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stevewig · 07-31-2011, 07:53 AM

Well............!

The early morning news is hinting that the Tea Party is going to win a major victory over the Democrats and the Republicans (in my opinion) by achieving everything that the voters sent them to do!

Whether their voters are happy with the results remains to be seen.

shooz · 07-31-2011, 08:18 AM

good bye democracy.........

jeffkrol · 07-31-2011, 08:31 AM

stevewig · 07-31-2011, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by shooz

good bye democracy.........

Yes, regardless of the actual outcome this will be a very real demonstration as to how a small united group is able to take control of a large country (USA) - using the democratic system - and fully achieve its own ends.

The Republican party can assume all credit and point blame at the Tea Party, if and where necessary!

shooz · 07-31-2011, 08:45 AM

Plus they stuck us with the BIGGEST government we've ever had!!!!!!!
Homeland Security!
They just want it smaller for us little people.

shooz · 07-31-2011, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by stevewig

Yes, regardless of the actual outcome this will be a very real demonstration as to how a small united group is able to take control of a large country (USA) - using the democratic system - and fully achieve its own ends.

Corporations already did that.

Teaparty is just one more of their front groups.

gokenin · 07-31-2011, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by shooz

good bye democracy.........

Actually the Tea Part victory is a great victory for democracy a victory of what emotion can do to politiccs if there is not an informed rational thought behind your vote. This is the pinnacle of democracy as you want it, victory of emotion and the mob over though.

shooz · 07-31-2011, 08:56 AM

Mob rule is all I've ever seen the teabaggers do.
They are a corporate front group.

stevewig · 07-31-2011, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by gokenin

Actually the Tea Part victory is a great victory for democracy a victory of what emotion can do to politiccs if there is not an informed rational thought behind your vote. This is the pinnacle of democracy as you want it, victory of emotion and the mob over though.

This is actually a very subtle point.

Reverse the situation, such that an extreme left group of 60-70 socialists, had used the current situation to force a government take over of the oil industry (for example).

Would you be describing this as democracy in action?

shooz · 07-31-2011, 09:24 AM

Well, we would have cheaper gas.
But, that's just conjecture.
Teabaggers ARE a corporate front group.
They are not interested in governance, just chaos.
You should ask yourself why that is?

newarts · 07-31-2011, 09:49 AM

One of the un-named culprits is the Senate Filibuster rule as it enables a minority to dead-lock legislation. Thus the smaller Tea Party lead GOP was able to bring the legislative process to its knees.

I think the biggest culprit in the mess is that media, hence public, opinion is too easily lead by anything repeated loud and often. The quieter voices of economic sanity were drowned out by loud passionate ranting and an unfortunate "Fair and Balanced" reporting by the media whereby idiotic passionate utterance is faithfully reported to an extent based on volume.

Passion outsells ration in the mass marketplace of ideas..

stevewig · 07-31-2011, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by newarts

One of the un-named culprits is the Senate Filibuster rule as it enables a minority to dead-lock legislation. Thus the smaller Tea Party lead GOP was able to bring the legislative process to its knees.

I think the biggest culprit in the mess is that media, hence public, opinion is too easily lead by anything repeated loud and often. The quieter voices of economic sanity were drowned out by loud passionate ranting and an unfortunate "Fair and Balanced" reporting by the media whereby idiotic passionate utterance is faithfully reported to an extent based on volume.

Passion outsells ration in the mass marketplace of ideas..

I absolutely agree with every sentiment and would only stress again that volatile public extremism, fueled by the media, brought the Tea Party into existence and now we await the result of this extremism in the next Presidential race!

newarts · 07-31-2011, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by newarts

One of the un-named culprits is the Senate Filibuster rule as it enables a minority to dead-lock legislation. Thus the smaller Tea Party lead GOP was able to bring the legislative process to its knees. ..

The Senate's progress has again been blocked by a minority of senators (July 31). The Reid Bill was blocked by a net vote of 50 in favor of proceeding to 49.opposed. The Bill itself would pass given the same voting pattern.

sigh... minority rule... (of course I like it when it works for me)

shooz · 07-31-2011, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by newarts

minority rule.

Corporate rule will always be by the minority.

Welcome to the Plutocracy.

newarts · 07-31-2011, 12:33 PM

good audio mmt commentary germane to present US and EU situation:

Go to Conferences & Events | Levy Economics Institute of Bard College Listen to session 5.

