Ron Paul Media Blackout

shooz · 08-16-2011, 11:37 AM

Reagan removed those things.

deadwolfbones · 08-16-2011, 11:53 AM

mike, comparing Romney to Paul, in terms of attempts to win the Presidency, is asinine and you know it.

GeneV · 08-16-2011, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by mikemike

So why is anyone paying attention to Romney?

Why did they pay attention to McCain or Edwards in 2008?

Well, let's see. Could it be because they had actually won some state primaries in the case of Romney and McCain or because they were all second place finishers for a major parties' nominations or, in the case of Edwards, the vice-presidential nominee?

mikemike · 08-16-2011, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

mike, comparing Romney to Paul, in terms of attempts to win the Presidency, is asinine and you know it.

Only billionaire plutocrats get a a do over?

Besides, he has raised more than any other candidate aside from Romney both in the traditional fund raising and pac fund raising. And he has done that in lots of small donations, wouldn't that be a compelling story for the media in the post citizens united era?

shooz · 08-16-2011, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by mikemike

Only billionaire plutocrats get a a do over?

That's the libertarian way mike.
Make up your mind.

Nesster · 08-16-2011, 02:14 PM

it appears to me that the so-called liberal main stream media, in the case of the Republicans, is doing nothing more than repeating the Republican message. The race handicapping coincides with what the handlers want to put out there. The media is falling all over itself saying the same things about the same candidates.

Where the MSM becomes the enemy rather than the megaphone, is when the media persists on asking difficult questions of all candidates. Suddenly there's the liberal bias again!

So what happens, the actual choices we are fed have more to do with packaging and personality than ability and philosophy. We are given three flavors and two sizes of the standard Republican, and have a difficult time in telling their policies apart. (Same thing with Obama and Clinton - the two didn't have much daylight between them when it came to policy.)

It would be a service to the country if someone like Ron Paul received the respect - and legitimacy - these wing nuts get. There might even be some substantive discussion.

but nah.

GeneV · 08-17-2011, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

it appears to me that the so-called liberal main stream media, in the case of the Republicans, is doing nothing more than repeating the Republican message. The race handicapping coincides with what the handlers want to put out there. The media is falling all over itself saying the same things about the same candidates.

So, is Bachmann the same old candidate? It seems to me that she is further out there than Ron Paul on some things, but she is new and is the right wing flavor of the month.

redrockcoulee · 08-17-2011, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Nesster

it appears to me that the so-called liberal main stream media, in the case of the Republicans, is doing nothing more than repeating the Republican message. The race handicapping coincides with what the handlers want to put out there. The media is falling all over itself saying the same things about the same candidates.

Where the MSM becomes the enemy rather than the megaphone, is when the media persists on asking difficult questions of all candidates. Suddenly there's the liberal bias again!

So what happens, the actual choices we are fed have more to do with packaging and personality than ability and philosophy. We are given three flavors and two sizes of the standard Republican, and have a difficult time in telling their policies apart. (Same thing with Obama and Clinton - the two didn't have much daylight between them when it came to policy.)

It would be a service to the country if someone like Ron Paul received the respect - and legitimacy - these wing nuts get. There might even be some substantive discussion.

but nah.

We all saw the flap that occurred the last presidental election when Sarah Palin was asked some rather soft questions that became 'gotca questions'. Did Pawenty (not sure of his spelling) get much coverage? Would some one like Cain get any if he did not spout some pretty weird statements?

For the media to ask tough questions they should follow the steps of David Frum's mother, she regularly nailed politicians. But then she worked for the public broadcaster in Canada. I have not been watching PBS lately but they seemed to cover Ron Paul last time as a serious (in views but perhaps not in chances). Could the lack of coverage be the media outlets you are looking at?

shooz · 08-17-2011, 09:39 AM

Paul's not wacky enough for FLAKESnews.

Nesster · 08-17-2011, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by redrockcoulee

Could the lack of coverage be the media outlets you are looking at?

