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07-18-2011, 06:40 AM   #1
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TSA can dish it out but they can't take it...

A 61 year old female was charged with felony assault for groping a TSA screener.

Woman accused of groping TSA agent

Sounds like she went a bit overboard, but face it... How many of us have thought of doing the same thing after they grope us. Afterall, if they get to feel us up we should get to feel them up!

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It would probably slow the line down quite a bit if we had every search turn into a gropefest by both parties.

FWIW, the TSA folks down here are some of the nicest I've run into in the world.
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Good luck finding a jury that will convict on that one.
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Oh I know Gene... Many of them understand how humiliating the procedures are but they are as trapped as we are... Trouble is, much like some police officers exceed their authority, a certain percentage of TSA employees do so as well... And like anything else, the only thing you tend to hear about is the negative...

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Looks like Mrs Miyamae has become a bit of a "cause célèbre" and the government has chosen to drop the charges and not prosecute her.

Internet rallies around flier accused of groping TSA agent
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QuoteOriginally posted by MRRiley Quote
and the government has chosen to drop the charges and not prosecute her.
I would have bet on that.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MRRiley Quote
A 61 year old female was charged with felony assault for groping a TSA screener.

Woman accused of groping TSA agent

Sounds like she went a bit overboard, but face it... How many of us have thought of doing the same thing after they grope us. Afterall, if they get to feel us up we should get to feel them up!

Mike
I have to admit that I have never thought of that, but I think Granny there wins, anyway.

I have enough trouble explaining push-processing when asking for hand inspection of film, never mind trading hand-inspections of anything else.

Maybe there's a joke in there somewhere, maybe like, 'Listen, honey, if I have to shoot slow *film* over this, hasty foreplay is right out...'

(I'll work on it. )


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I never understood the problem. I ask if I can go through the line again.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ratmagiclady Quote
(I'll work on it. )
Or maybe - - -
"If I show you mine will you show me yours?"
Or maybe - - -
"You go first and I'll match everything you do."
Or maybe - - -
"Oh let's not bother with that x-ray crap - here LOOK."

Then of course there is the possibility of this headline - - -
"Great granny aged 91 arrested for flashing TSA agent."
Or
"Great grand dad aged 91 arrested for
flashing TSA agent, magnifying glass confiscated."

Sorry folks, it is hot and boring here in NJ
and the heat did not really hit us yet.
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there are certain number of TSA employees that feel they are above the law. the sad thing is the lack of inquiry and investigation done if such maltreatment is done on the victim. on the worst side of things, they are just ignored by their superiors. so unless the public themselves do some action, the kind of malpractice would just fall on deaf ears or go unnoticed. there should be a guideline on how far such authority is given to TSA officials without having to violate the individual human rights and not subject to coercion, which is nasty. having said that, the TSA is not that bad in comparison with France's airport security protocol which I personally say to be too much for an unsuspecting victim.

as far as committing blunders on the part of the TSA, the least they could do is to issue apologies or make it a necessity inorder to prevent public backlash or loss of confidence of the public on them, not to mention bad reputation.

aside from that, TSA personnel should also be trained on certain scenarios which they are not accustomed to. a necessity that an interpreter should always be present in the event that an individual doesn't comprehend the language or a medical expert in the event that certain individuals suffer a condition which may cause a misinterpretation as a security threat. also, courtesy is necessary as well. it's not like everyone is a terrorist, but rather they should practice caution and preventive measures without having to cross the line. I think it is also necessary that punishments are rendered to certain TSA agents that have violated certain individual rights. video recording is a necessity to show proof or as a reference.
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the sad thing is the lack of inquiry and investigation done if such maltreatment is done on the victim. on the worst side of things, they are just ignored by their superiors
I don't think they are nearly as worried about it as they used to be when they were private contractors and had to bid on the job. It's a government operation now, they know they have the gig.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MRRiley Quote
Oh I know Gene... Many of them understand how humiliating the procedures are but they are as trapped as we are... Trouble is, much like some police officers exceed their authority, a certain percentage of TSA employees do so as well... And like anything else, the only thing you tend to hear about is the negative...

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'Just doing my job' has been the justification that many have used for obeying commands which have deprived so many of liberty throughout time.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
there are certain number of TSA employees that feel they are above the law. the sad thing is the lack of inquiry and investigation done if such maltreatment is done on the victim.

Just to point this out: despite a lot coming out about both abuses and even whole offices being *horribly* bigoted toward LGBT people, ...*most* TSA people I've ever encountered were highly professional and even sympathetic to the plight of various passengers and all, the only *bad* experience I ever actually had (apart from the threats of full-body scans and groping itself, which we didn't in fact encounter on our last trip, but which I wouldn't want to face under travel stress cause of certain bad experiences in my past, and general anxieties folks like me live with daily anyway,) ...the only actual bad experience actually was someone overstressed by a busy day who didn't understand you could have film hand-inspected on request, even if it is labeled under ISO (....800, was it?)

