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07-17-2011, 09:20 AM   #1
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IT'S OFFICIAL: The Whole World Thinks Republicans Are Dangerous Maniacs

IT'S OFFICIAL: The Whole World Thinks Republicans Are Dangerous Maniacs Threatening Everyone

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The US is holding the entire world hostage, and it's the Republicans that are playing with fire.

Hard to accuse the Germans (who are no fans of fiscal profligacy) of being motivated by politics, or of having some inherent reason to attack Republicans. This is just the reality of what they're doing.


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The World from Berlin: 'The US Is Holding the Whole World Hostage' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
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The conservative Die Welt writes:

"In this period of competing debt crises, America and Europe are looking at each other in amazement, with each side understanding less and less about what is happening on the other side of the Atlantic. While Europe's chaos is obvious to the Europeans and the rest of the world, there are few signs of self-doubt or self-awareness in the US. In the middle of the poker game between the two political parties to prevent a national default on Aug. 2, polls show that 77 percent of Americans believe that they live in the world's greatest system of government. Just as many are convinced that life is only worth living as an American."

"Democrats and Republicans are so hopelessly embroiled in a religious war that compromise and pragmatism are just dreams from a far-off era of reason. … The influence of the Tea Party movement … can not be overestimated. … The movement sees traditional politics as corrupt and regards Washington as a den of iniquity. … They see the other side as their enemy. Negotiations with the Democrats, whether it's about appointing a judge or the insolvency of the United States, are only successful if the enemy is defeated. Compromise, they feel, is a sign of weakness and cowardice."
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Must be important!!!!!!
Third time it's been posted.
Luckily, or not, it's just the republican, teabagger, libetarian, conservative faction that's doing it.
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71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis

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Approval drops to 31 percent for the Democrats in Congress, and only 21 percent of the people surveyed said they approved of Republicans' handling of the negotiations, while 71 percent disapprove.

Even half of the Republican respondents (51 percent) voiced disapproval of how members of their own party in Congress are handling the talks. Far fewer Democrats expressed disapproval of their own party's handling (32 percent) or President Obama's (22 percent) of the urgent quest to raise the nation's debt limit ahead of a looming default on Aug. 2 if action isn't taken.
Poll: 71% shun GOP handling of debt crisis - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

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QuoteOriginally posted by shooz Quote
Luckily, or not, it's just the republican, teabagger, libetarian, conservative faction that's doing it.
Really? There is a new poll out this morning that shows only 21% of people approve of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling the issue, but only 31% approve of the Democrats.
There are no clean hands in Washington; just different degrees of grime.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Parallax Quote
Really? There is a new poll out this morning that shows only 21% of people approve of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling the issue, but only 31% approve of the Democrats.
There are no clean hands in Washington; just different degrees of grime.
Outside of the U.S. opinions are a bit different on there being even a hint of a default. I suspect the fear is that politics over which they have no vote or control will bring their economies down. (Again?)

That seems to be spinning the same poll, just emphasizing the approval of Dems. The recent poll is very instructive because of the 71% disapproval (21% approval) of Republicans. That means disapproval is cutting deep into the ranks of conservatives. There are usually about 33% party die hards who will approve of anything. It is also curious that Republican disapproval (71%) is a larger portion of those not approving than for Democrats (68%). 67% want there to be tax increases for the wealthy in the package. Polling is a funny thing. There is a lot of overlap in these responses.

As usual, Nate Silver's take is a little bit enlightening. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/nobody-wins-the-debt-default-blame-game/ The comparison to the WOPAR computer in War Games seems appropriate. No one wins.

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Outside of the U.S. opinions are a bit different on there being even a hint of a default. I suspect the fear is that politics over which they have no vote or control will bring their economies down. (Again?)

That seems to be spinning the same poll, just emphasizing the approval of Dems. The recent poll is very instructive because of the 71% disapproval (21% approval) of Republicans. That means disapproval is cutting deep into the ranks of conservatives. There are usually about 33% party die hards who will approve of anything. It is also curious that Republican disapproval (71%) is a larger portion of those not approving than for Democrats (68%). 67% want there to be tax increases for the wealthy in the package. Polling is a funny thing. There is a lot of overlap in these responses.

As usual, Nate Silver's take is a little bit enlightening. Nobody Wins the Debt Default Blame Game - NYTimes.com The comparison to the WOPAR computer in War Games seems appropriate. No one wins.
Thanks.. forgot about 538.. Good stuff.
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We are nowhere near the point of the weaker countries in the Eurozone. There are no rioters on the streets of DC like you saw in Athens as austerity measures were passed there. If we keep kicking the can down the road and increasing people's dependence upon the federal government, there will be the next time.

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We are nowhere near the point of the weaker countries in the Eurozone. There are no rioters on the streets of DC like you saw in Athens as austerity measures were passed there. If we keep kicking the can down the road and increasing people's dependence upon the federal government, there will be the next time.
Greece = Louisiana in an economic sense and is being blackmailed by the banks...
They have every reason to riot...........

When they went to the Euro they gave up their money sovereignty.. bad move, especially since Goldman cooked their books..........
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The GOP is going to use the Keystone Pipeline in the next ellection. They will stae that Obama has no regard for state's rights if the pipeline is built and blame him for killing jobs when it's not, at a time when jobs are needed. Then if they get into the White House, they will approve the deat and take credit for it. All parties blame each other. what is needed, is a unified economic policy, not democracy.
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Ain't propaganda fun?

