[shooz]

Not a huge fan of Bush, but a fan none the less?

How is it you missed the simple fact that for profit heath care is a sorry failure, for the people that need the care?
How is it that you missed the part where the republicans have been filibuster happy?
The main problem with Obama is the republicans have forced him to continue many Bush policies.
That's the main reason the country is slow in turning around.
A true independent would have noticed that.
Ask Bernie Sanders.
He noticed.

Besides, whatever you think of him, Obama and Biden are not "the enemy". Never were, never will be.
As much as I hated him, I NEVER considered Bush the enemy.
You wonder what's wrong, yet accept this kind of talk?

Bocephus lost my respect with that remark, even without the Hitler comment.

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Last edited by shooz; 10-04-2011 at 10:40 PM.

[jeffkrol]

I do agree that He is like Hitler in some ways. Like I believe he would like to be totally in charge of the US. Like Hitler was Germany. Or the tzars of Russia. He also believes that the Government should run our lives. That they can decide our fates and welfare better than we simpletons can

Sad......... where were you when Cheney made himself above the law........IF anyone can be compared to a modern day "dictator" it was him...
Dick Cheney says Dick Cheney is above the law (Update) | The Ross Report | an SFGate.com blog

This is how ABC News reports it:

Vice President Dick Cheney has asserted his office is not a part of the executive branch of the U.S. government, and therefore not bound by a presidential order governing the protection of classified information by government agencies, according to a new letter from Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., to Cheney. [The letter and other documents at the Waxman link.]
Bill Leonard, head of the government’s Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO), told Waxman’s staff that Cheney’s office has refused to provide his staff with details regarding classified documents or submit to a routine inspection as required by presidential order, according to Waxman.
Oh, and perhaps because of the sheer gall of the ISOO, Cheney wants to eliminate said office. According to AP:
House Democrats on Thursday denounced Vice President Dick Cheney’s idea of abolishing a government office charged with safeguarding national security information.
Cheney’s response?
Megan McGinn, a spokeswoman for the vice president, said Cheney’s office was not breaking the law, but did not elaborate.
Good enough. Case closed.

IF the right is really worried about Obama overstepping the boundaries it is because they themselves REMOVED said boundaries, and are in no particular hurry to change that lest they again get in power.........

Finally there's the question of whether Cheney is trying to make a broader point here. The vice president, along with his longtime legal adviser David S. Addington, are widely viewed as the guiding forces behind the Bush administration's expansion of executive power, in an attempt to roll back post-Watergate limits on the presidency. (See, for instance, my June 6, 2006, column.) Cheney is also hands-down the most powerful vice president in history. So wouldn't it be in character for him and his top aides to maneuver to establish the vice presidency as a uniquely powerful and unconstrained force?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/06/22/BL2007062201022_2.html

Of course you can always blame the "fog of war"..........

"Gordon Silverstein, a constitutional scholar at UC Berkeley, said Cheney's claims were all the more noteworthy given his repeated assertions of executive privilege, based on his senior position within the Bush administration, as a reason why he has not had to testify before Congress or provide lawmakers with information on such national security issues as torture, interrogation and CIA renditions of terrorists.

"'Here's a guy who raises 'executive privilege' to historic levels to exempt himself from all rules and oversight, and now he says he's not part of the executive branch?' said Silverstein. 'Here we have a subordinate part of the executive branch asserting independent constitutional authority even against its own superior. It is flabbergasting.'"

Meyer notes that Cheney's position is laid out in the 2004 edition of an annual government directory of senior officials known as the Plum Book, which lists politically appointed positions across the executive branch, with a notable exception: "The vice presidency is a unique office that is neither a part of the executive branch nor a part of the legislative branch, but is attached by the Constitution to the latter. The vice presidency performs functions in both the legislative branch . . . and in the executive branch."

Scott Shane writes in the New York Times: "The dispute is far from the first to pit Mr. Cheney and Mr. Addington against outsiders seeking information, usually members of Congress or advocacy groups. Their position is generally based on strong assertions of presidential power and the importance of confidentiality, which Mr. Cheney has often argued was eroded by post-Watergate laws and the prying press. . . .

"In the tradition of Washington's semantic dust-ups, this one might be described as a fight over what an 'entity' is. The executive order, last updated in 2003 and currently under revision, states that it applies to any 'entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information.'

