budget reconciliation.

That is exactly why reconciliation is there.

Not really that simple. Can You Filibuster a Budget Bill? And Other Pressing Questions | TPMDC

There was a budget resolution passed in the summer, but it was not binding.

So, you are saying the Dems should have just shoved a budget down the Repubs throat?

[Parallax]

I think *exactly* what I was talking about is....

Is this what you wanted?

What I want is for the damned politicians, of all flavors, to do the job we elected them to do instead of engaging in these never-ending saber rattling sessions.
If I get to choose, my headstone will say Don't vote for incumbents!

[mikemike]

Fault, fault, fault.

To be fair, you are the one who tried to assign blame in the first line of the OP. I said Pelosi because budget bills like this always have to start in the House and she controlled the house dems with an iron fist.

So, mikemike, I gather you *aren't* the much-vaunted 'will of the people,' then? That is to say, if this isn't what you *wanted,* along with being not at all what you *advertised....*

The GOP *is* just bullies, you know. When it all goes south or someone gets caught, 'It's your fault for not stopping us!'

Not really, the democrats are stopping the passage of the bill now since the house republicans have put forward a bill to fund the government for the rest of the year and the senate democrats haven't even tried to amend it and pass it the way they want so that it can go to conference.

If they passed a 1 year budget in 2010, the democrats could have claimed the 'will of the people,'
but given the fact that the newly elected officials campaigned on making drastic cuts like this and were still elected they have the power to claim in 2011 that the cuts are the 'will of the people.'

The democrats can't complain about getting teabagged, they basically opened their mouths and dared them. They had a chance last summer and they had a chance in the lame duck but they made the conscience decision to pass the reins of power to the "extremists." The thinking was that it would be political suicide for the republicans to try to pass budgets like they have been trying to pass for the past 2 months. Just the proposal of these "extreme" cuts would have americans protesting on the streets against the republicans. The republicans called their bluff and now instead of 10% cuts, there are going to be XX% (I don't think anyone has an accurate picture of how deeply the shutdown will cut) cuts via a shutdown.

If both sides cannot agree on a course of action before Dec. 3, when the current CR runs out, the federal government will be forced to shut down. The last time this happened was in the mid-1990s, when Republicans also found themselves in a strengthened position, and the resulting government shutdown rebounded against the party badly. This time, Republicans must decide if gaining more influence over the FY 2011 appropriations bills is worth a possible shutdown. The current sentiment, at least among Senate Republican leadership, seems to be leaning toward letting the FY 2011 bills go through and instead focusing their budget-cutting efforts on the FY 2012 budget process. It remains to be seen how the incoming class of fiscal conservatives feels about postponing a fiscal reckoning, but it is likely they will not be happy.

In Lame-Duck Session, Emboldened Republicans Face Tough Fiscal Choices | OMB Watch

This shutdown didn't sneak up on anyone in washington, especially not a democrat. Don't believe that it did for a second, its just another politician lying to you with a straight face.