Tonight's Presidential Speech

jeffkrol · 07-26-2011, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by seacapt

Well since you wnat to play just for fun
‪Are you kidding me‬&rlm; - YouTube

or how about this one
‪The United States Debt Limit Explained - (CR) Heritage Foundation‬&rlm; - YouTube

The day you understand that we could scale the military back to 1/10 it's size I'll pay attention..
Of course there must be some reasons we have so many enemies since we are such a "nice" country...........

And since I'll never have access to a corporate jet I could give a rats backside if they are taxed or not.....but sure seems stupid (since the underlying American principal is anytime money changes hands someone wants a cut, whether they deserve it or not) not to tax it.............

The second one is ,at best, kindergarten fiction......... see Japan.

I prefer my kindergarten story..............

http://mq.academia.edu/FrankAshe/Papers/132778/Kindergarten_guide_to_Modern_...nomics_-_Day_1

Last edited by jeffkrol; 07-26-2011 at 08:56 PM.

shooz · 07-26-2011, 08:53 PM

Guy #1 watches way too much FLAKESnews.
Just like them he forgot completely about the result of 8 years of Bush and republican legislation. Not surprising he feels this way. Not to mention a HARD focus on supply side economics since the 12 years we spent under republican legislation under, Reagan/Bush.
That makes 20 years of it out of the last 30.
The strongest economy during those 30 years was under the guy I'm sure you refer to as Slick Willie.
Strange that he didn't remember all that.
Strange that he could only remember the name of one republican too.
Any questions?

#2?????????????????????????
The heritage foundation?
HA HA HA
They helped put us in this mess.
They continue to continue it.
Who did you say funds them?

Strange that guy #1 didn't notice that either.

Did you?

Workingdog · 07-27-2011, 10:18 AM

Funny, but I thought the speech was extremely tired, lame, and predictable.

Speech formula:
Blame Bush
Blame Republicans
Blame the "rich"
Threaten elderly
Threaten veterans
Last resort; quote Ronald Reagan

shooz · 07-27-2011, 10:25 AM

Yes, except they ARE the ones who put the world in this position.
So, don't admit to how it happened?

Any questions?

Workingdog · 07-27-2011, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by shooz

Yes, except they ARE the ones who put the world in this position.
So, don't admit to how it happened?

Any questions?

And the past several years of Democratic control have not put us even deeper into this mess instead of putting the brakes on the out of control Govt. spending? No, let's just continue what we've been doing and hope for a better outcome. The American taxpayers pockets cannot continue to be viewed as a bottomless source of revenue for the Govt's overspending ways.

Instead of sounding like a broken record for the past 3 years, how about some leadership Mr. President.

jeffkrol · 07-27-2011, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Workingdog

And the past several years of Democratic control have not put us even deeper into this mess instead of putting the brakes on the out of control Govt. spending? No, let's just continue what we've been doing and hope for a better outcome. The American taxpayers pockets cannot continue to be viewed as a bottomless source of revenue for the Govt's overspending ways.

Instead of sounding like a broken record for the past 3 years, how about some leadership Mr. President.

It's hard herding cats....................

WE do have a multiple tier gov...............

Workingdog · 07-27-2011, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by jeffkrol

It's hard herding cats....................

WE do have a multiple tier gov...............

Bingo!!! Both parties s*uck. I happen to agree with the basic ideology of the Republicans (which, unfortunately they don't follow) and I disagree with the basic ideology of the Democrats (which they DO follow)

JohnInIndy · 07-27-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by shooz

Guy #1 watches way too much FLAKESnews.
Just like them he forgot completely about the result of 8 years of Bush and republican legislation. Not surprising he feels this way. Not to mention a HARD focus on supply side economics since the 12 years we spent under republican legislation under, Reagan/Bush.
That makes 20 years of it out of the last 30.
The strongest economy during those 30 years was under the guy I'm sure you refer to as Slick Willie.
Strange that he didn't remember all that.
Strange that he could only remember the name of one republican too.
Any questions?

#2?????????????????????????
The heritage foundation?
HA HA HA
They helped put us in this mess.
They continue to continue it.
Who did you say funds them?

Strange that guy #1 didn't notice that either.

Did you?

So in 2006 the house didn't go liberal? And in 2000 the senate liberals the majority by one vote when Jeffords went independent yet caucused with the dems. Or did that not happen?

Remember also that the economy was strong during Clinton but we also had a Conservative house not a liberal one as we had last major election. Just shows what a liberal house can destroy when it has a liberal president also.