07-31-2011, 10:51 AM	#28
newarts Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ames, Iowa, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 2,965	Update-- Originally posted by newarts One of the un-named culprits is the Senate Filibuster rule as it enables a minority to dead-lock legislation. Thus the smaller Tea Party lead GOP was able to bring the legislative process to its knees. .. The Senate's progress has again been blocked by a minority of senators (July 31). The Reid Bill was blocked by a net vote of 50 in favor of proceeding to 49.opposed. The Bill itself would pass given the same voting pattern. sigh... minority rule... (of course I like it when it works for me)

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07-31-2011, 07:53 AM	#16
stevewig Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 773 Original Poster	Well............! The early morning news is hinting that the Tea Party is going to win a major victory over the Democrats and the Republicans (in my opinion) by achieving everything that the voters sent them to do! Whether their voters are happy with the results remains to be seen.

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shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	good bye democracy.........

07-31-2011, 08:31 AM	#18
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434

07-31-2011, 08:40 AM	#19
stevewig Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 773 Original Poster	Originally posted by shooz good bye democracy......... Yes, regardless of the actual outcome this will be a very real demonstration as to how a small united group is able to take control of a large country (USA) - using the democratic system - and fully achieve its own ends. The Republican party can assume all credit and point blame at the Tea Party, if and where necessary!

07-31-2011, 08:45 AM	#20
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Plus they stuck us with the BIGGEST government we've ever had!!!!!!! Homeland Security! They just want it smaller for us little people.

07-31-2011, 08:48 AM	#21
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Originally posted by stevewig Yes, regardless of the actual outcome this will be a very real demonstration as to how a small united group is able to take control of a large country (USA) - using the democratic system - and fully achieve its own ends. Corporations already did that. Teaparty is just one more of their front groups.

07-31-2011, 08:49 AM	#22
gokenin Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lowell,ma Posts: 1,899	Originally posted by shooz good bye democracy......... Actually the Tea Part victory is a great victory for democracy a victory of what emotion can do to politiccs if there is not an informed rational thought behind your vote. This is the pinnacle of democracy as you want it, victory of emotion and the mob over though.

07-31-2011, 08:56 AM	#23
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Mob rule is all I've ever seen the teabaggers do. They are a corporate front group.

07-31-2011, 09:18 AM	#24
stevewig Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 773 Original Poster	Originally posted by gokenin Actually the Tea Part victory is a great victory for democracy a victory of what emotion can do to politiccs if there is not an informed rational thought behind your vote. This is the pinnacle of democracy as you want it, victory of emotion and the mob over though. This is actually a very subtle point. Reverse the situation, such that an extreme left group of 60-70 socialists, had used the current situation to force a government take over of the oil industry (for example). Would you be describing this as democracy in action?

07-31-2011, 09:24 AM	#25
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Well, we would have cheaper gas. But, that's just conjecture. Teabaggers ARE a corporate front group. They are not interested in governance, just chaos. You should ask yourself why that is?

07-31-2011, 09:49 AM	#26
newarts Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ames, Iowa, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 2,965	One of the un-named culprits is the Senate Filibuster rule as it enables a minority to dead-lock legislation. Thus the smaller Tea Party lead GOP was able to bring the legislative process to its knees. I think the biggest culprit in the mess is that media, hence public, opinion is too easily lead by anything repeated loud and often. The quieter voices of economic sanity were drowned out by loud passionate ranting and an unfortunate "Fair and Balanced" reporting by the media whereby idiotic passionate utterance is faithfully reported to an extent based on volume. Passion outsells ration in the mass marketplace of ideas..

07-31-2011, 10:03 AM	#27
stevewig Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 773 Original Poster	Originally posted by newarts One of the un-named culprits is the Senate Filibuster rule as it enables a minority to dead-lock legislation. Thus the smaller Tea Party lead GOP was able to bring the legislative process to its knees. I think the biggest culprit in the mess is that media, hence public, opinion is too easily lead by anything repeated loud and often. The quieter voices of economic sanity were drowned out by loud passionate ranting and an unfortunate "Fair and Balanced" reporting by the media whereby idiotic passionate utterance is faithfully reported to an extent based on volume. Passion outsells ration in the mass marketplace of ideas.. I absolutely agree with every sentiment and would only stress again that volatile public extremism, fueled by the media, brought the Tea Party into existence and now we await the result of this extremism in the next Presidential race!

07-31-2011, 11:03 AM	#29
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Originally posted by newarts minority rule. Corporate rule will always be by the minority. Welcome to the Plutocracy.

07-31-2011, 12:33 PM	#30
newarts Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ames, Iowa, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 2,965	good audio mmt commentary germane to present US and EU situation: Go to Conferences & Events \| Levy Economics Institute of Bard College Listen to session 5.

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