High heat no ice

**boriscleto** · 09-08-2011, 07:43 PM

Global Warming is obviously just a myth.

NOAA: U.S. experiences second warmest summer on record

Daily Kos: eSci: Record Low Arctic Sea Ice Volume & Area Hit, Methane Found in Ice Free Area

Adam · 09-08-2011, 08:01 PM

Yeah because Europe experienced one of the rainiest summers this year

Jodokast96 · 09-08-2011, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Adam

Yeah because Europe experienced one of the rainiest summers this year

Actually, I've been saying something like that for years. One day maybe I'll take the time to research it. But it really seems that the climate is just shifting east. Hell, we had record setting rainfall here before Hurricane Irene blew into town, and it's still freaking raining.

**RichardS** · 09-09-2011, 01:23 AM

... and the warmest was in 1936, so it's obviously been cooling since then.

Richard.

**boriscleto** · 09-09-2011, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by RichardS

... and the warmest was in 1936, so it's obviously been cooling since then.

Richard.

1934 actually.

1934 is the hottest year on record

What caused early 20th Century warming?

Comparing past climate change to recent global warming

Arctic was warmer in 1940

How does the Medieval Warm Period compare to current global temperatures?

Did global warming stop in 1998?

2009-2010 winter saw record cold spells

Did global warming stop in <strike>1998</strike>, <strike>1995</strike>, <strike>2002</strike>, <strike>2007</strike>, 2010?

Does record snowfall disprove global warming?

Record high snow cover was set in winter 2008/2009

Chex · 09-09-2011, 08:24 AM

I find that up here in western Canada, the UV index is very high.. usually by this time of year it's getting to be time for long sleeved shirts outside of noon to 4pm. But this I was in shorts and a light button up shirt outside until 8pm when the sun finally went down. I think just the measurements of the ice caps receding and being lost should have been enough for people to remove heads from their butts.. but unfortunately money drives the world... right into its end at this rate. You would think that places like New Orleans and the Netherlands and other places that are right at, or below sea level would be pushing more for the studies and trying to get people's attention to whats going on... because it's those places that will be effected first. I think that the general trend is warming, but we get more violent swings between the seasons now.. snowier winters and hotter summers.. flooding from the fast hike in late spring heat is going to be more common in places that never used to flood.. I guess just grab your SPF 200 and water wings and keep on keepin' on...

RioRico · 09-09-2011, 10:02 AM

Anything I say about deniers would be political, so I won't say it.

Wheatfield · 09-09-2011, 04:41 PM

What we are seeing though, seems to be more violent weather happening more often. A warming atmosphere has more energy in it, and so when it dissipates, it does it with more force.
You people on the east coast of the USA are getting hints of it, wait a few years and see what a hurricane feels like.

reeftool · 09-09-2011, 04:49 PM

Despite the cold winter last year, large amounts of polar ice are still melting along with fears of rising sea levels. There is enough statistical evidence that the earth is gradually warming. The big political issue is whether this is man made or happening naturally. Personally, I think this is happening as part of a natural cycle which we have no control over and had better plan for dealing with the eventual consequences instead of building false hope in electric cars. Liberals think we can stop it, conservatives don't believe it's happening. Both have their heads in the sand, just different holes.

**boriscleto** · 09-09-2011, 05:21 PM

What does past climate change tell us about global warming?

Solar activity & climate: is the sun causing global warming?

Could cosmic rays be causing global warming?

It's a 1500 year cycle

How do human CO2 emissions compare to natural CO2 emissions?

Greenland used to be green

Global warming and the El Niño Southern Oscillation

It's a natural cycle

The human fingerprint in global warming

Do volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans?

What does Solar Cycle Length tell us about the sun's role in global warming?

CO2 is not the only driver of climate

CO2 limits will make little difference

Are humans too insignificant to affect global climate?

Global warming vs climate change

It's a climate regime shift

Can we fix global warming?

Do solar cycles cause global warming?

What's causing Arctic amplification?

An exponential increase in CO2 will result in a linear increase in temperature

Renewable energy investment kills jobs

CO2 increase is natural, not human-caused

Removing all CO2 would make little difference

Mike Cash · 09-10-2011, 10:10 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RioRico

Anything I say about deniers would be political, so I won't say it.