Remember we did have a decent economy after downturn of 9-11. Didn't really go south until liberals took over.

JohnInIndy · 07-27-2011, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Workingdog

And the past several years of Democratic control have not put us even deeper into this mess instead of putting the brakes on the out of control Govt. spending? No, let's just continue what we've been doing and hope for a better outcome. The American taxpayers pockets cannot continue to be viewed as a bottomless source of revenue for the Govt's overspending ways.

Instead of sounding like a broken record for the past 3 years, how about some leadership Mr. President.

First we would have to explain what that means.

GeneV · 07-27-2011, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by JohnInIndy

So in 2006 the house didn't go liberal? And in 2000 the senate liberals the majority by one vote when Jeffords went independent yet caucused with the dems. Or did that not happen?

Remember also that the economy was strong during Clinton but we also had a Conservative house not a liberal one as we had last major election. Just shows what a liberal house can destroy when it has a liberal president also.

Remember we did have a decent economy after downturn of 9-11. Didn't really go south until liberals took over.

Please tell me what bills the house of representatives or senate can pass without the president or the other house. I suppose the Dems in the house could have held up the debt ceiling and extracted concessions from the senate and the president at the point of an economic gun, but I don't recall that happening.

newarts · 07-27-2011, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Workingdog

And the past several years of Democratic control have not put us even deeper into this mess instead of putting the brakes on the out of control Govt. spending? No, let's just continue what we've been doing and hope for a better outcome. The American taxpayers pockets cannot continue to be viewed as a bottomless source of revenue for the Govt's overspending ways.

Instead of sounding like a broken record for the past 3 years, how about some leadership Mr. President.

The president has used up a lot of political capital by doing what he promised - trying to work in a bi-partisan manner. At every step of the way the opposition has thwarted that goal. He has gone way beyond the desires of his party in pandering to the opposition when it pretends to cooperate.

The opposition's goal has not been to incrementally further their constituent's interests but to hurt the president (and the country) in the short run so they can blame him to gain power in the long run.

If only we could rewind the future, I'd like to see him publicly hand the keys to Boehner, stand back, & let him drive with full coverage of the resulting chaos and crash.

I'm afraid that any agreement with concessions regarding revenues will be insufficient to ward off a major crash which will then be used by the opposition to claim they were hamstrung by the concessions.

Let them choke on their poisoned apple.

Nesster · 07-27-2011, 01:44 PM

In that context, a Hillary presidency would have been interesting in a different, but yet the same, way.

redrockcoulee · 07-27-2011, 01:57 PM

Liberals in control of either of the house or the White House. Soon you will have Cantor labelled as a ultra socialist or communist. Clinton is a moderate conservative as is Obama.

If I am not mistaken Obaman had already given the Republicans concessions of tax cuts for the rich previously and now they only cuts to the budget, I wonder if the next bill that he wants passed will require more cuts to spending and taxes and the next bill more cuts and tax cuts etc.

Some think that the government should just let the poor die and the rich get richer. Traditional conservatism did not believe that so throwing all the 'blame' on social safety net on your so called left should not be historically accurate either.

Eliminate all social safety net programs and see what happens.

jeffkrol · 07-27-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by redrockcoulee

Liberals in control of either of the house or the White House. Soon you will have Cantor labelled as a ultra socialist or communist. Clinton is a moderate conservative as is Obama.

If I am not mistaken Obaman had already given the Republicans concessions of tax cuts for the rich previously and now they only cuts to the budget, I wonder if the next bill that he wants passed will require more cuts to spending and taxes and the next bill more cuts and tax cuts etc.

Some think that the government should just let the poor die and the rich get richer. Traditional conservatism did not believe that so throwing all the 'blame' on social safety net on your so called left should not be historically accurate either.

Eliminate all social safety net programs and see what happens.

“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”
Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants".
Thomas Jefferson

shooz · 07-27-2011, 02:57 PM

How much did you conteabepublitarians say Haliburton is under contract for?
Last I heard a guy doing laundry for the military in Afganistan makes about $80K.
How much the average GI?
And you bozos want to tax retirees and end SS to pay for it?
You expect me to think you're a patriot?

I have yet to hear ONE of you demanding blood from the extortionists on wallstreet.
Not one of you.
You act like.....no big deal just a bunch of trillions. Must be Obama done it.
We MUST extract billions from the poor, after all the rich folks won't pay it.
FOOLS!!!!!!!

