[jeffkrol]

Already has been defined................

POOR, MIDDLE CLASS, and RETIRED or going to be RETIRED sometime people

JUST for fun............

While five likely candidates — Tim Pawlenty, Herman Cain, Ron Paul, Gary Johnson and Rick Santorum — took the stage at the Peace Center in Greenville S.C., Boehner was at Morton's Steakhouse in Washington, drinking cabernet and smoking cigarettes.

Boehner told CBS News that he planned to "read about it tomorrow."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54446.html#ixzz1LZp5JnKc

[ihasa]

I notice the right are already trying to make the Muslim Brotherhood into the next bogeyman - well... they might have a nugget of a point there - but they are trying to make the middle east pro-democracy uprisings as a whole into something we should be scared of. Which is nonsense.

[redrockcoulee]

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Never said it did. And that is what is known as a red herring argument.

Stick to the topic: being - some men are not just "essentially bad" but down right evil.

Our government even likes to name them as such, to wit, the Axis of Evil.

What the AoE had in common was no central bank controlled by the same people who control all developed nations', including the US', central banks.

You might start with those calling others evil to find the evil men of whom I am speaking.

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First of all you are not the king of what is allowed for one to say or not. Secondly you stated that your President was best friends with some a terrorist when his involvement with that individual was that they sat on a board together hence my post (please feel free to re-read . So not a red herring but a response to your accusations. Thirdly You did smear any one who was a Maxist with guilt by association.I personally knew someone who ran for the Canadian Maxist Party and she was a non violent person, and nicer than you as well. Fourthly I am aware that it was Barbara's little boy David that coined that phrase so it comes from a speech writer. Lastly the topic was Next Badman Bogeyman (according to the subject heading) not your latest drivel.

And please remain on topic if you response, the topic is will the Canucks finish off the Predators tomorrow night or some bogeyman thing but I do not think it was the thirty conspiracies of K7troll.

[ihasa]

I find it quite entertaining how he mixes his conspiracies - one minute it's the hidden corporate oligarchy, then it's some sort of marxist overthrow conspiracy.

[K7Man]

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First of all you are not the king of what is allowed for one to say or not.

You must have me mistaken for the other posters here who were calling for a ban on this "troll."

I find it quite entertaining ...

You are welcome.

For those of you who still don't think the US is a communist run country, it would do you good to review the Ten Planks of the Communist Party. The US embraces all ten, most of them for decades.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986);
Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.
We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Fedral Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .


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Bringing and implementing those Ten Planks in the United States took a conspiracy folks, it just didn't happen by chance.

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[Wheatfield]

So what you are saying in essence is that as soon as a government taxes its citizens in any way, shape or form in order to pay for something that is deemed of common benefit to all, it is automatically a communist government?

[redrockcoulee]

K7Troll

I was responding to the statements that you posted, not what other people posted about. If you do not wish to be association with your statements, that is very understandable.

[Ratmagiclady]

K7man? I've met people wearing *woks* on their heads cause Reynolds wrap literally wasn't enough, who had better cases for calling America 'Communist' than you do. And that cause they thought they were *not* in America.


I'll say to you like I once said to her, "Yes, Ma'am, they were very bad in that place, but this is Davis Square and we've got a whole different set of problems. Let's scoot. "

Far as I know, K7man, she had *reason* to be freaked about way past sense about Commies. It'd break your heart to know how *much.* Not much articulation about it. You? Not seeing it. Despite the names you bandy about.

And your little list there is a lie on at least the count that an estate tax somehow 'abolishes all rights of inheritance.' It does no such thing. 'Abolishing all rights of inheritance' is what you do to *LGBT people.* *Taxing* inheritance income is not the same as *denying* people our own joint property.

[K7Man]

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So what you are saying in essence is that as soon as a government taxes its citizens in any way, shape or form in order to pay for something that is deemed of common benefit to all, it is automatically a communist government?

That statement is what is known as a straw man.

- attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.

[SteveM]

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You must have me mistaken for the other posters here who were calling for a ban on this "troll."

You are welcome.

For those of you who still don't think the US is a communist run country, it would do you good to review the Ten Planks of the Communist Party. The US embraces all ten, most of them for decades.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986);
Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.
We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Fedral Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .


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Bringing and implementing those Ten Planks in the United States took a conspiracy folks, it just didn't happen by chance.

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Sounds like a "right to work" state to me.

Instead of the government, you have the multinational investment company to honor.

[SteveM]

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So what you are saying in essence is that as soon as a government taxes its citizens in any way, shape or form in order to pay for something that is deemed of common benefit to all, it is automatically a communist government?

That statement is what is known as a straw man.

- attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.

So what is your government provided hate on?

Fire departments?
Military?
Health Care?
Ambulance Services?
Schooling?
Police?


We should just lock up those buggers.....

Oh wait...justice and jails are a commie pinko scheme. Privatize those to Halliburton....or Kraft Foods to save mankind!!

[Nesster]

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So what you are saying in essence is that as soon as a government taxes its citizens in any way, shape or form in order to pay for something that is deemed of common benefit to all, it is automatically a communist government?

That statement is what is known as a straw man.

- attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.

What you posted was a straw man and calling someone's pointing that out a straw man is not exactly honest logic.

There's a difference between a government 'encroaching' on some ideal pure property rights and a government 'confiscating' all such property to be held, in common, by the government.

By a similar argument, one might say that a citizen being required to obey ANY law at all is a 'confiscation' of his/her liberties and thus shows that we are a police state.

These are spurious arguments and their main purpose is to inflame.

[shooz]

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

Cool!
If we become non-commies does that mean we can get kids to clean their rooms?
Or we could be just like Siapan or Somalia.
We don't need no stinkin' government, let alone an outcome from education.
What movie is this list from?

[Wheatfield]

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So what you are saying in essence is that as soon as a government taxes its citizens in any way, shape or form in order to pay for something that is deemed of common benefit to all, it is automatically a communist government?

That statement is what is known as a straw man.

- attacking an exaggerated or caricatured version of your opponent's position.

What did I exaggerate? Four of your nine talking points rail against taxation, the other five rail against things that are supported by taxation.
What I am seeing here is a person who is not making an intelligent case for himself sidestepping questions because he doesn't have answers beyond his jingoism.
Your position is a caricature.

[shooz]

Perhaps HE is the boogieman.

As Catfish Hodge once sang.

The Boogie man gonna get ya.