Originally posted by GeneV Your statement was way over the top as have been the summaries of what he said.
He did not say he would not pay social security. He said those checks were among the 70 million checks for which difficult "Sophie's Choice" decisions would be made, and that he could not guarantee that they would be paid. Should he, instead, reassure all Americans that a national default will have no effect on them?
The threat to SS is what the media picked up on and it is the message that has been hammered without a single objection from the administration or any democrats. He doesn't need to reassure everyone that everything will be peachy keen, but he should be (or at least have one of his top agents like Geithner) laying out exactly what Plan B is, who is affected, and how adversely they are affected. And it should be the real Plan B, not some political BS like saying SS would get cut off.
Obama's mention of SS was a desperate move by a desperate man made on a venue that targets senior citizens.
Originally posted by magkelly My point was there wouldn't BE a national default if we were not spending so much money elsewhere! As far as I am concerned Obama and the rest of the fat cat people who's wallets he seems so determined to protect can just take a huge pay cut and this country can stop paying out the war money NOW before they'll ever get to cheat my folks out of their livelihood. There are some things politically you just don't threaten to do. Cutting off the elderly, the vets, the people who depend upon SS most, that's just stupid and wrong, particularly when you have a war budget to maintain.
Mag, you can rest assured that SS is not threatened. Social Security's Plan B is explained in the statement that they send out every year. In sum, projections say that under the current law the benefits will exceed the revenues and the trust fund (which includes principal and interest on the debt) will be exhausted in 2037 and at that point SS will reduce benefits to the amount that is sustained by revenues. In 2037 that amount is $0.73 on the dollar of promised benefits will be paid to people still collecting then.
If this plan B were implemented last year, Plan B would have paid out more than $0.99 on the dollar. If it were implemented next month because principal and interest on social security trust fund payments were not available to cover the revenue shortfall that plan B should be still be paying out ~$0.98 on the dollar. A slight cut but nothing catastrophic.
Originally posted by Nesster The checks will be printed, but will the mail be delivered? You know how these union thugs get...
Direct Deposit will still work.
Originally posted by deadwolfbones It's not a threat. It's a statement of fact. And it's not something Obama wants to do
Just like its not a wife beater's fault that he hits his wife. She should have done the dishes, but now look what she made him do.