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07-26-2011, 08:46 PM	#16
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by seacapt Well since you wnat to play just for fun ‪Are you kidding me‬&rlm; - YouTube or how about this one ‪The United States Debt Limit Explained - (CR) Heritage Foundation‬&rlm; - YouTube The day you understand that we could scale the military back to 1/10 it's size I'll pay attention.. Of course there must be some reasons we have so many enemies since we are such a "nice" country........... And since I'll never have access to a corporate jet I could give a rats backside if they are taxed or not.....but sure seems stupid (since the underlying American principal is anytime money changes hands someone wants a cut, whether they deserve it or not) not to tax it............. The second one is ,at best, kindergarten fiction......... see Japan. I prefer my kindergarten story.............. http://mq.academia.edu/FrankAshe/Papers/132778/Kindergarten_guide_to_Modern_...nomics_-_Day_1 Last edited by jeffkrol; 07-26-2011 at 08:56 PM.

07-26-2011, 08:53 PM	#17
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Guy #1 watches way too much FLAKESnews. Just like them he forgot completely about the result of 8 years of Bush and republican legislation. Not surprising he feels this way. Not to mention a HARD focus on supply side economics since the 12 years we spent under republican legislation under, Reagan/Bush. That makes 20 years of it out of the last 30. The strongest economy during those 30 years was under the guy I'm sure you refer to as Slick Willie. Strange that he didn't remember all that. Strange that he could only remember the name of one republican too. Any questions? #2????????????????????????? The heritage foundation? HA HA HA They helped put us in this mess. They continue to continue it. Who did you say funds them? Strange that guy #1 didn't notice that either. Did you?

07-27-2011, 10:18 AM	#18
Workingdog Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: York, PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 736	Funny, but I thought the speech was extremely tired, lame, and predictable. Speech formula: Blame Bush Blame Republicans Blame the "rich" Threaten elderly Threaten veterans Last resort; quote Ronald Reagan

07-27-2011, 10:25 AM	#19
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Yes, except they ARE the ones who put the world in this position. So, don't admit to how it happened? Any questions?

07-27-2011, 11:01 AM	#20
Workingdog Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: York, PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 736	Originally posted by shooz Yes, except they ARE the ones who put the world in this position. So, don't admit to how it happened? Any questions? And the past several years of Democratic control have not put us even deeper into this mess instead of putting the brakes on the out of control Govt. spending? No, let's just continue what we've been doing and hope for a better outcome. The American taxpayers pockets cannot continue to be viewed as a bottomless source of revenue for the Govt's overspending ways. Instead of sounding like a broken record for the past 3 years, how about some leadership Mr. President.

07-27-2011, 11:24 AM	#21
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by Workingdog And the past several years of Democratic control have not put us even deeper into this mess instead of putting the brakes on the out of control Govt. spending? No, let's just continue what we've been doing and hope for a better outcome. The American taxpayers pockets cannot continue to be viewed as a bottomless source of revenue for the Govt's overspending ways. Instead of sounding like a broken record for the past 3 years, how about some leadership Mr. President. It's hard herding cats.................... WE do have a multiple tier gov...............

07-27-2011, 11:31 AM	#22
Workingdog Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: York, PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 736	Originally posted by jeffkrol It's hard herding cats.................... WE do have a multiple tier gov............... Bingo!!! Both parties s*uck. I happen to agree with the basic ideology of the Republicans (which, unfortunately they don't follow) and I disagree with the basic ideology of the Democrats (which they DO follow)

07-27-2011, 12:37 PM	#23
JohnInIndy Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 794	Originally posted by shooz Guy #1 watches way too much FLAKESnews. Just like them he forgot completely about the result of 8 years of Bush and republican legislation. Not surprising he feels this way. Not to mention a HARD focus on supply side economics since the 12 years we spent under republican legislation under, Reagan/Bush. That makes 20 years of it out of the last 30. The strongest economy during those 30 years was under the guy I'm sure you refer to as Slick Willie. Strange that he didn't remember all that. Strange that he could only remember the name of one republican too. Any questions? #2????????????????????????? The heritage foundation? HA HA HA They helped put us in this mess. They continue to continue it. Who did you say funds them? Strange that guy #1 didn't notice that either. Did you? So in 2006 the house didn't go liberal? And in 2000 the senate liberals the majority by one vote when Jeffords went independent yet caucused with the dems. Or did that not happen? Remember also that the economy was strong during Clinton but we also had a Conservative house not a liberal one as we had last major election. Just shows what a liberal house can destroy when it has a liberal president also. Remember we did have a decent economy after downturn of 9-11. Didn't really go south until liberals took over.