The only coverage of Paul coming in second by a couple of hundred votes in the straw poll was in stories noting how his name wasn't mentioned by any outlets as almost beating out Bachman, or as having any significance in the Republican race. This was Fox as well as the others. Stewart did a great skewering of this, it's worth it to click on the link above somewhere.

Stewart also was the only one, afaik, who pointed out that voting in the straw poll cost money. Bachman was handing out free ballots - her campaign bought a ton - so people would vote for her. As Jon said, the amazing thing is that Bachman got 80% of the votes she paid for.

magkelly · 08-17-2011, 03:26 PM

Actually I've seen 3 news stories devoted to Paul and the 2012 elections in the past week. He's not as invisible as all that. Whether or not he could actually get elected is another matter entirely.

shooz · 08-19-2011, 10:30 AM

How about this op-ed on Mr. Paul?
It would work for his son too.

Is Ron Paul A White Supremacist? Absolutely! | Addicting Info

mikemike · 08-19-2011, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by shooz

How about this op-ed on Mr. Paul?
It would work for his son too.

Is Ron Paul A White Supremacist? Absolutely! | Addicting Info

Wow, if this is where you get your news from, then you have no reason to call fox flakey.

This website makes Glenn Beck look like Walter Chronkite.

shooz · 08-19-2011, 01:59 PM

It's just an op-ed, you use them too.
Are you saying such groups don't support him?
They do you know.

GeneV · 08-19-2011, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by mikemike

Wow, if this is where you get your news from, then you have no reason to call fox flakey.

This website makes Glenn Beck look like Walter Chronkite.

Which facts (not conclusions) did the author misstate?

I don't maintain he is or isn't racist, but Google "Ron Paul racist" and you get more entries than you have time to read, and many of them come from conservative sources. His strong opposition to laws prohibiting racial discrimination is not helpful.

08-19-2011, 02:54 PM	#30
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by mikemike Wow, if this is where you get your news from, then you have no reason to call fox flakey. This website makes Glenn Beck look like Walter Chronkite. Which facts (not conclusions) did the author misstate? I don't maintain he is or isn't racist, but Google "Ron Paul racist" and you get more entries than you have time to read, and many of them come from conservative sources. His strong opposition to laws prohibiting racial discrimination is not helpful. Last edited by GeneV; 08-19-2011 at 03:00 PM.

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08-16-2011, 11:37 AM	#16
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Reagan removed those things.

08-16-2011, 11:53 AM	#17
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	mike, comparing Romney to Paul, in terms of attempts to win the Presidency, is asinine and you know it.

08-16-2011, 12:02 PM	#18
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by mikemike So why is anyone paying attention to Romney? Why did they pay attention to McCain or Edwards in 2008? Well, let's see. Could it be because they had actually won some state primaries in the case of Romney and McCain or because they were all second place finishers for a major parties' nominations or, in the case of Edwards, the vice-presidential nominee?

08-16-2011, 01:33 PM	#19
mikemike Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,053 Original Poster	Originally posted by deadwolfbones mike, comparing Romney to Paul, in terms of attempts to win the Presidency, is asinine and you know it. Only billionaire plutocrats get a a do over? Besides, he has raised more than any other candidate aside from Romney both in the traditional fund raising and pac fund raising. And he has done that in lots of small donations, wouldn't that be a compelling story for the media in the post citizens united era?

08-16-2011, 02:08 PM	#20
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Originally posted by mikemike Only billionaire plutocrats get a a do over? That's the libertarian way mike. Make up your mind.

08-16-2011, 02:14 PM	#21
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	it appears to me that the so-called liberal main stream media, in the case of the Republicans, is doing nothing more than repeating the Republican message. The race handicapping coincides with what the handlers want to put out there. The media is falling all over itself saying the same things about the same candidates. Where the MSM becomes the enemy rather than the megaphone, is when the media persists on asking difficult questions of all candidates. Suddenly there's the liberal bias again! So what happens, the actual choices we are fed have more to do with packaging and personality than ability and philosophy. We are given three flavors and two sizes of the standard Republican, and have a difficult time in telling their policies apart. (Same thing with Obama and Clinton - the two didn't have much daylight between them when it came to policy.) It would be a service to the country if someone like Ron Paul received the respect - and legitimacy - these wing nuts get. There might even be some substantive discussion. but nah.