Keep in mind one of the main backers are the Koch Bros.
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Really? There is a new poll out this morning that shows only 21% of people approve of the way the Republicans in Congress are handling the issue, but only 31% approve of the Democrats.
There are no clean hands in Washington; just different degrees of grime.

Who said that the 'Bagger/Republican faction was even representing *Republican* people? They ignore their *own* when it conflicts with their corporate/Religious Right... look at them still wanting to spend hundreds of millions and a lot of time defending/now trying to reinstate DADT despite there being near 80 percent in favor of open and fair service, and despite the fact that even opposing marriage equality is a less-than-majority position.

They still claim they have a 'mandate' to be extreme-Right just because the Dems pissed off *their* constituency *for* not standing up to that Right. *Enough.*

No, they don't represent even Republicans. (Or former Republicans like yourself, thus making you a 'former Repubilcan.') That's the point.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikemike Quote
If we keep kicking the can down the road and increasing people's dependence upon the federal government, there will be the next time.
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When they went to the Euro they gave up their money sovereignty.. bad move, especially since Goldman cooked their books..........
Doesn't this emphasize the article that newarts pointed out?

Should people be able to live off of the tax base through government? I don't think so unless there is a damn good reason for it. Even in "socialist Canada" (at least in BC), you won't qualify for assistance unless you can prove you have been out looking for work for at least 6 hours a day, provide contact information for those that have interviewed you for a job position, etc. I'm sure there are examples of abuse, but at least it is structured to help those that are helping themselves.

As far are Wall street, banking etc, should people get away with insider trading, the mortgage fiasco, etc? Of course not.

It seems that both sides are trying to excuse problems specific to their ideology by pointing at issues that the other side has.
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Doesn't this emphasize the article that newarts pointed out?

Should people be able to live off of the tax base through government? I don't think so unless there is a damn good reason for it. Even in "socialist Canada" (at least in BC), you won't qualify for assistance unless you can prove you have been out looking for work for at least 6 hours a day, provide contact information for those that have interviewed you for a job position, etc. I'm sure there are examples of abuse, but at least it is structured to help those that are helping themselves.

As far are Wall street, banking etc, should people get away with insider trading, the mortgage fiasco, etc? Of course not.

It seems that both sides are trying to excuse problems specific to their ideology by pointing at issues that the other side has.

Part of the problem trying to compare Canada to the US, is that Canada isn't as ruthlessly-capitalist in the first place, ..you take better care of your people, for one, rather than squeezing more and more *out* of work, even if they're able, as is done here in the US. Just your health care there would mean that even someone as ill as myself could probably work a little without it becoming a really 'bad risk' or 'uncompetitive,' or whatnot. The US system is all about trying to make fewer people get less for working the equivalent of two or three jobs just to pay off the same people you work for, then resent the fact that we have social *insurance* that's supposed to mean you don't have to fear utter destitution if you *can't* keep up.


Most of the public assistance we *have* in America is in fact very like an insurance policy and economic buffer on labor costs that we all pay into *in case* we find we or a loved one just can't keep up.

I think it was that if I'd only been able to stay employed a few more weeks, before I (Well, basically got fired for not convertin to the bosses' religion, really, come down to it, if we're talking FICA contributiuons) I'd actually have been a lot better off all along. People getting moralistic about it, like everyone's a 'bum' if they can't be making a fortune off everyone else... is exactly the kind of moralistic BS that ignores the very thing we all pay for.

Social security. Yes, even a 'safety net,' ...cause the point of a 'safety net' isn't about the corporations closing down our towns and then getting indignant if they can't have their pick of minimum-wage workers.... (Hel, we can even absorb a lot more bigots if they don't also get to raise the *stakes* and reduce the *payouts* even for those they 'approve of' so much at the same time. ) In this little capitalist game, a safety net is there so *everyone* can take a few risks. Even the ones that we don't get choices about. Even the Young Republicans never know if they're gonna come up snakeyes in the 'Perfectly healthy' game of craps. They could find out they have Parkinsons or MS tomorrow. .... And then where would their ideology leave them?

(Hel, even my older sister who always leaned pretty conservative has the same shit I do, (Cause we were exposed to the same under-regulated pharmaceuticals: it just came later for her. Probably the only difference *is* that she's theoretically-straight, always was more status-conscious, and got about twenty years of working her butt off amid bad marriages before it even *got* that bad. With great irony, I mention *I* was the independent one. I paid for that, too. *I* was the one out there on my own, workin hard, playin by the rules, only to have my little life torn apart cause you *just couldn't make the numbers work out.* (My sister also got a diagnosis in a *heartbeat* the minute it started showing, not that that ever made her independent or will let her work *now.* If you're poor, yeah, they'll tell you a broken hand is 'all in your head' if they can't bill for the X-rays. Really. I'd be *dead* if I hadn't been chanced across by a still-idealistic intern who taught me about 'adrenal crisis.' )

This is why we have a *society* if we want to play capitalism. (And don't get me wrong: I like capitalism, if Mom And Pop and me get to play. It's just a Godsforsaken poor excuse for a religion, as the cons play it here. No matter how much damage they do. ) It's *not* a 'free market' if it's the aristo's private property. It's just a company-town trying to not look too feudal.

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