I predict that there will come a day when the meaning of "global warming denier" does a 180 degree turn and comes to mean people who fervently deny they ever bought into the fraud to begin with.

subeeds · 09-12-2011, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by Adam

Yeah because Europe experienced one of the rainiest summers this year

And here in the South-both Southeast and Southwest-we have been in severe to extreme drought for the last 3 years. Not to mention having one of the coldest winters on record last year.

**boriscleto** · 09-29-2011, 07:41 PM

Daily Kos: eSci: Half of Canada's Ice Sheets Lost in the Past 6 Years

**RichardS** · 09-30-2011, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

1934 actually.

No. 1936. The OP referred to the second warmest summer in the US, not the hottest year on record. If you follow the link, you'll find this in the text "The warmest August on record for the contiguous United States was 75.8 degrees F in 1983, while its warmest summer on record at 74.6 degrees F occurred in 1936."

In any case, it's just weather. And linking to a whole bunch of pages from a very dodgy website doesn't prove anything. Some thing we do know:

The climate is changing. It's been changing for millions, if not billions, of years.
We've been coming out of a mini ice age for a couple of hundred years, so there's a general trend towards increased temps. It's gone up by around .8C in the last 150 years.
The climate has cooled a bit since 1997. That's nothing unusual.
Computer models are not empirical evidence.
Science is never settled.

Richard.

**RichardS** · 09-30-2011, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by Mike Cash

I predict that there will come a day when the meaning of "global warming denier" does a 180 degree turn and comes to mean people who fervently deny they ever bought into the fraud to begin with.

They are already in denial

In their world it's proof of global warming if today is warmer than yesterday. To suggest that it's cooler today than yesterday should therefore be proof that the climate is cooling is usually met with abuse.

If you look back at the history of the use of "denier" in the climate 'science' scam, you'll find that it was deliberately used to try to link scientists sceptical of the apocalyptic claims of the alarmists to holaucaust deniers. It was and is a deliberate smear and a vile libel.

Richard.

09-08-2011, 07:43 PM	#1
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09-08-2011, 08:32 PM	#3
Jodokast96 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Erial, NJ USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,134	Originally posted by Adam Yeah because Europe experienced one of the rainiest summers this year Actually, I've been saying something like that for years. One day maybe I'll take the time to research it. But it really seems that the climate is just shifting east. Hell, we had record setting rainfall here before Hurricane Irene blew into town, and it's still freaking raining.

09-09-2011, 01:23 AM	#4
RichardS Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nelson Bay, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,418	... and the warmest was in 1936, so it's obviously been cooling since then. Richard.

09-09-2011, 05:16 AM	#5
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475 Original Poster	Originally posted by RichardS ... and the warmest was in 1936, so it's obviously been cooling since then. Richard. 1934 actually. 1934 is the hottest year on record What caused early 20th Century warming? Comparing past climate change to recent global warming Arctic was warmer in 1940 How does the Medieval Warm Period compare to current global temperatures? Did global warming stop in 1998? 2009-2010 winter saw record cold spells Did global warming stop in <strike>1998</strike>, <strike>1995</strike>, <strike>2002</strike>, <strike>2007</strike>, 2010? Does record snowfall disprove global warming? Record high snow cover was set in winter 2008/2009

09-09-2011, 08:24 AM	#6
Chex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The 'Stoke, British Columbia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,678	I find that up here in western Canada, the UV index is very high.. usually by this time of year it's getting to be time for long sleeved shirts outside of noon to 4pm. But this I was in shorts and a light button up shirt outside until 8pm when the sun finally went down. I think just the measurements of the ice caps receding and being lost should have been enough for people to remove heads from their butts.. but unfortunately money drives the world... right into its end at this rate. You would think that places like New Orleans and the Netherlands and other places that are right at, or below sea level would be pushing more for the studies and trying to get people's attention to whats going on... because it's those places that will be effected first. I think that the general trend is warming, but we get more violent swings between the seasons now.. snowier winters and hotter summers.. flooding from the fast hike in late spring heat is going to be more common in places that never used to flood.. I guess just grab your SPF 200 and water wings and keep on keepin' on...