08-17-2011, 07:13 AM	#22
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by Nesster it appears to me that the so-called liberal main stream media, in the case of the Republicans, is doing nothing more than repeating the Republican message. The race handicapping coincides with what the handlers want to put out there. The media is falling all over itself saying the same things about the same candidates. So, is Bachmann the same old candidate? It seems to me that she is further out there than Ron Paul on some things, but she is new and is the right wing flavor of the month.

08-17-2011, 09:20 AM	#23
redrockcoulee Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Medicine Hat Posts: 2,306	Originally posted by Nesster it appears to me that the so-called liberal main stream media, in the case of the Republicans, is doing nothing more than repeating the Republican message. The race handicapping coincides with what the handlers want to put out there. The media is falling all over itself saying the same things about the same candidates. Where the MSM becomes the enemy rather than the megaphone, is when the media persists on asking difficult questions of all candidates. Suddenly there's the liberal bias again! So what happens, the actual choices we are fed have more to do with packaging and personality than ability and philosophy. We are given three flavors and two sizes of the standard Republican, and have a difficult time in telling their policies apart. (Same thing with Obama and Clinton - the two didn't have much daylight between them when it came to policy.) It would be a service to the country if someone like Ron Paul received the respect - and legitimacy - these wing nuts get. There might even be some substantive discussion. but nah. We all saw the flap that occurred the last presidental election when Sarah Palin was asked some rather soft questions that became 'gotca questions'. Did Pawenty (not sure of his spelling) get much coverage? Would some one like Cain get any if he did not spout some pretty weird statements? For the media to ask tough questions they should follow the steps of David Frum's mother, she regularly nailed politicians. But then she worked for the public broadcaster in Canada. I have not been watching PBS lately but they seemed to cover Ron Paul last time as a serious (in views but perhaps not in chances). Could the lack of coverage be the media outlets you are looking at?

08-17-2011, 09:39 AM	#24
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	Paul's not wacky enough for FLAKESnews.

08-17-2011, 10:45 AM	#25
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by redrockcoulee Could the lack of coverage be the media outlets you are looking at? The only coverage of Paul coming in second by a couple of hundred votes in the straw poll was in stories noting how his name wasn't mentioned by any outlets as almost beating out Bachman, or as having any significance in the Republican race. This was Fox as well as the others. Stewart did a great skewering of this, it's worth it to click on the link above somewhere. Stewart also was the only one, afaik, who pointed out that voting in the straw poll cost money. Bachman was handing out free ballots - her campaign bought a ton - so people would vote for her. As Jon said, the amazing thing is that Bachman got 80% of the votes she paid for.

08-17-2011, 03:26 PM	#26
magkelly Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,901	Actually I've seen 3 news stories devoted to Paul and the 2012 elections in the past week. He's not as invisible as all that. Whether or not he could actually get elected is another matter entirely.

08-19-2011, 10:30 AM	#27
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	How about this op-ed on Mr. Paul? It would work for his son too. Is Ron Paul A White Supremacist? Absolutely! \| Addicting Info

08-19-2011, 01:23 PM	#28
mikemike Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,053 Original Poster	Originally posted by shooz How about this op-ed on Mr. Paul? It would work for his son too. Is Ron Paul A White Supremacist? Absolutely! \| Addicting Info Wow, if this is where you get your news from, then you have no reason to call fox flakey. This website makes Glenn Beck look like Walter Chronkite.

08-19-2011, 01:59 PM	#29
shooz Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Detroit Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,491	It's just an op-ed, you use them too. Are you saying such groups don't support him? They do you know.