"J. William Leonard, director of the oversight office, has argued in a series of letters to Mr. Addington that the vice president's office is indeed such an entity. He noted that previous vice presidents had complied with the request for data on documents classified and declassified, and that Mr. Cheney did so in 2001 and 2002.

"But starting in 2003, the vice president's office began refusing to supply the information. In 2004, it blocked an on-site inspection by Mr. Leonard's office that was routinely carried out across the government to check whether documents were being properly labeled and safely stored."

William Douglas writes for McClatchy Newspapers: "The skirmish is the latest in a long battle between Congress and the Bush White House -- particularly Cheney's office -- over the administration's campaign to expand the powers of the executive branch and increase the amount of information labeled as classified."

[Jasvox]

Another drunk, drug wasted redneck with an opinion...regardless of whom his father was or the 2-3 songs he had hits with 25 years ago. Nowadays he seems more like a "where is he now" than just your typical drunk, drug-wasted redneck with an opinion as there seem to be plenty of those around.

Does MNF still use his obnoxious "Are you ready for some footballllll" song for their opening?

Another fine example of a person who is in the spotlight/media/politico for some tragically asinine reason.

Jason

[Wheatfield]

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I never said He was totally like Hitler. I did say they had some of the same beliefs.

Do you like German Shepherd dogs? If you do, then you share some beliefs with Hitler.
Does this make you a Jew burning Nazi?
I could go on, but I hope you get my point. Sharing some mundane and trivial belief with a monster does not a monster make.

[GeneV]

As for my feelings of Obama we cant get him out of office fast enough. I am independent not R or D. I judge him on what he has done or not done and not led blindly by what he says, for often they are total opposites. Was not a huge fan of GWB either
I have to go now it has been real But 4:30 comes early

This is really the point, because everything you have written seems more about "feelings" than "fact." President Bush said (jokingly) that he would like to be dictator. Where is the statement from President Obama? Broad statements like "He also believes that the Government should run our lives. That they can decide our fates and welfare better than we simpletons can." When did he say this? He didn't, nor anything like it. You seem to take this to heart as a matter of faith.

We need different views to make democracy work. The actual difference between views in this country is pretty small compared to other countries. We will never get to a point where people of different views work together and accomplish something until we get past emotions and prejudgments, and talk about facts and solutions.

[redrockcoulee]

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I have seen absolutely no signs that he has tried to compromise with anyone outside his own party other than when he absolutely had to ,to get his ideas passed as in Obama care In his mind Gov is smarter than normal citizens.
I did have to study Hitler in school.I never said He was totally like Hitler. I did say they had some of the same beliefs. Not that they believed ever thing the same. I am sure Obama does not believe in the supreme Arian race. Not to sure about his stance on Jews at this point.
I also recommend you go back and see the entire interview with Hank. He said that he was using the most outlandish example he could to make a point about how absurd the pairing up was for the golf game. That was aired on the TV as I was typing this. . If not trying to make a point about someone by picking and choosing or trying to find something by not using all the statement is dumb Then I must be. I would rather be that than guilty of convicting a person of something using pieces of interviews or things said and taken out of context Then trying to make it mean what I want rather than what they meant.
As for my feelings of Obama we cant get him out of office fast enough. I am independent not R or D. I judge him on what he has done or not done and not led blindly by what he says, for often they are total opposites. Was not a huge fan of GWB either
I have to go now it has been real But 4:30 comes early

Patrick

Health care a total compromise, he dropped the public option, accepted all sorts of ammendments from some moderate Republicans and they still voted against it. His party was opposed to dropping the public option and for many of the changes he brougth in to applease the GOP.

Extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich. Democrats did not want to do it and the Republicans did . Guess what happened, tax cuts for the rich. How about reigning in the bank regulations again a compromise with the GOP.

The trouble with compromise in the current US situation is the GOP says they want to compromise but their definition of compromise is they write the bills and the Democrats vote for them.

If you have not seen any sign of compromise from your President either you pay not attention to the facts or you subsribe to the GOP's definition.

Can you list a couple of the same beliefs that Hitler and Obama share? Remember that Nazis were extreme right wing ultra nationalists, expansionists and trambled all forms of human rights taking them away from not only the Jews but also the socialists, the unions, the communists and I beleive the gays.