09-09-2011, 10:02 AM	#7
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Anything I say about deniers would be political, so I won't say it.

09-09-2011, 04:41 PM	#8
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	What we are seeing though, seems to be more violent weather happening more often. A warming atmosphere has more energy in it, and so when it dissipates, it does it with more force. You people on the east coast of the USA are getting hints of it, wait a few years and see what a hurricane feels like.

09-09-2011, 04:49 PM	#9
reeftool Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Upstate New York Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,554	Despite the cold winter last year, large amounts of polar ice are still melting along with fears of rising sea levels. There is enough statistical evidence that the earth is gradually warming. The big political issue is whether this is man made or happening naturally. Personally, I think this is happening as part of a natural cycle which we have no control over and had better plan for dealing with the eventual consequences instead of building false hope in electric cars. Liberals think we can stop it, conservatives don't believe it's happening. Both have their heads in the sand, just different holes.

09-09-2011, 05:21 PM	#10
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475 Original Poster	What does past climate change tell us about global warming? Solar activity & climate: is the sun causing global warming? Could cosmic rays be causing global warming? It's a 1500 year cycle How do human CO2 emissions compare to natural CO2 emissions? Greenland used to be green Global warming and the El Niño Southern Oscillation It's a natural cycle The human fingerprint in global warming Do volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans? What does Solar Cycle Length tell us about the sun's role in global warming? CO2 is not the only driver of climate CO2 limits will make little difference Are humans too insignificant to affect global climate? Global warming vs climate change It's a climate regime shift Can we fix global warming? Do solar cycles cause global warming? What's causing Arctic amplification? An exponential increase in CO2 will result in a linear increase in temperature Renewable energy investment kills jobs CO2 increase is natural, not human-caused Removing all CO2 would make little difference

09-10-2011, 10:10 PM - 1 Like	#11
Mike Cash Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,950	Originally posted by RioRico Anything I say about deniers would be political, so I won't say it. I predict that there will come a day when the meaning of "global warming denier" does a 180 degree turn and comes to mean people who fervently deny they ever bought into the fraud to begin with.

09-12-2011, 04:10 AM	#12
subeeds Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camden County, Ga. Photos: Gallery Posts: 333	Originally posted by Adam Yeah because Europe experienced one of the rainiest summers this year And here in the South-both Southeast and Southwest-we have been in severe to extreme drought for the last 3 years. Not to mention having one of the coldest winters on record last year.

09-29-2011, 07:41 PM	#13
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475 Original Poster	Daily Kos: eSci: Half of Canada's Ice Sheets Lost in the Past 6 Years

09-30-2011, 01:23 AM	#14
RichardS Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nelson Bay, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,418	Originally posted by boriscleto 1934 actually. No. 1936. The OP referred to the second warmest summer in the US, not the hottest year on record. If you follow the link, you'll find this in the text "The warmest August on record for the contiguous United States was 75.8 degrees F in 1983, while its warmest summer on record at 74.6 degrees F occurred in 1936." In any case, it's just weather. And linking to a whole bunch of pages from a very dodgy website doesn't prove anything. Some thing we do know: The climate is changing. It's been changing for millions, if not billions, of years. We've been coming out of a mini ice age for a couple of hundred years, so there's a general trend towards increased temps. It's gone up by around .8C in the last 150 years. The climate has cooled a bit since 1997. That's nothing unusual. Computer models are not empirical evidence. Science is never settled. Richard.

09-30-2011, 01:34 AM	#15
RichardS Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nelson Bay, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,418	Originally posted by Mike Cash I predict that there will come a day when the meaning of "global warming denier" does a 180 degree turn and comes to mean people who fervently deny they ever bought into the fraud to begin with. They are already in denial In their world it's proof of global warming if today is warmer than yesterday. To suggest that it's cooler today than yesterday should therefore be proof that the climate is cooling is usually met with abuse. If you look back at the history of the use of "denier" in the climate 'science' scam, you'll find that it was deliberately used to try to link scientists sceptical of the apocalyptic claims of the alarmists to holaucaust deniers. It was and is a deliberate smear and a vile libel. Richard.