...Intrusive and abuseable policies aside, most *actual* TSA people I've encountered have been sensible, professional, and even friendly. And the 'rent-a-cop' factor's usually pretty low, (I grew up around police, and a lot of private security couldn't make the cut, precisely cause they were too belligerent, even among gung-ho rookies: this doesn't seem to be the case with many TSA people. I can read people pretty well, and to my experience, these folks can tell the difference between 'someone up to no good' and 'someone suppressing an anxiety attack' pretty well, generally. They must get it a lot. And that may be a better security solution than more-intrusive machines. The people. (and maybe chemical-sniffers or... how bout *doggies, already?*) I'm favorably-impressed with most of the people, though I've read about lots of the abuses. )
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Or maybe - - -
"If I show you mine will you show me yours?"
Or maybe - - -
"You go first and I'll match everything you do."
Or maybe - - -
"Oh let's not bother with that x-ray crap - here LOOK."

Then of course there is the possibility of this headline - - -
"Great granny aged 91 arrested for flashing TSA agent."
Or
"Great grand dad aged 91 arrested for
flashing TSA agent, magnifying glass confiscated."

Sorry folks, it is hot and boring here in NJ
and the heat did not really hit us yet.
This is one of the things that's become strange to me, you know, about the culture I've lived among: it's not *even* the exposure that bothers me, it's the idea of exposing myself to people who *sexualize nudity* so much.

I really don't care whether or not I see the TSA agent nude or not... That'd be even weirder in that sort of context. This is kind of about *boundaries,* whether it's 'justified by orders' or 'Them showing theirs would balance it' or not.

A lot of these policies are about breaking those boundaries cause people are afraid someone will use them to cause horrible things to happen. The weird part for us isn't the possibility of someone exploiting those tabooes to try and perfect explosive undies, it's kind of about how that fear is used to make everyone *submit* to those boundary violations cause of that fear, see?

Come to think of it, this is exactly *why* it's a "Granny Win." An elder lady does something like that, she's considered *exempt* from just such 'ulterior motives.' She's making a point.

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Just to point this out: despite a lot coming out about both abuses and even whole offices being *horribly* bigoted toward LGBT people, ...*most* TSA people I've ever encountered were highly professional and even sympathetic to the plight of various passengers and all, the only *bad* experience I ever actually had (apart from the threats of full-body scans and groping itself, which we didn't in fact encounter on our last trip, but which I wouldn't want to face under travel stress cause of certain bad experiences in my past, and general anxieties folks like me live with daily anyway,) ...the only actual bad experience actually was someone overstressed by a busy day who didn't understand you could have film hand-inspected on request, even if it is labeled under ISO (....800, was it?)

...Intrusive and abuseable policies aside, most *actual* TSA people I've encountered have been sensible, professional, and even friendly. And the 'rent-a-cop' factor's usually pretty low, (I grew up around police, and a lot of private security couldn't make the cut, precisely cause they were too belligerent, even among gung-ho rookies: this doesn't seem to be the case with many TSA people. I can read people pretty well, and to my experience, these folks can tell the difference between 'someone up to no good' and 'someone suppressing an anxiety attack' pretty well, generally. They must get it a lot. And that may be a better security solution than more-intrusive machines. The people. (and maybe chemical-sniffers or... how bout *doggies, already?*) I'm favorably-impressed with most of the people, though I've read about lots of the abuses. )
I believe the same as well. I personally was subject to such airport security interrogation quite a few times. this happened however not in the U.S. but other particular countries with certain security protocols. the 1st one wasn't really an interrogation per se but rather I was not allowed to proceed in the airport cafeteria with some baggage because I wasn't really the one traveling. my mother had to plead the case and the security was reasonable enough to understand that I wasn't a terrorist since why would a family be involved in such a heinous act and thereby let me in after 5 mins.

the other interrogation came as more of a protocol and it only took about a few minutes to get me done. the TSA agent was very pleasant and kid around, not to mention was amazed by my name since it was catchy. another one, was just the same and was part of the security protocol.

although one unforgettable nerve-wracking experience I had was when I was subjected to a more thorough interrogation because the visa officer (that female canine) that can't even speak proper English spoke to me in a confusing manner and hastily acted like she was some sort of a police who just caught a criminal, sent me to an interrogation chamber where a specialist was waiting for me. I wasn't subjected to physical examination but I did undergo the nerve-wracking question and answer. not to mention that the agent was studying my behavior/demeanor at the same time as the agent was slowly going and looking after my things and documents that I was carrying on my suitcase. it is evident that the agent was looking for any signs of discomfort on my part that may show I might be hiding something. although that was my first time, I was trained to kept my cool. I would say that such behavioral analysis can be flawed as well can mistook some people with parkinson's to nervousness. there are instances that these type of misjudgement occurred in airports, and the TSA agent can really be mistaken as I myself mistook a fella with such condition as well. but anyway, as far as my interrogation went, I'd say the only thing that made my interrogation end was when the agent inquired about the restored and sealed full-sized portrait photo of my mother on my belongings, asked on who she was. the agent smiled and the tension eased in the interrogation room from then on and had me dismissed immediately. I spent about 15-20 minutes in that room and could had spent an hour or more if not for that photo. and I hated that canine eversince.

my wife's personal experience (I wasn't involve in this scenario but her own) on the otherhand went on a customary interrogation process. the TSA agents took her from the usual routine security protocol because she arrived at the airport on a government official's vehicle (don't ask what and why). she said the interrogation process took about 30 minutes but was rather an inquiry oriented rather than thorough one. the good thing is that they didn't check/scanned her bags and luggage after that but rather gave her an entry pass immediately. I'd say her experience was more of a privilege.
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