07-27-2011, 12:48 PM	#24
JohnInIndy Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 794	Originally posted by Workingdog And the past several years of Democratic control have not put us even deeper into this mess instead of putting the brakes on the out of control Govt. spending? No, let's just continue what we've been doing and hope for a better outcome. The American taxpayers pockets cannot continue to be viewed as a bottomless source of revenue for the Govt's overspending ways. Instead of sounding like a broken record for the past 3 years, how about some leadership Mr. President. First we would have to explain what that means.

07-27-2011, 12:56 PM	#25
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by JohnInIndy So in 2006 the house didn't go liberal? And in 2000 the senate liberals the majority by one vote when Jeffords went independent yet caucused with the dems. Or did that not happen? Remember also that the economy was strong during Clinton but we also had a Conservative house not a liberal one as we had last major election. Just shows what a liberal house can destroy when it has a liberal president also. Remember we did have a decent economy after downturn of 9-11. Didn't really go south until liberals took over. Please tell me what bills the house of representatives or senate can pass without the president or the other house. I suppose the Dems in the house could have held up the debt ceiling and extracted concessions from the senate and the president at the point of an economic gun, but I don't recall that happening.

07-27-2011, 01:25 PM	#26
newarts Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ames, Iowa, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 2,965	Originally posted by Workingdog And the past several years of Democratic control have not put us even deeper into this mess instead of putting the brakes on the out of control Govt. spending? No, let's just continue what we've been doing and hope for a better outcome. The American taxpayers pockets cannot continue to be viewed as a bottomless source of revenue for the Govt's overspending ways. Instead of sounding like a broken record for the past 3 years, how about some leadership Mr. President. The president has used up a lot of political capital by doing what he promised - trying to work in a bi-partisan manner. At every step of the way the opposition has thwarted that goal. He has gone way beyond the desires of his party in pandering to the opposition when it pretends to cooperate. The opposition's goal has not been to incrementally further their constituent's interests but to hurt the president (and the country) in the short run so they can blame him to gain power in the long run. If only we could rewind the future, I'd like to see him publicly hand the keys to Boehner, stand back, & let him drive with full coverage of the resulting chaos and crash. I'm afraid that any agreement with concessions regarding revenues will be insufficient to ward off a major crash which will then be used by the opposition to claim they were hamstrung by the concessions. Let them choke on their poisoned apple.

07-27-2011, 01:44 PM	#27
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	In that context, a Hillary presidency would have been interesting in a different, but yet the same, way.

07-27-2011, 01:57 PM	#28
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	Liberals in control of either of the house or the White House. Soon you will have Cantor labelled as a ultra socialist or communist. Clinton is a moderate conservative as is Obama. If I am not mistaken Obaman had already given the Republicans concessions of tax cuts for the rich previously and now they only cuts to the budget, I wonder if the next bill that he wants passed will require more cuts to spending and taxes and the next bill more cuts and tax cuts etc. Some think that the government should just let the poor die and the rich get richer. Traditional conservatism did not believe that so throwing all the 'blame' on social safety net on your so called left should not be historically accurate either. Eliminate all social safety net programs and see what happens.

07-27-2011, 02:20 PM	#29
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by redrockcoulee Liberals in control of either of the house or the White House. Soon you will have Cantor labelled as a ultra socialist or communist. Clinton is a moderate conservative as is Obama. If I am not mistaken Obaman had already given the Republicans concessions of tax cuts for the rich previously and now they only cuts to the budget, I wonder if the next bill that he wants passed will require more cuts to spending and taxes and the next bill more cuts and tax cuts etc. Some think that the government should just let the poor die and the rich get richer. Traditional conservatism did not believe that so throwing all the 'blame' on social safety net on your so called left should not be historically accurate either. Eliminate all social safety net programs and see what happens. “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...” Thomas Jefferson "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants". Thomas Jefferson

07-27-2011, 02:57 PM	#30
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	How much did you conteabepublitarians say Haliburton is under contract for? Last I heard a guy doing laundry for the military in Afganistan makes about $80K. How much the average GI? And you bozos want to tax retirees and end SS to pay for it? You expect me to think you're a patriot? I have yet to hear ONE of you demanding blood from the extortionists on wallstreet. Not one of you. You act like.....no big deal just a bunch of trillions. Must be Obama done it. We MUST extract billions from the poor, after all the rich folks won't pay it. FOOLS!!!!!!!